SCC Old Timer Event - Ferrari 250 LM - Sunday Nov 8th, 2009 - Final Track Added

[jjaisli]

Supercar Challenge - Old Timer Event - 1964 Ferrari 250 LM - Sunday, November 8th, 2009 - 16:00 Hr GMT

The next round of the Oldies Championship has been scheduled for Sunday, November 8th. The F1 season will be effectively over (well, it is already, isn't it?) and it will likely be too cold for enjoying the outdoors and it's too early to think about the holidays. So it's the perfect time to light a fire (assuming you have a fireplace ), turn on the PS3 and go for some good old fashioned racing.

This next race will follow a similar format to the first two. Details of the first two events can be seen by clicking here 250 TR Event no. 1 and here 250 GTO Event no. 2. In general, lag seemed to be less of a problem in this last round and it produced some great racing with the GTO.

I'm considering a race start in the mid~late afternoon Continental European time (16:00hr GMT) as a number of people had dinner plans and couldn't make the last round which started at 19:00hr. But this is just preliminary and could change depending on the feedback received.

The car for this race will be the beautiful 1964 250 LM (pictured below). This is the vehicle that won the 24 hours of Le Mans in 1965, driven by Jochen Rindt and Maston Gregory. Powered by a 3.3 liter, 320-hp V12, it featured double wishbone suspension all around and 4 wheel disc brakes. But don't let it fool you. It's one unwieldy beast. As for the tracks, you'll have to wait and see.

In the meantime, you can practice for this event by wearing a large rucksack with 40kgs of dead weight and doing 'The Twist' as you walk down the street. More details will follow as time goes by.

A) Practice Session : Silverstone International National Circuit - 3 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Much like with the first two events, the first 3-lap race is considered a 'warm-up' round to get used to the car, it's braking and handling abilties, and the sensation racing against a lobby full of other cars. Points won't count so don't sweat it. For those used to Ferrari Challenge, the National Circuit at Silverstone is a new edition.

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1) Race No 1 : Mugello - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Mugello is the perfect combination of tight truns, sweeping uphill and downhill grades and a very long, high speed straight. This track has been reprofiled from the one featured in Ferrari Challenge and the uphill and downhill sections are now much more pronounced. Work hard on your set-up as this track is all about compromises. Race length, approximately 21 minutes.


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2) Race No. 2 : Miami Homestead Speedway Road Course - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

People often say that road courses, purposely built and designed to fit the layout of an infield oval are bland and boring. And they would be correct. But that doesn't make them easy. Anybody who's tried to haul the LM down from highspeed AND turn knows what a challenge it is. And the road course's turn 1 could spell disaster if you get it wrong. Supercar Challenge features the alternate road course configuration which takes to the oval between turns 9 & 14 on the map above. At nine laps, a good pace should have this race over in 15 minutes or less.

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3) Race No. 3 : Monza - 9 Laps - Wet - Random Grid

Going back to the Ferrari Challenge days, Monza was a corner cutter's dream. In fact, straight lining the first chicane became so common place, that few people in public lobbies even bothered to stay on the track, or else they'd be clobbered from behind. That's now changed. The new design and penalty zones forces you to keep the car on the track. And that's indeed a good thing. And it suddenly makes this track, and a classic one at that, a real contender. Perhaps it doesn't make Monza any more interesting, but one thing about this race will: H20. That's right, rain is in the forecast. And for those of you already brave enough to tread the waters and run a few practice rounds with the 250 LM, try it now in the rain. Get ready, things are about to get ugly. If all goes well, it should all be over in roughly 20 minutes.


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4) Race No. 4 : Miami Homestead Speedway Oval - 20 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

One good turn deserves another and it's time to see Miami from a different perspective. This time we're taking to the oval. Compared to Autoclub Speedway, Miami is considered a 'short track' so don't expect to hold your speed all the way around the track. Choosing your lines carefully and drafting your opponents will mean the difference between success and failure. In 15 minutes or less.

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5) Race No. 5 : Misano - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

The direction and layout of Misano changed in 2006. The change of direction is now reflected in Supercar Challenge but the layout remains the same. The series of left hand curves is now an extremely challenging sequence of decreasing radius right hand turns. Get it wrong on this track and put a wheel on the dirt and your race could be over, leaving almost no margin for error. And if you don't make any errors, it should over in about 18 minutes.

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Each event is a one off and prior attendance in 250TR and/or 250GTO races is NOT required to join in. Hope to see you there on the 8th.

 

[bullie77]

I set up a new world record lap on that yesterday at Mugello, and I'm decided to do it in Spa either! I love it!!

However I have a problem! What would you guys say about antecipating for Saturday afternoon (the 7th)? The 8th is the Mrs. birthday.

Tell me what you think of this.

 

[jjaisli]

Hi Bullie,

I had a lot of PMs and PSN messages from people after the first 250 TR event telling me that Saturdays (in general) were bad days and if we could switch future events to Sundays it would be preferable. (Of course, a lot of people still had an issue with the timing of the last 250 GTO event, claiming it was either too early or too late). So I was hoping a mid afternoon Sunday event, announced almost two weeks in advance would be ideal. As such, one has to appreciate the irony that the very first post is a request to change the date.

Judging from the responses I've received in the past, I would prefer to leave it on Sunday as it seems to be the prefered day, although of course I feel badly if you won't be able to attend, bullie. If several other people also request a change to Saturday, I'll consider it.

In the meantime, I'll hope to catch you in the evenings for some free running with the 'mystery car' above.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Between Saturday and Sunday I prefer Sunday, usually (and unlike Saturday) it's spent at home, kids doing their homewark/prepariing classes, etc. It's a more "quiet" day.

But Sunday at 3 PM is too soon for me. I'll tell you guys the normal sunday routine of a relaxed, portuguese and catholic family (of wich I am the "paterfamilias".)

1 - First, the whole family usually gets up late in the morning (I'd say from 10 AM onwards).

2 - Then there's church at 12.30 PM, where the service ends about 1 hour later.

3 - Then we go out to a cafe, drink an expresso, waste our time with general futilities and head home to have lunch.

4 - We have lunch starting at about 2 PM. Since it's Sunday's lunch the whole family is at the table and it takes a while to finish it, clean the dining room and the kitchen, etc. I'd say at least another 60 to 90 minutes until everything is in order

5 - Then I go out with my wife to take a second coffee just with her. No less than 30 minutes. I'm back at home aproximately at 4 PM.


So ... I guess 5 or 6 PM GMT is a good time on a sunday afternoon. Not sooner.


PS - I like my Sunday life

 

[jjaisli]

Some people really know how to live. I don't 'relax' that much during a week's holiday.

The trouble is, if we start at 18:00 GMT, the event is going to cut into dinner for the rest of Europe. Can you skip a coffee and we'll start it at 16:00?

 

[Blitz187]

Between Saturday and Sunday I prefer Sunday, usually (and unlike Saturday) it's spent at home, kids doing their homewark/prepariing classes, etc. It's a more "quiet" day.

But Sunday at 3 PM is too soon for me. I'll tell you guys the normal sunday routine of a relaxed, portuguese and catholic family (of wich I am the "paterfamilias".)

1 - First, the whole family usually gets up late in the morning (I'd say from 10 AM onwards).

2 - Then there's church at 12.30 PM, where the service ends about 1 hour later.

3 - Then we go out to a cafe, drink an expresso, waste our time with general futilities and head home to have lunch.

4 - We have lunch starting at about 2 PM. Since it's Sunday's lunch the whole family is at the table and it takes a while to finish it, clean the dining room and the kitchen, etc. I'd say at least another 60 to 90 minutes until everything is in order

5 - Then I go out with my wife to take a second coffee just with her. No less than 30 minutes. I'm back at home aproximately at 4 PM.


So ... I guess 5 or 6 PM GMT is a good time on a sunday afternoon. Not sooner.


PS - I like my Sunday life

Can you skip a coffee and we'll start it at 16:00?

But that will cut into coffee time with his significant other.... In my experience that does not go over well with the "other" I suspect it might be the same for Mario, or not? Usually you get a response like, "Is that video game more important then ME??!" Which usually leads to that blank look on your face thinking at 190 MPH to say something and not have this end badly But I could be wrong....

 

[bullie77]

I had a lot of PMs and PSN messages from people after the first 250 TR event telling me that Saturdays (in general) were bad days and if we could switch future events to Sundays it would be preferable. (Of course, a lot of people still had an issue with the timing of the last 250 GTO event, claiming it was either too early or too late). So I was hoping a mid afternoon Sunday event, announced almost two weeks in advance would be ideal. As such, one has to appreciate the irony that the very first post is a request to change the date.

That's OK. If I have the chance of getting on the race, count me in!!

Sure you can count me in also for some free runs during the week for some training sessions! I really love that car and the livery on the one you pick to put in the photo is quite similar to the one dirve (in game!), which is a kind of tribute-replica to the Jochen Rindt's car that flew him in to his '64 Le Mans win! In fact there's two curiosities about it that I can tell you if you want about it (in case you guys don't already now them...)

Between Saturday and Sunday I prefer Sunday, usually (and unlike Saturday) it's spent at home, kids doing their homewark/prepariing classes, etc. It's a more "quiet" day.

But Sunday at 3 PM is too soon for me. I'll tell you guys the normal sunday routine of a relaxed, portuguese and catholic family (of wich I am the "paterfamilias".)

1 - First, the whole family usually gets up late in the morning (I'd say from 10 AM onwards).

2 - Then there's church at 12.30 PM, where the service ends about 1 hour later.

3 - Then we go out to a cafe, drink an expresso, waste our time with general futilities and head home to have lunch.

4 - We have lunch starting at about 2 PM. Since it's Sunday's lunch the whole family is at the table and it takes a while to finish it, clean the dining room and the kitchen, etc. I'd say at least another 60 to 90 minutes until everything is in order

5 - Then I go out with my wife to take a second coffee just with her. No less than 30 minutes. I'm back at home aproximately at 4 PM.


So ... I guess 5 or 6 PM GMT is a good time on a sunday afternoon. Not sooner.


PS - I like my Sunday life

Tell us the truth... 15 of those 30 minutes you'll spent looking eagerly to the wrist watch counting the seconds to return at home and sit behind the wheel

I just have a new suggestion to make... we have to make the intervals between races a little bit longer... I bet I'm not the only smoker and... every two races a relaxing cigarrette feels very pleasant (or does it count as doping?! )

 

[bullie77]

But that will cut into coffee time with his significant other.... In my experience that does not go over well with the "other" I suspect it might be the same for Mario, or not? Usually you get a response like, "Is that video game more important then ME??!" Which usually leads to that blank look on your face thinking at 190 MPH to say samething and not have this end badly But I could be wrong....

Or even worst... we will get a sinister phone call at work the day after from his wife saying, in a slow, deep and calm way: "I'm with a chainsaw right beside your PS3 / G25 set... care to discuss a little bit WHY didn't we went to coffee yesterday afternoon?..."

 

[jjaisli]

Trust me, he can handle it. They don't call him, "The Hun" for nothing.

 

[bullie77]

Trust me, he can handle it. They don't call him, "The Hun" for nothing.

Suddenly a flash came across my mind imaging his house lobby packed with medieval weaponry hanging on the walls as decor but at hand ready to use

 

[Blitz187]

Trust me, he can handle it. They don't call him, "The Hun" for nothing.

LOL... internet screen names can be so deceiving...

 

[Hun200kmh]

@ you guys !

Jeff, I can speed up things a bit but I'm unsure about starting at 16:00 GMT. Anyway, if I'm not there from the start I will be soon after. 👍

bullie, I stopped smoking recently, but I sure don't mind to wait between races. In fact, the "Lobby-chat" moments are usually very funny and that was the case in the last GTO night we had. So, get your cigarette pack and don't waste those cigs during the races, as I used to do.

Blitz, indeed they can be deceiving, the "Hun" part in my nick has nothing to do with germans or german knights, it's just short for "Hunaudieres". the "200kmh" part is self-explanatory

 

[jjaisli]

<Looks at the ceiling as light just trickles through, then a bit brighter, quickly googles, does a double face palm in pain>

Hun200kmh = The Bentley overtaking the Mercedes at La Sarthe!!! 💡 Never in a million years...

All this time. And now I finally know! That's a metronomically derived user name if I ever heard one.

Just be as brave (and quick) as Birkin and you'll make it on time. 👍


Edit: Bullie, I enjoy driving the car too, although I haven't spent a lot of time with it in Supercar Challenge. But for those who've never driven this car, I have only two things to say. (1) The handling is completely wicked. No, that doesn't quite cover it. The car is simply, all together, EVIL! Be afraid. Be VERY afraid! (2) For Rindt to win Le Mans in this car (and assuming the real LM handles like the one in the game) well, let's just say the man was a genius.

 

[Blitz187]

Went to google "Hunaudieres" as well Got Tree'd by Jeff though...

 

[Hun200kmh]

Hey .... ?!?!?! .... I just googled myself and the only thing I can find in Google is a Bentley 1999 concept car.

Well, I'm not surprised brits and americans don't know what is "Hunaudieres" all about and have to google for it, but YOU Blitz?

Anyway, it's very simple. what english speakers wrongly call the "Mulsanne Straight" is in fact the "Hunaudieres Straight", the one that starts at Tertre Rouge and ends at Mulsanne Corner.

 

[jjaisli]

And with that, I guess I should OFFICIALLY announce the car for the next event as the 1964 Ferrari 250 LM (short for Le Mans).

Or at least, that's what the British and Americans say.

 

[bullie77]

Edit: Bullie, I enjoy driving the car too, although I haven't spent a lot of time with it in Supercar Challenge. But for those who've never driven this car, I have only two things to say. (1) The handling is completely wicked. No, that doesn't quite cover it. The car is simply, all together, EVIL! Be afraid. Be VERY afraid! (2) For Rindt to win Le Mans in this car (and assuming the real LM handles like the one in the game) well, let's just say the man was a genius.

That's right! The 250LM demands almost for you to re-learn how to drive. I figure this car handles better and its faster if driven on low rev while cornering, instead of having a high rev for the exit of the corner. This one it'll understeer and oversteer in a fraction of a second. Very very lively rear.

Unfortunately I don't have a clue how it handles in RL. However I found out this video on you tube of a 8 minute footage onboard a 250LM at some track, driven by someone supposedly professional driver (I really don't know who he is or how good of a drive he is). You can see immediately in the video that:

1) He really is not to comfortable with the car.
2) He makes a huge effort on the wheel to control it, and even it seems he's beeing quite cautious (slow), that doesn't avoid a 360º spinning entering corner 1 on the 2nd lap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHGupnPVysw

As for Jochen Rindt's win, it's a little long but worthwhile in my opinion to read this (taken from a portuguese brazilian blog which is, IMO, the best explainning around about what happen that weekend back in '65 at Le Mans):

"A phantom pilot in Le Mans '65"

Beginning of the 60's, Henry Ford decided to lead the company founded by his father to become a serious contender also on european tracks. He believed this would be important to get a better international image neat younger costumers. He also envy all the publicity around Ferrari, due to its wins, which makes pointless for the italian company to invest one Lira what-so-ever in commercials. Ford did the math: it was cheaper to run rather then to advertise!

(this was the beginning of the Ford-Ferrari war that, in between lead to a declined proposal that Ford make to buy Ferrari, and the subsequent decision of building a car to beat up the Ferrari's on track - that would be the GT40)

... In 1965, Ford and Ferrari had in total, among several different teams, 14 cars at Le Mans, which antecipated a Clash of the Titans on tarmac! On one side the strenght from Ford's american dollars, on the other the stubborness of Enzo Ferrari. The outcome couldn't be more unexpected!

The Ford's fleet were leving the race, one by one, since the first hour, due to transmission faults and engine problems - giants up to 7 litre capacity! At Saturday's midnight, the last of the Ford's entered the boxes permanently.

The battle was decided towards Ferrari which, at 3 am, had the first 5 places on the race, with their new P2 prototypes. But even they started to succumb, with braking problems - they simply weren't able to hold on their cars with the 4 litre engines - as well as clutch and engine problems. The sole P2 to achieve the end of the 24 hours did a suprisingly 7th place.

It was then that appeared on the front of the race, around Sunday noon, after an unbelievable comeback, the least expected winner: the Ferrari 250 LM, fitted with a 3,3 litre engine, a graceful berlinetta, so simple that would appear unpretensious, trying its luck on the track for over a year at the time, without any remarkable results.

Many swear that the 250LM had been conceived as a Gran Turismo and not a prototype. Corroborating this is the fact that Enzo Ferrari has struggled hardly with the sport authorities so he could homologate the car. It was because of a 250LM that John Surtees become World Champion driving a white and blue Ferrari.

The car was driven by Masten Gregory, a 33 year old american, a race veteran to the extent that held more "wounds than victories", and a severe short-sightedness that demand heavily thick lenses on his glasses, and the austrian Jochen Rindt, 23 year old, futuro F1 world champion. They were doing an epic race, recovering positions at GP rhythm - considering the car's limits - after completing the 4th hour in 18th position, due to a delay start caused by ignition problems.

This would more enough now for making Le Mans '65 one of the most epical of all times but... there was more! An extraordinary story which was held secretly by more than 40 years! Besides Gregory and Rindt, the winning Ferrari was driven also, during the late night, by a "phantom" pilot, who was not registered by the team and never before mentioned in the Le Mans 24h Endurance history!

Late night, Gregory went on to his driving shift. But his short sight, plus the dense fog that appeared at the time, he began having problems seeing the actual track on Le Mans dark night. The track had no lights so pilots could count only on the cars headlights to see their way.

Unexpectadely, Gregory stops on the boxes and says he can't go on that way. There was a problem however. The team simply didn't know where Rindt was about! He could be anywhere, since he was not schedule to be driving for another hour or so. In despair, the NART team head manager, to whom the car belong, grabs the first driver he come across and convince him to discretly enter the Ferrari and take the remaining of Gregory's shift, until Rindt is to be found.

That pilot was Ed Hugus, american, with several prior discrete appearences at Le Mans. He was signed to drive another NART Ferrari but, for some reason, his car didn't even start. Soon before the race he was appointed as Rindt and Gregory's replacement driver and, accordingly to the regulations, he could drive as long as the replaced driver wouldn't come back to the wheel of the car. Fact is that, as day rised Gregory went back to the Ferrari, infracting regulations which would desqualify the team from one of its most beautiful wins.

Therefore the matter became secret between the ones aware of it. Gregory, Rindt, the team manager Luigi Chinetti never said a word. Ed Hugus neither - for the 40 years after.

In May 2005, at the age of 82, he signs a letter to a friend where he talks about what happened on that night at Le Mans. That letter became public days after his death, in June '06.

 

[jjaisli]

Wow, what a GREAT story, bullie. That's the first I've ever heard of this. And a wonderful way to get people excited and pumped up for this event! 👍 My thanks.

And I guess the video confirms it. This car is a BEAST! But a beautiful beast.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Amazing story!!!! 👍

bullie, please provide that blog's link, have to bookmark it.

I think Bernard Santal (the driver in that video) was several million dollars lucky in that spin. Geez, if you get a "real" 250 LM totalled you're doomed


PS - Some time ago I posted this video in the Ferrari Challenge forum. I think this is a model between the TR and the GTO, because it's from 1959, and it's not a 250, because it's a 245 (no clue why 5 less ) but I never get tired of seeing that beautiful car doing a lap at Le Mans:







Anyway, I'm not a tiffosi, but the 250's, be it the TR, the GTO, the LM or any other, are just amazing. Check this 250 (they call it "Breadvan" ) in two different occasions:

At Le Mans Classic 2008



At Goodwood, outside view



At Goodwood, inboard view

 

[jjaisli]

Here's my own 44 year tribute livery for the event.

And yes I know it should be 21 and not 27 but I see GTP_bullie77 already had the same idea.

 

[Blitz187]

Hey .... ?!?!?! .... I just googled myself and the only thing I can find in Google is a Bentley 1999 concept car.

Well, I'm not surprised brits and americans don't know what is "Hunaudieres" all about and have to google for it, but YOU Blitz?

Anyway, it's very simple. what english speakers wrongly call the "Mulsanne Straight" is in fact the "Hunaudieres Straight", the one that starts at Tertre Rouge and ends at Mulsanne Corner.

My specific track knowledge is limited to say the least... I always knew it as the "Mulsanne straight" as well...

-edit: You are totally correct though Mario... 👍

Le Mans was most famous for its 6 km (3.7 mi) long straight, called Ligne Droite des Hunaudières, a part of the route départementale (for the Sarthe département) D338 (formerly Route Nationale N138). The Targa Florio featured the even longer Buonfornello straight along the coast, though. As the Hunaudières leads to the village of Mulsanne, it is often called the Mulsanne Straight in English, even though the proper Route du Mulsanne is the one to Arnage.

 

[bullie77]

Hi guys!

Nice to drive around with you yesterday night!

As I suspected my lap records were pulverised by Alan and Jeff, by 4/5 seconds and, yesterday, I drove badly, don't know why, but I couldn't ever get the right braking points. I'm faster than yesterday by 1/2 seconds, but far yet from you.

Nevertheless, more interesting than winning is the driving, which is always joyful.

Mario, I'll try to get the link for the blog mentioned yesterday, and I'll post it here.

As for the "breadvan" it's a rarity. I believe only a couple of them were ever made original and they were not produced by Ferrari but, instead, by Giotto Bizzarrini, who is the original designer of the 250 GTO. He tried to get an (even) more aerodynamically accurate shape for the car, even though he already had use intensively the wind tunnel back in '61 when he originally design it.

There were 39 250 GTO's in total produced between 1962 and 1964 (exluding prototypes) and, of those, 30 (I believe, not sure though) were of the type we know more widely, like the one in SCC, 2(?) are breadvan type, featuring the same V12 3 litre engine (which is the same, minimal changes only to get a smaller height, from the '57 250 Testa Rossa), 4 have different bodywork, with a rear section ressembling in shape that of the 250 LM, which are most commonly known as the 250 GTO LMB, and there were 3 "Special" 250 GTO's produced which bear a 4.0 Litre V12 engine with 360 BHP (instead of the "regular" 300 BHP).

Im not quite sure of the numbers now, but I have a book at home that has the right figures.

Another point of interest: all 39 GTO's produced are presently in running conditions yet! I wonder what other car with over 40 years old can match that!!

 

[bullie77]

I just checked the videos Hun had posted better. Take close attention to the keyring on the last video of the 'breadvan' 250GTO lap at Goodwood: it'll give you a better idea on the G forces that guy is dealing with on that drive!

 

[jjaisli]

Hi guys!

Nice to drive around with you yesterday night!

As I suspected my lap records were pulverised by Alan and Jeff, by 4/5 seconds and, yesterday, I drove badly, don't know why, but I couldn't ever get the right braking points. I'm faster than yesterday by 1/2 seconds, but far yet from you.

Nevertheless, more interesting than winning is the driving, which is always joyful.

...

Another point of interest: all 39 GTO's produced are presently in running conditions yet! I wonder what other car with over 40 years old can match that!!

Ironically, I was just working on the set-up for that car when I received your race invite. And Mugello is actually a good track to test it because of it's combination of long straights, tight corners and off-camber sweepers. It offers a wide range of conditions that you might find on various other tracks. So I figured it would be the perfect opportunity to put the car through it's paces. Prior to that, I had run a single test lap with the stock setup and it wasn't too bad but I wanted to try and increase grip and turn-in.

I just made some rather basic changes and entered your lobby. But already on the very first corner I realized that I had gotten things very wrong with my setting choices. I hit the brakes and immediately started to spin. And right towards you. Somehow I managed to avoid you, although, I'm not sure how. I went off the road 3 times on the first lap and at one point I think you were more than 20 seconds ahead. And I was just cringing thinking that we had 8 more laps to go. But after a few more laps to work it out, I was able to adjust my lines and approach and change my driving style enough that I could finally get a handle on things. (See, all that time playing Shift paid off for something). And if anything, the car was a bit quicker to drive. But positively EVIL to control. Well, even more evil than usual.

After the race I went back to the garage, made a few changes and did a test lap. Better but not perfect. I then went and made some VERY radical changes, just to see the effect they would have. And I was surprised to see that it actually worked rather well. Although I won't say it will at other tracks and I don't know if that's what I'm going to stick with. Anyway, my point is, don't feel too badly about the lap times. A lot of that is down to setup. This car is VERY tricky to control at the limit. Or anything approaching it.

BTW, the statistic about all 39 GTO cars produced still in running condition is marvelous. To think about what those cars went through and the extensive history behind them, it's impressive to consider just what that means. This past summer I went to a local airshow and they had a number of WWII era aircraft on display that had flown in for the event. At one point, a B25, an F4F Corsair and a TBF Avenger were all flying over head and the announcer said that any 'young' members of the audience should watch these birds fly and remember it well, because by the time they're his age, these old planes will simply be too old and too valuable to risk flying anymore. When one looks at the video Mario posted of the 2008 Le Mans classic and the way the 'breadvan' launches itself out of position and down the straight, I hope all 39 will still be running NEXT year. But it's really great to see these cars in action and fired up--exactly how they should be remembered, rather than wasting away in a museum.

 

[Hun200kmh]

I just checked the videos Hun had posted better. Take close attention to the keyring on the last video of the 'breadvan' 250GTO lap at Goodwood: it'll give you a better idea on the G forces that guy is dealing with on that drive!

The "guy" in question is called ... Claudia Huertgen

 

[jjaisli]

* Bump * practice round for next weekend's 250LM event added. More will follow during the week.

 

[Aldo]

The Ferrari 250 sounds absolutely heavenly!
Does this game have a lot of older supercars? I am getting a PS3 next weekend and I want to know what this game is like.
Thanks
Allyn

 

[Alan_G]

Silverstone Interational is not in Supercar Challenge! I believe you mean the National circuit.

 

[jjaisli]

Ahem. Ahh, fixed. Thank you Alan.

Aldo001, there's a good selection of older cars:
250 TR (1958)
250 GTO (1963)
250 LM (1964)
330 P4 (1967)
365 GTB/4 (1969)
365 GTS/4 (1973?)
512S (1970)
512M (1971)

 

[Aldo]

Quality! I really like the PC game "GT Legends" which has old Ferraris, Porshes and more. Old cars are pretty fun to drive.