SCC Old Timer Event - Ferrari 250 LM - Sunday Nov 8th, 2009 - Final Track Added

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Come on bullie, "hate" is such a strong word. If we throw it around too much, it's impact becomes diluted and much less significant. So it should be reserved only for when we really mean it. For example, to describe Paul Ricard. :D In fact, I can think of many other colorful adjectives to describe Paul Ricard. But let's not go there today. :sly:

I certainly don't consider the Miami Infield to be one of my 'favorite' tracks. Not even in the top 10. In general, as I mentioned in the o.p., I don't find road circuits inside oval tracks particularly interesting. It's the same with Daytona. It's the same with Indianapolis. There's only so much you can do with a small, flat piece of land within the confines of large cement walls. Although taking to the oval banking for part of the lap at least makes it somewhat interesting. I will also say, between Homestead and Autoclub Speedway, I think Autoclub has the much more challenging infield. But it's ambiguous run off areas, especially in the final complex before taking back to the oval, makes it a poor selection. That said, Autoclub WILL probably make an appearance at some point. ;) However, it won't be during the 250LM event.

I think it's important to include a variety of tracks and conditions for these classic races. If I just picked my favorites, we'd be racing at Mont-Tremblant and Spa for every event and it would get boring rather quickly.
 
Hi jeff
I just might make the race sunday,if the hang-over dosn't kill me:crazy:
Hope to see you for some great races:tup:
 
Always a pleasure to have you on board Henrik! And if you're a little drunk and off the pace, we won't mind too much. ;)

I almost hate to even ask this question but who IS planning to attend?
 
jjaisli
Come on bullie, "hate" is such a strong word. If we throw it around too much, it's impact becomes diluted and much less significant. So it should be reserved only for when we really mean it. For example, to describe Paul Ricard. :D In fact, I can think of many other colorful adjectives to describe Paul Ricard. But let's not go there today. :sly:

I certainly don't consider the Miami Infield to be one of my 'favorite' tracks. Not even in the top 10. In general, as I mentioned in the o.p., I don't find road circuits inside oval tracks particularly interesting. It's the same with Daytona. It's the same with Indianapolis. There's only so much you can do with a small, flat piece of land within the confines of large cement walls. Although taking to the oval banking for part of the lap at least makes it somewhat interesting. I will also say, between Homestead and Autoclub Speedway, I think Autoclub has the much more challenging infield. But it's ambiguous run off areas, especially in the final complex before taking back to the oval, makes it a poor selection. That said, Autoclub WILL probably make an appearance at some point. ;) However, it won't be during the 250LM event.

I think it's important to include a variety of tracks and conditions for these classic races. If I just picked my favorites, we'd be racing at Mont-Tremblant and Spa for every event and it would get boring rather quickly.
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;) Don't worry about it... this is just my typical beginning of the week bad temper :grumpy:, overrater by the fact that my football team still have the same S*****Y head-coach and managers...

Having that said... important is the racing part and not as much as the track itself. Of course we all have our preferences and that's a good thing. And I reckon that one of the reasons for me having the aversion to that track :yuck: is the fact that I have great trouble in dealing with that off-banking to the first tight corner... and, let's face it!, it's much easier to me to blame it on the track rather than admitting the lousy driver I am :crazy:
 
Hmm. :nervous: Maybe you should go drinking with Henrik, Alan. :)
 
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jjaisli
Hmm. :nervous: Maybe you should go drinking with Henrik Alan. :)
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LOL! Let's get all these aces really drunk before the event, maybe we get a chance :lol:

Jeff, about this:

... That said, Autoclub WILL probably make an appearance at some point ...
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Not hating it, I won't race that track online ever until eutechnyx penalizes the use of everything that is not the track.
 
Hun200kmh
LOL! Let's get all these aces really drunk before the event, maybe we get a chance :lol:

Jeff, about this:

Not hating it, I won't race that track online ever until eutechnyx penalizes the use of everything that is not the track.
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Yeah. Autoclub is a good track. But that final off-road bit just ruins it, and I find myself avoiding it in time trials and some online races.
 
Boy you guys are harsh. ;) But as I said, Autoclub won't appear in this event. And there's still hope that Eutechnyx will increase the penalty zones in the upcoming patch. But maybe we should send them a little reminder. Ahem (hint). Still, I would have no issues running this track with the lot of you as I know you all try to race fairly. I would feel differently about just joining some random lobby.

I scoured YouTube to see just what kind of lines people take through there in real life. And it was really tough to find one. Most of the club events do not take to the oval and end up turning RIGHT at exactly the point where people in SCC can blatantly abuse the run-off area.

I did however find this one:


And as you can see, the club or track organizers put down some tire barriers and cones to reinforce the run off portion.

(I will say, these guys make it look so easy)
 
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Nah I don't mean to be harsh. On the Eutechnyx forum when asking for penalty zones, I said that lack of penalties over the final corner ruins what is a "very fine track". I don't think they'll do anything about it though, because it means unbeatable laptimes will exist on the leaderboard. And dare anyone suggest wiping the leaderboards!! :eek:
 
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:grumpy:Monza wet... tell me... the 250LM doesn't slip enough for you no does it?...

Just kidding... but I'm imagining the pile of wreckage we will have in chicane 1right after start! :scared:
 
There are two choices bullie.
a) Get to the corner first and exit first.
b) wait for the carnage and then pass everybody who just got hit with a penalty.

There are risks either way. However I an tell you NEITHER of these strategies will get you home first at track no. 4. (Just posted).
 
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jjaisli
There are two choices bullie.
a) Get to the corner first and exit first.
b) wait for the carnage and then pass everybody who just got hit with a penalty.

There are risks either way. However I an tell you NEITHER of these strategies will get you home first at track no. 4. (Just posted).
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:lol::lol::lol: I was pretty sure that would be in this event also from you talk regarding Homestead... :crazy: I have to take advantage of this 'fortune-teller' mood of mine and play on the lottery this week to see if those €100 million go to my bank account...
 
* Bump *

All 5 tracks + the warmup lap are now posted on page 1. I hope to see everybody on Sunday afternoon at 16:00 GMT.

Bullie & Alan--good racing with both of you tonight. Alan once again showing that he is truly a force to be reckoned with, winning almost every practice event and dominating the lap times consistently. Most of the time, the rest of us were just too far behind to even get a good look at him, although I did enjoy the last round at Misano VERY much. It was really a neck and neck battle for at least 4 laps and only some vicious defending of the inside line allowed me to sneak in my one and only win for the night. Great fun! 👍
 
Great fun racing with you last night. Alan is definetively from "another league"... :grumpy: although I'm still convinced that there's something about the fuel he uses, that should be analyzed and tested!
 
And when you manage to put down a lap where you hit every apex just right, manage your throttle and brake input perfectly and seem to be taking precisely the right lines and FINALLY run him close, rather than being elated, you're rather left with the impression that it's because he's eating or watching TV and just half heartily racing you on-the-side. The guy is just depressing.

Sending that text message while he was in the lead at Hockenheim last week will go down in history. :lol: I've never seen a display of dominance that was more brilliant and outrageous, all at the same time. :boggled: Bravo. 👍
 
I just wanted to give this thread a little bump and a reminder that the event is tomorrow, Sunday, November 8th at 16:00 GMT:

- 4:00 pm in the UK, Ireland, Portugal.
- 5:00 pm in Continental Europe
- 11:00 am on the US East Coast

I'm looking forward to the event and hope to see everybody there. :)
 
It looks like a good turnout for this one. A few of 'The Racing Elite' guys seem to be coming. With plenty of people, definitely good fun!


bullie77
Great fun racing with you last night. Alan is definetively from "another league"... :grumpy: although I'm still convinced that there's something about the fuel he uses, that should be analyzed and tested!
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Well, I don't think there's anything major about it! Here's a few thoughts below. Although not to seem like blowing the secrets or something; when it's just a simulation it's better to have really close races and finish second, than finish well down the road!

Know the braking points. If you're not sure and brake too late and run wide, then there's not much of a reference for the next time round. If you're not sure of a braking point, brake early! If you brake too early, it's a good reference for picking a slightly later point on the next lap. Something you can't do in real life: On the approach to some corners you'll see shadows on the track. If a braking point is in between 200m/100m boards, use the shadows! (In real life obviously they would change position with the sun) For example: Homestead, braking for the tight left-hand hairpin near the end - there's a really thin shadow running horizontally across the track. I brake around 10m before this (it just comes into sight before braking). Similarly for Silverstone National, braking for the long left-hander near the end (Brooklands) - I aim to brake around 10m before that rubbered-racing line starts. Maybe everyone already does these things!

Don't use Automatic. The computer will change gears in the middle of corners, putting you into a slide, and will also change down gears when you need to stay one higher. Avoid 1st gear altogether (except for starts!). Only use 2nd gear in very tight corners. Silverstone National for example: I never use 2nd gear. Although you get better acceleration, traction can be tricky particuarly mid-corner, and most of all there's a big upshift penalty to contend with. For the final corner at Silverstone National, I'm a bit in between - 2nd or 3rd gear are closely matched. But I normally go for 3rd.

If the car is sliding, you're going too fast! Maybe on corner exits a bit of sliding can be okay. But generally on entry and mid-corner, sliding just kills the speed, makes it hard to keep on your racing line, and most of all it's difficult to make it stop sliding when you want it to. Not sure how the wheel users are with this, but if you're using a six-axis, unfortunately this car exposes SCC's sometimes lame physics engine - if you go wide of the racing line/turn in late (especially on corner entry), the car will have a greater tendency to oversteer. So the safe option (and a lot of the time, fastest) is to turn in a bit early - turning for the latter part of your braking (not necessarily for every corner). A good example of this is Mugello, the final 2 hairpins (right-hander, and longer left-hander): around half-way through braking I'm already turning in catching a very early apex and hugging it until around half-way, when you can increase throttle and fall away from the kurb a bit.

If the car wheelspins on exiting corners, it's accelerating slower than it could be, in particular when accelerating in a straight line. A classic example is exiting the first chicane at Monza in the wet. In a race tonight, I exited that corner at the same speed as a guy just in front, and 500m later I had almost driven clean past him. The reason for that is his car was wheelspinning for a couple of hundread metres (possibly on full throttle). For Monza in wet exiting that corner in 2nd gear, just jump onto around 20% throttle (normally after clipping the 2nd apex I think) and gently squeeze as you move - if you wheelspin a bit, just stop increasing the throttle for a moment, and do it again - gently squeeze a bit more. After a few laps you'll get the feel for it. As with many things, it's easy to work up to the speed, rather than flooring the throttle and trying to work down from there next lap round.

For starts, when the computer releases the car, don't floor the throttle! For 250LM, I floor the throttle, and as soon as released from the grid, I'm on around 50% throttle, balancing the rev-dial around 2pm (the rpm numbers are illegible!). Gradually I increase the throttle, maybe just reaching 100% before upshifting to 2nd gear.

A further thing about throttle: Maybe this is a stylistic thing, but I find most of the time I'm either braking or on the throttle - not very often am I just free-wheeling. "On the throttle" doesn't just mean 100% of course! In all cars really, I brake and change down gears, and as soon as braking finished, straight onto the throttle again, maybe even just 10 or 20%. Copse-Turn1 at Silverstone is a good example: I brake, get into gear, and even before hitting the apex I'm on around <20% throttle. If I can't use that amount of throttle that early without running wide, I've taken too much speed in.

I use the words "you" and "your" a lot there; I don't mean it to be directed at anyone in particular! Just if anyone is overdriving the car or looking for quicker times, maybe there's a couple of useful ideas there.
 
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I'm now in the process of tabulating the results and putting some video together. I have a favor to ask those who remember. Due to the short length of time that the results are displayed on the screen, my only real option is to take a quick picture. And unfortunately the 2nd shot of the Monza results screen was completely out of focus and I only have the top 6 finishers. Does anybody know the finishing order after 6th?

I also have to express my frustration at how this event went down. The 2nd race was effectively ruined by a punter who decided to drive around the track and do nothing but drive into people. As a result, Mugello was restarted and run as a 7 lap race as opposed to 9. Another punter pretty much ruined the second running of this track for some drivers. And in general, while the 250GTO event seemed to run very smoothly, this time the lobby was plagued with lag issues. At least two of my races were ruined by lag and the result was carnage for others as well.

Despite this, it was a pleasure to run with some of you who appreciate good clean racing and the faster drivers ultimately found themselves on top. Well done.

A full write up will follow later today.
 
I think I should give my own write-up, as there was plenty of collisions, and in the lobby an air of rough driving by some.

Silverstone: I started near the back. Got good speed off the start and made a couple of places. I stayed left. Someone was inside approaching Copse. I stayed outside, gave loads of space, and we both made it around fine. Bit of action ahead on the 2nd straight; I think I swerved to avoid a collision and made a place or two. Under braking for turn2, TURNER_047 hit the back of me hard, and we both were sent way off the track (he mentioned someone hit him, which sent him into me). Rejoined, made a few places. Got behind Jeff at the final turn. He went a bit wide, so I slipped through on the inside. He was turning back in, so it may have seemed I was throwing it up the inside, but from my perspective it wasn't like that. There was no contact on my side, so if it did occur it was a lag issue. A bit later, I was following ChilledAnt out of the last corner. He ran wide on exit, and I got a great run on him, so I went to the right before Woodcote. As I was passing he came back across, and I had to steer onto the grass to overtake, but held onto the position. He's a good racer - I'd say he didn't know I was coming through. So nothing wrong with that.

Mugello: Stayed left approaching turn 1. Ran around the outside. Someone outbraked and just missed me - shot passed in front of me as I was turning. Made it into the lead after a couple of laps. Then that moron 'Kubica88' - I was coming around the final corner and he was just parked in the middle of the track at the exit, facing the wrong way. I decided to run around the outside. He put it into reverse gear, and reversed into my line. So I had to swerve off the track, into the gravel. And Hailwood got passed me then. On the restart, got into the lead. On lap 4, a different moron just flashed past me on the main straight, going backwards. I didn't even see him coming, so I was lucky. He obliterated Hailwood I think. At that stage I was thinking there's only 4 laps left, so we should just get it out of the way and sort out the lobby for the next race.

Homestead Road: I started near the back. Good start, keeping to the right. Very tentatively went into braking for turn 1. Someone hit me (again), and I was sent onto the grass, just missing a point-blanc impact with those tyres. I thought that was race-over. Was amazed to make up two places when Jeff and Dave got tangled on turn 5. All my other overtakes to make it to 2nd place were clean, unless anyone else can say otherwise. TURNER was doing some great pace. I got close coming to turn 6. He seemed to outbrake himself, so I slipped through easily on the inside.

Monza: Started first. Got to turn 1 first. Braked reasonably late. Was turning in, and WULLIE outbraked himself and ran into me. Managed to hold the lead. TURNER was strong again. Overtook me down the straight (he was killing me down the straights - must be something wrong with my setup). He ran wide through Parabolica, and I got through. We were both making mistakes to the finish! But I held on anyway.

Homestead: All clean racing in this one from what I could see. Down the back straight, I looked behind and saw ChilledAnt collide with Jeff - Jeff's car left spinning around. It was characteristic of a lag issue. I got up behind Mario. Around the 2nd corner, his car ran into the wall. I came through, and onto the racing line across the grid. He was around 0.7 behind me. Then his car appeared inside my car, and we were sent spinning all over the place. After that, was gradually closing on guys in front. Passed Henrick. Not enough time to do anymore.

Misano: Coming away from the grid slot, Hairy-Dave's car cut across sharply and made contact with me (possibly lag, or wheelspin?), so I ended up with 2 wheels on grass and had to back off a bit. From then on, did several clean moves (unless it appeared otherwise to anyone else). Coming out of the last corner, Dave put two wheels off. I was aiming to go one way to avoid him. His car changed lines, I jumped on brakes, but contact inevitable. The impact punted him into the pit wall, and he ended up in the gravel. Despite feeling it's a racing incident and not my fault, I completely backed off and pulled over. After around 8 seconds he was only just back on the track but still moving slowly, and with other cars flashing past, I decided to keep going, which I'll just have to say I'm entitled to do so.

The Polish guy and that other ******** are clear cut. And the lag issues are also easy to understand. Apart from that, there wasn't much bad driving around me. There were just those three occations when I was hit from behind.

I can't understand however when someone outbrakes him/herself, why the person doesn't swerve to avoid contact with a car in front. It happens so (too) often. The first thing is, outbraking in that kind of race is almost inexcusable - with that kind of car, and that number of people, it's a bit irresponsible. As I mentioned in my post above, if one doesn't know the braking point, brake early!. I just don't take this ******** when people complain "oh the guy in front braked too early, and I hit him". It's the person behind who is responsible to avoid contact. If you're close to someone infront approaching braking, just bloody pull slightly to one side. Even on lap 9/9, I would never follow right behind a car before braking - I pull slightly to one side. Why?

- It's safer
- I'm not sure when he will brake
- The increased aero-drag helps braking

On occations that I outbrake myself (online when switching between random cars/circuits), I swerve to avoid the person in front. Even if it means going on the grass and completely ruining your own race. Doing a practice race a few days ago I ran into Jeff approaching turn 1. On that occation the pit wall was to the right, and cars were alongside on the left, so it was unavoidable. But most of the time it is avoidable.
 
Supercar Challenge - Old Timer Event - 250 LM - Sunday, November 8, 2009 - Race Results

First of all, a big thanks to all those who took part in the 250 LM event. As mentioned in my last post, this event seemed cursed with punters or lag issues and unfortunately, at least for me personally, it took a lot of the enjoyment away. But live and learn and I'm considering some changes for the next event (hopefully on November 22nd). Onto the recap.


A) Practice Session : Silverstone National Circuit - 3 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

As mentioned, points don't count at the first practice section. But I'll tabulate them anyway just for record sake. There was a lot of contact between different cars at corner two on the first lap. But I didn't record it and it's now a bit of a blur. Edit: I noted your comments about the pass Alan and I'm fine with it. I left the door open and you took advantage of it. There was actually contact between. I didn't realize you were coming down the inside and was trying to tighten my line. If anything it was my fault because I was trying to close the door after you were already there. But no harm, no foul. Your car really does just seem to move down the road faster than the rest of ours. Not sure how it's possible or why it keeps happening. :)

Results:
1) eddietrout - 1:09.89 - 10 points
2) ChilledAnt - 1:09.34 - 8 points
3) AlanG184 - 1:07.72 - 6 points + 1 for fastest lap
4) jjaisli - 1:10.30 - 5 points
5) mhm66 - 1:10.13 - 4 points
6) TURNER_042 - 1:08.74 - 3 points
7) cepitas - 1:12.72 - 2 points
8) Hairy-Dave - 1:15.96 - 1 point
Race length: 3 min 36 seconds

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1) Race No 1 : Mugello - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Here's where the trouble started. And the trouble has a PSN ID. Kubica88 Remember it well. If you see this person in your lobby, chances are he's not there to race. He's there to cause trouble. Several people in the lobby had already warned me that he was nothing but a punter. I hesitated but at least 4 separate people commented that they've had a bad experience with him so I decided to kick him out of the lobby. Unfortunately I did it too early and he was able to return before the game synched. And sure enough, at the very first corner, he tried to take several people out. Two laps later, he waited at the exit of Bucine and drove (the wrong direction) straight into me. After I got back on track, I decided to exit to the lobby and kick him out again. For whatever reason, I hesitated and waited to see what he did. But looking at the map it was clear he was just sitting there on the track, waiting for somebody else to come by and punt. So I returned to the lobby and booted him. Shortly there-after, most of the other players also returned to the lobby and we agreed to restart the race, this time for 7 laps.

But aside from Kubica88, it was clear there were some lag issues about. Watching the video, you can clearly see eddietrout in front of me swerve to the right and nearly put another car into the wall (0.18 second mark) but then shoot back to the left, indicating that it was only lag and he never made such a move. At the 0.23 second mark, it appears that he also makes contact with another car. This may or may not be what really happened from his perspective. At the 0.28 second mark, ChilledAnt brakes early for the first corner. But then at the 0.34 second mark he comes spinning through the corner, after having been slammed from behind by Kubica88. At the 0.35 second mark, Kubica88 then slams into me. He then spins into me at the 0.38 second mark, while eddietrout, who had been off the road, comes FLYING back onto the track at incredible speed (clearly a lag related issue as there seems to be no way he could have gained that much speed). At the 0.40 mark, it looks like I have a great shot up the outside next to Hairy-Dave but he had the position and line and (rightfully) pushed me a bit wide defending (or trying to avoid a slightly out of control MHailwood). :lol: It's interesting watching these videos after and attempting to analyze what happened. But watch it a few times and it's clear that (a) Kubica88 was there to cause trouble and (b) there was some funky lag affects about.

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Mugello II reboot started off with a good launch for me. Eddietrout braked a bit earlier for the 1st corner than I was expecting and I had to take avoiding action off the track (I'm sure AlanG would approve) ;) But then we were hit by the 2nd punter of the evening: taxibaz. Remember this guy as well. I gave him the benefit of the doubt as well until I reviewed the video and could see him waiting at certain points on the track to ambush and drive into other racers. What is it with these guys? Do they have nothing better to do? I realize now in retrospect, he totally destroyed MHailwood's race who was running either 1st or 2nd at the time. After I took avoiding action, you can see eddietrout then come flying past me, clearly punted from behind. The rest of the corner was a mess and taxibaz right in the middle of the carnage.

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From that point on, my race was rather boring. I spent most of the time trying to keep up with mhm66 and was progressively falling back here or there. But I was able to hold my position for the remaining 6 laps.

Results:
1) AlanG184 - 2:14.83 - 10 points + 1 for Fastest Lap
2) mhm66 - 2:18.10 - 8 points
3) jjaisli - 2:18.23 - 6 points
4) ChilledAnt - 2:19.23 - 5 points
5) TURNER_042 - 2:17.58 - 4 points
6) eddietrout - 2:21.50 - 3 points
7) Hairy-Dave - 2:20.13 - 2 points
8) drivatar - 2:24.90 - 1 point
9) MHailwood - RTD*
10) taxibaz **
Race Time: 16 in 5 seconds

* MHailwood's departure was a shame but his race was effectively destroyed by taxibaz.
** taxibaz, having taken out half the field, driving backwards, etc, then retired himself. Good Riddance. Now on my ignore list with Kubica88.

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2) Race No 2 : Homestead Infield - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

I got a lousy start; lots of wheelspin and fighting the wheel. It seemed like I let the whole field go by but watching the video, I realize I started 5th and only 1-2 cars actually passed. Unfortunately, lag reared it's ugly head around the 0.40 second mark. Watch how eddietrout and the red car come together. I then continue on what looks like an empty track, only to realize I was 'locked together' with eddietrout and ended up against the wall, unable to move. This unfortunately ruined both of our races. I then suffered major brain fade on lap 2 and both missed my braking point and turn in angle for the 1st left hander. For a second I thought I could save it but smacked the wall. (You can hear me fighting the G25's FFB motors in the video). I spent the rest of the race trying to chase down ChilledAnt but just wasn't quite fast enough to catch him, making minor errors on nearly every lap.

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Results:
1) AlanG184 - 1:32:34 - 10 points + 1 for Fastest Lap
2) TURNER_042 - 1:33.34 - 8 points
3) mhm66 - 1:33.69 - 6 points
4) ChilledAnt - 1:35.45 - 5 points
5) jjaisli - 1:34.79 - 4 points
6) eddietrout - 1:34.11 - 3 points
7) drivatar - 1:34.64 - 2 points
8) Hairy-Dave - 1:37.64 - 1 point
9) GTP_Hun -
Race Time: 14 min 13 seconds

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3) Race No 3 : Monza - 9 Laps - Wet - Random Grid

I had a pretty good start at Monza but had a coming together with Hairy-Dave on the main street. He came across the track right in front of me and I'm guessing he just put too much power down and the oversteer carried him over. Unfortunately I couldn't swerve in time and lost a lot of momentum from running into him. Somehow, everybody managed to avoid total carnage at the first corner. Several people received a penalty at the 2nd chicane (Variante della Roggia) and I was able to take advantage of the situation and drive up the middle.

None-the-less, those who were out front, were simply too fast for me to match and those behind couldn't make any gains on me, so I pretty much ran the rest of the race alone, with nobody in sight either in front or behind. As such, I didn't bother to post what would have been a 3rd video (due to YouTube's 10 min max) as the last lap was simply more of the same.

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Results:
1) AlanG184 - 2:15.98 - 10 points + 1 point for Fastest Lap
2) TURNER_042 - 2:16.17 - 8 points
3) mhm66 - 2:18.37 - 6 points
4) jjaisli - 2:18.07 - 5 points
5) ChilledAnt - 2:18.21 - 4 points
6) GTP_Hun - 2:19.42 - 3 points
7) drivatar - no time
8) Hairy-Dave - no time
Total Race Time: 20 min 50 seconds


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4) Race No 4 : Homestead Oval - 20 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

I didn't record this race. Perhaps I should have. I'm not sure what happened but I was in 2nd place behind AlanG and suddenly ChilledAnt was literally inside my car. My LM went from 230 kmh to nearly a dead stop in the span of .5 of a second. I ended up spinning around uncontrollably and being hit by half the people in the field as a result. :grumpy: This is obviously the result of a serious lag issue and something that Eutechnyx is supposed to address in the next patch. Let's hope so. :indiff: The rest of the race was a snooze fest for me personally. Once you're out of the draft, you have no chance to catch up to the cars in front unless they make a major error. Which they didn't.

Results:
1) ChilledAnt - 0:38.66 - 10 points
2) TURNER_042 - 0:38.91 - 8 points
3) AlanG184 - 0:38.22 - 6 points + 1 point for Fastest Lap
4) GTP_Hun - 0:38.59 - 5 points
5) mhm66 - 0:39.21 - 4 points
6) jjaisli - 0:38.62 - 3 points
7) Hairy-Dave - 0:38.56 - 2 points
8) drivatar - 0:40.40 - 1 point
Total Race Time: 13 min 19 seconds.

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4) Race No 5 : Misano - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

I got a good start at Misano and for ONCE started near the front of the grid. I made up one place but had to brake off-line for the first right hander. I kept hard to the inside of the corner and this allowed the car behind me to overtake once again, but then he was off-line for the next left hander, left his braking a little too late and I was able to take advantage and get by him. I was then closing in on GTP_Hun around Quercia when disaster struck, as clearly evident from the video. It's actually a bit amusing to watch it now after the fact, but at the time I was furious. Through some weird lag, Hun's car appeared to shoot backwards like a Torpedo and smash into my car. The resulting impact put me into a spin and left me facing the entire field which was heading right towards me. :grumpy: For the second time. :grumpy::grumpy: So any chance to come away with a good result at Misano was effectively over for me. From that point on, I tried to run a solid race without making too many mistakes, which I did anyway, and eventually finished in 4th, not what I was hoping for when the race started but better than I expected after the incident with GTP_Hun.

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Results:
1) AlanG184 - 1:56.02 - 10 points + 1 point for Fastest Lap
2) ChilledAnt - 1:58.70 - 8 points
3) mhm66 - 1:59.57 - 6 points
4) jjaisli - 2:00.45 - 5 points
5) TURNER_042 - 1:59.12 - 4 points
6) Hairy-Dave - 2:02.77 - 3 points
7) GTP_Hun - RTD
8) Drivatar - DSQ

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Final Results:

Using the current FIA F1 points system, plus allowing an additional point for fastest lap, the winner is rather obvious.

1) AlanG184 - 51 points
2) TURNER_042 -& ChilledAnt - 32 points (tie)
4) mhm66 - 30 points
5) jjaisli - 23 points
6) Hairy-Dave - 9 points
7) GTP_Hun - 8 points
8) eddietrout & drivatar - 6 points (tie)

Congratulations Alan, showing speed and consistency even in the face of punters and lag. :lol: I'll be making a post in a few days about the next event. And considering the options carefully. Thanks again to all those who took part and gave it their best.




For what it's worth, I'd like to also nominate myself for being the ONLY driver to make it through the entire event without getting a single penalty. :)

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For Mugello, MHailwood got the fastest lap, not myself. His lap was 2.14.23 I think.


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Eddietrout braked a bit earlier for the 1st corner than I was expecting and I had to take avoiding action off the track (I'm sure AlanG would approve) ;)
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I certainly don't mean any offense to anyone in particular. I just have to maintain my opinion about what I said. In these races, given the unfamiliarity across all players across all circuits, I believe drivers should always keep to one side of someone close in front when approaching braking.

Last week I was doing a race with 'frawe' and some guy called 'ayce_123'. Frawe punted me off under braking; I could seem him closing in my mirror, and didn't attempt to avoid me - perhaps there was a lag issue as he's normally a clean driver, and he also didn't stop and let me past. As for the other guy, he punted me off during braking twice in that race (and didn't stop to let me past). Foolishly I did one more race with them, and the exact same thing happened again. I braked at a normal point, and in my mirrors I have a car closing fast without taking avoiding action, and I found myself swerving onto the grass just to avoid being hit!

The regular users of this forum are not really what I'm talking about with this point. It's just sometimes I get the feeling in races with others that they sometimes deliberately choose not to swerve, as punting the car in front is a much more convenient option. And perhaps there was a bit of that going on today. Of course if people at fault don't use this forum, then no need to say it, but there you go anyway!
 
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On the contrary Alan, I do understand. And I agree in the sense that I think few people really make an attempt to take avoiding action if they can do so. Although in fairness, and especially in these older cars, it often just isn't possible because they're not exactly fleet footed. But if somebody pushes you off, they should have the decency to wait for you. Sometimes it's a judgement call, such as in the 250GTO race at Silverstone when GTP_Hun and I had our coming together. To me it appeared as if his car was suffering massive oversteer under power and we just had a 'coming together'. Others may view the incident differently, and unfortunately, due to lag, two people may often have a very different impression of the same incident.

For the record, MHailwood may have had the fastest lap but since he left the lobby, his times were negated and the person with the next fastest lap automatically assumes the honor. (At least that's the way Eutechnyx designed the game). It's really a shame and I feel badly that both he and Ed Trout left the lobby.

(Still working on the other videos. But if anybody has the results from 6-9 at Monza it would be quite helpful)
 
Jeff: About Monza, only help I can give is that I ended after Chilled Ant (so, two places after you) and followed by drivatar.

About the oval, I'll quote Alan and give my own view:

Homestead: All clean racing in this one from what I could see. Down the back straight, I looked behind and saw ChilledAnt collide with Jeff - Jeff's car left spinning around. It was characteristic of a lag issue. I got up behind Mario. Around the 2nd corner, his car ran into the wall. I came through, and onto the racing line across the grid. He was around 0.7 behind me. Then his car appeared inside my car, and we were sent spinning all over the place. After that, was gradually closing on guys in front. Passed Henrick. Not enough time to do anymore.
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I LOLed when I read this description (but feeling at the same time the urge to bomb and reduce to subatomic particles the eutechnyx HQ :D ).

From my POV it was like this. I was in first, closely followed by Alan. With the benefit of drafting, he gets enough speed to take the inside of a corner, I keep to a wide line to avoid contact, when the corner is over he is in front of me but I am nose-to-tail with his car, and we are both doing the straight very close to the outside wall. Then, suddenly ... it's as if he hit a wall and I hit him, we both go spinning without control and come to a full stop. After that, it was a catch up race, I don't know why but I was fast in that race, followed Alan (but losing a litle time every lap) and also passed Henrik before the end.


Overall, I think I should have kept myself from showing up, only embarrased myself this afternoon. The truth is I didn't play SCC all week, never touched the 250 LM before entering the race at Monza and I guess the setup I used didn't work for me (except in that oval track, where it was very good). I promise next time I will only enter if I feel confident I can drive the chosen car in the chosen tracks :dopey:
 
Thanks for the Monza results Mario. Good enough--I'll post it. And I feel your pain about Miami. The oval races seem to face more lag issues in this game than the road courses. Between punters and lag, this weekend's event left me more frustrated than anything.

(As a personal note, I did mention that finding a good setup for this car was REALLY tough). :)
 
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