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Some times people claim they have more hp than other, even though the cars are fully tuned and fully broken in. This specific number have been mentioned some times, for example 725 vs 736 regarding the Supra RZ, or 868 vs 880 regarding the Nissan GTR Spec V. The answer is simple, it has to do with which language the game is played on, and which units that are used.

I tried to switch to french language instead of english, and the units changed from bhp to ch, which is a french unit for hp, but slightly different.

So 725 hp is 736 ch, and 867 is 880 ch.

Simple, now we know for sure, there are no magic hp gains :)
 
Also there's the physical factor of cars that are broken in and with maintenance updated having more HP then a brand new car that hasn't had an oil change yet or an old one that's long overdue for a rebuild.
 
Purely mileage. Cars increase as they run in and then slowly decrease as they aquire miles, check your BHP/mileage on both after oil changes.
 
I just recently noticed how big a difference engine break-in can make. Two of the same car (new and restored) can differ by 20pp just because one of them broke in their engine. I was amazed.
 
I have 24 Veyron's, all with 0 miles/0 switches/0 mods.

All have the following specs: 736kW/1249Nm/638PP

Exept one: 715Kw/1212Nm/633PP

I think I've bought the one in the OCD & PD is messing around with the specs. Or something is buggy here. :crazy:
 
The OCD ones arent broken in - the ones from the UCD are..
i.e. if you put 300kms on the 715 one it would match the 736 ones :P
 
Corpsey
The OCD ones arent broken in - the ones from the UCD are..
i.e. if you put 300kms on the 715 one it would match the 736 ones :P
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Yes, i know about the milage and engine brake in, but this wasnt the case. Its simply what units you use. The Supra RZ will never get more than 725 hp what so ever, no matter which magic tricks you use, and the Spec V will only get 867 no matter what. Engine brake in is easy on 0 mile cars, just buy the car, put on all parts, drive 80 laps around daytona, then rebuild engine. Now you have full hp.

Try changing to french language, you will see that the cars get different (higher) number, but instead of hp, the units are "ch". This maybe the case of other languages as well. But the pp are still the same.
 
I was answering ZeGerman - I understand the thread because the answer is in the main post............................................................................
 
Hi, I've the exact same car, twice, (don't recall the one now, but a standard car, the ones that where on sale two weeks ago in OCD, the oldies) the two cars, bolt have 0 miles/km, never changed into one of those, never upgraded, and they bolt have different HP.

What I've noticed, was, that the car that was bought the last, always have more power.
 
PPaulino
Hi, I've the exact same car, twice, (don't recall the one now, but a standard car, the ones that where on sale two weeks ago in OCD, the oldies) the two cars, bolt have 0 miles/km, never changed into one of those, never upgraded, and they bolt have different HP.

What I've noticed, was, that the car that was bought the last, always have more power.
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Yes, but the question is, if you brake in them exactly the same, and tune them with the same parts, would it still be a differance?
 
Well, I bought the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rally Car '85 from the OCD last week. 10 minutes ago I got exactly the same car with a 1985 birthday ticket. Both were 0/0/0, did an oil change on both. The first one I bought from the OCD is 367CH/526PP, and the one I got from the birthday ticket is 356CH/521PP. I don't get it.. I don't see why they would become equal later after break-in, since they're both in the exact same state right now.
 
gauth
Well, I bought the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rally Car '85 from the OCD last week. 10 minutes ago I got exactly the same car with a 1985 birthday ticket. Both were 0/0/0, did an oil change on both. The first one I bought from the OCD is 367CH/526PP, and the one I got from the birthday ticket is 356CH/521PP. I don't get it.. I don't see why they would become equal later after break-in, since they're both in the exact same state right now.
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Cars from the OCD are broken in, with 0 miles. Its weird, but they are.

Cars from tickets and prize cars come with 0 miles, and require 200 miles to be broken in

So drive your ticket car to 200 miles, change the oil and rebuild, and it will have 367 like your OCD one
 
seanneedscar
Cars from the OCD are broken in, with 0 miles. Its weird, but they are.

Cars from tickets and prize cars come with 0 miles, and require 200 miles to be broken in

So drive your ticket car to 200 miles, change the oil and rebuild, and it will have 367 like your OCD one
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Thanks for the info! And just to clear up some facts for myself, how long (in miles) will a broken-in car will stay in its peak HP before starting to lose some? My x2010 is now 12,000 miles and is at 1575CH/971PP. Does it stay longer in its peak if I perform rebuilds more often or something?

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just seen the answer for the longevity of the break-in period in this very topic, sorry. But still, do engine rebuilds actually slow down the coming of permanent loss?
 
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gauth
Thanks for the info! And just to clear up some facts for myself, how long (in miles) will a broken-in car will stay in its peak HP before starting to lose some? My x2010 is now 12,000 miles and is at 1575CH/971PP. Does it stay longer in its peak if I perform rebuilds more often or something?

EDIT: Nevermind, I've just seen the answer for the longevity of the break-in period in this very topic, sorry. But still, do engine rebuilds actually slow down the coming of permanent loss?
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There is a lot of speculation as to when permanent HP loss occurs. I for one dont know. I know for sure its more than 11,000 miles. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say 15-20k

Also, I do not believe at this time that engine rebuilds and changing of oil have anything to do with the onset of permanent hp loss. For now, its strictly amount of miles

But its dumb to intentionally go without rebuilds. After a long day of online racing my car will have lost atleast 5 hp. You need constant rebuilds to be competitive
 
seanneedscar
There is a lot of speculation as to when permanent HP loss occurs. I for one dont know. I know for sure its more than 11,000 miles. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say 15-20k

Also, I do not believe at this time that engine rebuilds and changing of oil have anything to do with the onset of permanent hp loss. For now, its strictly amount of miles

But its dumb to intentionally go without rebuilds. After a long day of online racing my car will have lost atleast 5 hp. You need constant rebuilds to be competitive
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I agree that there's a lot of speculation, not just on this. There's just too many threads for the same subjects, and too many people commenting in those threads without actually knowing exactly what they're talking about. Everyone seems to come out with different specs and theories, and in the end you're left with only one answer: try by yourself and see. The flow of information is just becoming ridiculously hard to filter for some subjects. Well, I guess sometimes it's cool, because it's part of the game. But when it comes to put 20,000 miles on a Spitfire to see if it loses 5HP in the end, it's becoming frustrating.

Well, thank you, your answers are really appreciated mate! There's just so much stuff left unclear from this game, it's good to get clear thoughts from someone else.

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I love the Spitfire, it's a fun car to drive.. but 20k is a long way to go :banghead:
 
TT3AZ
So 725 hp is 736 ch, and 867 is 880 ch.

Simple, now we know for sure, there are no magic hp gains :)
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hp= horsepower
ch=chevaux vapeur

horsepower in french mean chevaux vapeur, its the same thing.

:)
 
The problem is that the term 'horsepower' is not definitive... there are variations, the most commonly used being mechanical (or imperial) horsepower and metric horsepower.

UK tends to use imperial horsepower, while the majority of the rest of Europe tend to use metric horsepower (can't say for other areas of the world, I'd imagine the US uses imperial too though), so the OP is mostly correct ;)

However, there is a further issue - highlighted by ZeGermanBastorD who uses wattage, and the Watt is a SI unit...
 

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