Satanism, and you.

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My Bad , but Quote ; ' skeletons of 1st century jewish men were discovered at a building site in Jerusalem , researchers took ONE skull & rebuilt the face with a technique used in heavy reconstruction surgery ' they then go on to say that this image is of a 'general' type of man of that 'culture' & 'era' adding the 'curly hair' & 'trimmed beard' bit as guesswork sheer guesswork , there is no sceintific proof that he was bald or had mad lomg raven hair of a goth. The Beeb always word things carefully if the facts are iffy & it's in the lite 2-minute spot at the end of the programme
Swift
Show me a jewish person right now with long straight hair.
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Show you're question to oprah & get a sceintific certainty as to your image of the hebraic peoples of today . It seems something you need clarity on for yourself
 
DeLoreanBrown
Show you're question to oprah & get a sceintific certainty as to your image of the hebraic peoples of today . It seems something you need clarity on for yourself
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I don't need clarity for myself. I don't care what Jesus looked like because it doesn't matter. I'm still trying to figure out why people make such a big deal about it.
 
Swift
I don't need clarity for myself. I don't care what Jesus looked like because it doesn't matter. I'm still trying to figure out why people make such a big deal about it.
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I too, concede it's a very trivial matter. It would be like someone else asking me "what did Galileo or Anton LaVey look like?"

WTH do I care? WTH does it matter?
 
PS
I too, concede it's a very trivial matter. It would be like someone else asking me "what did Galileo or Anton LaVey look like?"

WTH do I care? WTH does it matter?
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And even through all this we can find something to agree on. Talk about maturity! :)
 
emad
Hmmm... who will continue the bulk of the pro-satanism discussion with PS banninated now?
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I doubt anyone will. But they are more then welcome to try. I'm actually going to miss PS a bit. Even though he was beyond brassen and had a hard time when you put his "beliefs" to the test, it was fun to debate with him, most of the time.
 
Emohawk
Swift; PS will miss you too, and would like you to know that you spelled 'brazen' wrong. :p
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Thanks, and I know I did...I just didn't feel like opening Word to check it. :dopey:
 
This thread [and manson crap] was the only thing I disliked about PS. I hope this thread burns in hell along with his beliefs now that he's gone! Swift-- thanks for keeping his ass[and supporters] in check with your rebuttals ! You certainly are intelligent! 👍

That said, we'll miss you PS! :(
 
BlackZ28
This thread [and manson crap] was the only thing I disliked about PS. I hope this thread burns in hell along with his beliefs now that he's gone! Swift-- thanks for keeping his ass[and supporters] in check with your rebuttals ! You certainly are intelligent! 👍

That said, we'll miss you PS! :(
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I have to pretty much agree with that. Just as long as PS hmself doesn't go to hell.

Thanks for the compliment.
 
I'd like to comment on this topic, if I may.

Is it true that Lucifer was once one of God's highest angels? Was he a friend of God? Did God trust Lucifer until he rebelled?

I may post additional comments based on the information provided.
 
Grand Prix
I'd like to comment on this topic, if I may.

Is it true that Lucifer was once one of God's highest angels? Was he a friend of God? Did God trust Lucifer until he rebelled?

I may post additional comments based on the information provided.
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Lucifier was God's second leutenint. He was an Archangel. Like Gabriel. So he was at the throne until he rebelled. He was also very attractive, he lost that when he fell.
 
Swift
Lucifier was God's second leutenint. He was an Archangel. Like Gabriel. So he was at the throne until he rebelled. He was also very attractive, he lost that when he fell.
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Interesting. So what exactly did Lucifer rebel against? God's power, or something else?
 
Hmm, I'm not very good at Shakesperian English, but the text seems to explain how Lucifer became the Devil, and not really why. 14.13 and 14.14, however, do show his greed, but they don't explain why he was greedy.

If he was always greedy beyond reason, then he rightfully deserved to become the Devil. However, I have a feeling that Lucifer had a just reason to take the risk of rebelling against God.

I must say that the story of Lucifer reminds me an awful lot of William Wallace or Darth Vader...
 
Grand Prix
Hmm, I'm not very good at Shakesperian English, but the text seems to explain how Lucifer became the Devil, and not really why. 14.13 and 14.14, however, do show his greed, but they don't explain why he was greedy.

If he was always greedy beyond reason, then he rightfully deserved to become the Devil. However, I have a feeling that Lucifer had a just reason to take the risk of rebelling against God.

I must say that the story of Lucifer reminds me an awful lot of William Wallace or Darth Vader...
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Good people can become evil without outside influences. The devil became prideful and thought he could overthrough God. Plain and simple.

As far as being like Darth Vader. Since Anakin was the chosen one, he'd be more akin to Jesus, but we all know that Jesus never turned to the dark side at any time.
 
Grand Prix
Hmm, I'm not very good at Shakesperian English, but the text seems to explain how Lucifer became the Devil, and not really why. 14.13 and 14.14, however, do show his greed, but they don't explain why he was greedy.

If he was always greedy beyond reason, then he rightfully deserved to become the Devil. However, I have a feeling that Lucifer had a just reason to take the risk of rebelling against God.
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Okay, here's the NIV translation of Isaiah 14:12-15 :

12 How you have fallen from heaven,​
O morning star, son of the dawn!​
You have been cast down to the earth,​
you who once laid low to the nations!​
13 You have said in your heart,​
"I will ascend to heaven;​
I will raise my throne​
above the stars of God;​
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,​
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.​
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;​
I will make myself like the Most High."​
15 But you are brought down to the grave,​
to the depths of the pit.​

I believe Lucifer wanted to be just like God, and so he took pride. But pride and jealousy is a sin, and so he was cast out of heaven, down to hell. And then he gathered 1/3 of the angels in heaven to go down to hell, to become demons.

I've also heard somewhere that God chose Jesus to be the Son of God, and that Lucifer became jealous of Jesus, and his pride was hurt. God then cast him out of heaven, and then Lucifer gathered 1/3 of the angels to become demons in hell.
 
Duck7892
I believe Lucifer wanted to be just like God, and so he took pride. But pride and jealousy is a sin, and so he was cast out of heaven, down to hell. And then he gathered 1/3 of the angels in heaven to go down to hell, to become demons.

I've also heard somewhere that God chose Jesus to be the Son of God, and that Lucifer became jealous of Jesus, and his pride was hurt. God then cast him out of heaven, and then Lucifer gathered 1/3 of the angels to become demons in hell.
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The first part is right , the second is incorrect.

Satan fell before Jesus came. Who do you think was messing with everyone during old testament times? :)
 
I've always admired the bad guys in movies. When I was younger I completely despised Disney movies. "Why does the good guy always win?" Why can't Wile E. Coyote catch the Road Runner? Why can't Scratchy get even with Itchy? I'm not sure about you, but I always feel sorry for the villians in comic books because of their upbringing. I loved "The Empire Strikes Back" because the good guys wern't destroying some kind of battle station. I admire the Soviet characters from Cold War era movies. I imitate a Russian accent whenever I kill some fool in online FPS gaming. I feel sorry that the Germans had to pay reparations after WW1 for a war that they didn't start (if anyone, Austria and Russia should have been blamed).

These examples are why I think good and evil are relative. 'Maybe Lucifer (assuming he exists) wasn't all that bad.' He was an Arch Angel, after all. Maybe due to the above experiences I feel pity towards the story of Lucifer. Maybe I'm an evil person? :trouble: :cool:
 
Swift
The first part is right , the second is incorrect.

Satan fell before Jesus came. Who do you think was messing with everyone during old testament times? :)
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Jesus was with God before He came to earth. Earth is about 6000 years old, and God is infinite. When we're comparing 6000 years to God's infinite existance, 6000 years is like a blip in time. So it's very probable that Jesus was created way before earth came into existance.

Grand Prix
Maybe Lucifer (assuming he exists) wasn't all that bad.' He was an Arch Angel, after all.
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Lucifer wasn't all that bad until he became greedy and jealous. I don't think jealousy is a sin, but it can very easily lead to other sins, like being greedy for example. Lucifer was jealous of Jesus, and so he wanted payback from God, and so he tried to rise above Him. But then, God struck him down to hell, because he was disobediant.
 
I think Lucifer had good reason to be jealous of Jesus. Lucifer probably spent all of eternity to become an Arch Angel, and Jesus was born with more power than him simply because His father was the big man. I'd be jealous too if "the son of the owner of my company got the raise instead of me, simply because he was the son, even though I worked hard there for 20 years."

Just think, if God and Jesus could just forgive Lucifer, we'd have no evil in the world.
 
That reminds me of a little something I've never been clear on.
Is Lucifer really the source of evil? If he was, why would he punish sinners?
 
Emohawk
That reminds me of a little something I've never been clear on.
Is Lucifer really the source of evil? If he was, why would he punish sinners?
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A very good question. Although it's possible that it's proof that Lucifer is the source of evil; He does not care for his fellow sinners. A person who does not care for even his allies, is truly evil by the Bible definition.

Maybe he doesn't punish sinners? Maybe he has parties with them? Maybe the Bible tells people they will burn in Hell so they won't dare to sin, when Hell could actually be a paradise for sinners?
 
Just think, if God and Jesus could just forgive Lucifer, we'd have no evil in the world.
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Here's why God and Jesus didn't: www.gotquestions.org/angels-repent.html


Maybe he doesn't punish sinners? Maybe he has parties with them? Maybe the Bible tells people they will burn in Hell so they won't dare to sin, when Hell could actually be a paradise for sinners?
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There are people that had near-death experiences, and some of those people were sent to Hell. According to what some of the people said, Hell was a complete black pit. People are placed in there, and they see a faint light, and a voice says "come". They follow the voice and the light, and then several demons attack them, screaming and sinking their claws into them. Then they're being scorched by fires of hell. I have never had a near-death experience, so I don't know if they're lying, but it is definately believable and possible.

Also, many questions asked about Christianity are answered at www.gotquestions.org. It's a Christian site that has more than 60,000 questions answered pertaining to Christianity.
 
Ok, I'll tell you why Lucifer is after us. It's only to get back at God for banishing him. Lucifier was in heaven, running a lot of the show, but he wanted more. God cast him out, now he's trying to get back at God by corrupting and helping to condem the souls of God's people. Very simple concept really.

So, there are no parties are anything of the sort in Hell. Hell was created specifically as a punishment for Satan, not for people. This is why Jesus came, so save people and stop satans hold over the world.
 
Grand Prix
Near-death-experiences are induced by medical drugs like morphine, mmm-kay?
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If you insert a "Can be" in the middle there that would be a more accurate statement. ;)
 

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