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We may have a manual as soon as tomorrow. I'm so excited. 
It's a 2001 Saturn SC1 with a 5 speed. Nice little car.
It's a 2001 Saturn SC1 with a 5 speed. Nice little car.
I was referring to cars, I always assume people can decipher the difference when it's obvious.DanoffNot necessarily. In a truck? I wouldn't unless I'd be doing a lot of towing or driving in mud or something. SUV? Nope. Sedan? Depends on what I'm using it for.
Doing the half-a-million or so in a semi requires an engineering degree.
I'm wary of the clutch life on dual clutch boxes, and the belt and clutch pack life on CVTs. Manual transmissions are increasingly reliant on dual-mass flywheels to maintain balance and smoothness.
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Manual transmissions are quite simply a poor interface. There is a very good reason they are dying. Let them die.
So are gas and brake pedals, steering wheels too.
But if you enjoy driving, you dont agree with a word of this.
So are gas and brake pedals, steering wheels too.
But if you enjoy driving, you dont agree with a word of this.
I'm intrigued to see how DCTs last. In theory, they could be better than a regular manual - the clutch should very rarely slip since one is letting go as the other is engaging. Even given very fast changes, they're theoretically sharing the work that one clutch would normally have to bear itself.
And yeah, the prevalence of DMFs on manuals is starting to worry me. My old, shortly-owned Rover was an old diesel with a DMF, and I was petrified it was going to go wrong at some point since on its own it's a £1,000 job. Add another grand to that for the clutch...
Best transmission? Much as people hate it (having only ever driven them in Gran Turismo), it's the planetary gearsets used by many hybrids. Almost impeccably reliable, incredibly low maintenance, really quite compact, very few moving parts...
Same effect as taking the stomp out of stomping it really.Joey DThing is I enjoy driving very much and honestly letting manuals die wouldn't bother me at all. They are very antiquated, however you can still have fun with them. I've compared manuals to the original Nintendo before, just because something is old and out-of-date doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it. I like having a manual in my track car, but I like having an automatic in my daily driver. Both are also enjoyable to drive for different reasons.
I really don't understand the whole mentality that "you can't have fun with an automatic" because a fun car is a fun car whether you're waggling a stick or not.
It's a 🤬-storm of an issue that most people are unaware of until the moment they have to replace those suckers. Finding out your standard clutch job costs two to three times as much as before? Not fun.
That said, standard flywheels are also wear items. But they wear out so slowly that we basically ignore replacing them unless something goes bad.
A Dual Mass Flywheel is a needlessly complex piece of equipment. We already have crank dampers, balancer shafts and counterbalance shafts to quell vibrations. The DMF exists only to quell out that last bit of vibration they can't damp out and to absorb shock loads during shifts. Something that can be done with better engine mounts and ECU programming that smooths out torque delivery.
Hear hear. People rag on Prii, but that transmission and engine-electric motor combination are incredibly robust and reliable. Sadly, as a planetary has a limited effective speed range, you would still need some way to switch from low range to high range gearing in a non-hybrid with a planetary.
Hell, if a manufacturer sees fit to deliver a manual transmission car with manual idle control, ignition advance mapping control and fuel mapping control at my fingertips, I will be deliriously happy.![]()
Say whatever you like praising automatics, they'll always be inferior in multiple ways.
Price
Weight
Control
Mastering something difficult (instead of asking it be done for you)
Same effect as taking the stomp out of stomping it really.
We can discuss all day the potential merits of automatic, but at the end of the day, there is an undeniable fundamental difference.
Control.
Say whatever you like praising automatics, they'll always be inferior in multiple ways.
Price
Weight
Control
Mastering something difficult (instead of asking it be done for you)
Maybe name some cons in your praise too.
Say whatever you like praising automatics, they'll always be inferior in multiple ways.
Price
Weight
Control
Mastering something difficult (instead of asking it be done for you)
Maybe name some cons in your praise too.
You have beef against Camry's?
You have beef against Camry's?
homeforsummerAgainst Camry's what? Who is Camry and what do they possess?...
And no, no particular beef. I wouldn't call a Camry "epic" though, and of all cars on which to look forward to driving stick, a floppy Japanese sedan wouldn't be high up my list.
Getting a manual Camry and proclaiming your love for manuals just seems like one of those "for the sake of having a manual" vehicles. Like it'll somehow make it a joyful experience to drive just because it's a manual. It's a bit like claiming your 400-lb girlfriend is better with lipstick. It doesn't really get to the root of the issue and it's not the best way of expressing the benefits of lipstick.
Getting a manual Camry and proclaiming your love for manuals just seems like one of those "for the sake of having a manual" vehicles. Like it'll somehow make it a joyful experience to drive just because it's a manual. It's a bit like claiming your 400-lb girlfriend is better with lipstick. It doesn't really get to the root of the issue and it's not the best way of expressing the benefits of lipstick.