Score! 1966 Ford Mustang hardtop, 3 speed, 6cyl

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MJust today, I found a guy in a neighborhood across the street is selling a dark red (possibly a solid velvet red) 1966 Mustang 6 cylinder 3 speed. I guess my dad talked to the guy (I was busy today) and he said he was asking $6700, as that's what's been put in the car since 1993.

I checked it out myself, and it looks pretty good: a couple paint cracks in the hood and inside of where the front quarter-panels and hood meet (both panels), ugly shag seats or seat covers (trust me, you'd be grossed out), steel wheels (I'm unsure what they're called, but they're black and look like a rim without a hubcap), 3000 miles put on it by him (don't know the mileage). Some new bits: Battery, brakes, slightly tinted windows, paint, front alignment, rev counter and many other bits - has the receipts for them all (minus the alignment) and has them listed on a paper in the window (pretty good sized list too).

Haven't seen under the hood yet, but so far it looks pretty clean, though $6700 seems too high (we're rather low-ish on money), especially for the condition its in. I'd say $5500-6000, but I'm unsure and don't want to piss of the owner IF my dad decides to buy it (for me :D). I looked on Hemmings and many in good condition are going for $10,000+ with a couple in decent shape going for $3000-$8000.

Err...sorry for the lack of pictures, didn't bother to bring a camera, but I can run down real quick and snap a couple pictures.

PS: Any tips to convince my dad to buy it? He seems interested (my mom didn't even respond), though I can tell he doesn't want to spend more money on a car for me (already owe him $3500 for my truck).

Edit: Thought it was a '67, its a '66. Sorry! Pictures are in post #12. Also, upon a VIN lookup, its a hardtop and is (or was) a 289 2V.

Last edit: Scored a deal at $6500! It turns out tough that the engine is a 250ci from a '79/'80 Mustang. Also has some other minor flaws like sometimes self canceling signals, intermittently working passenger lock, and using a switch for reverse lights (lol), but everything else is ok, good, or great! THANKS A BUNCH GUYS!
 
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Well, you could tell your Dad how good of a deal he's getting considering the guy's only asking for $6,700. Funny about that whole situation you're in there, I'm trying to buy a '65 Ford Mustang coupe from my friend, which is currently rusting away in his backyard. But anyway, like I said you should show your Dad the prices of other '67 fastbacks on eBay or something that are in the same condition and show him how much money you can save. $6,700 is a really good price :drool:. The seller of that car could get more out of it if he wanted to, even though it doesn't have a 289 V8 like some fastbacks. Hell, some fastback shells go for 10,000-15,000 alone.
 
sell truck,
aqcuire pony car,
save money,
drop in a big block,
profit.
 
Sell truck,
acquire pony car,
put in six speed,
save money,
profit.

While having a V8 in everything is nice not every car from the sixties needs to have a V8.
 
dont listen to the man in the post above.

DROP.

IN.

BIG-BLOCK.
 
Sounds like a money pit is just what you need.
 
I'd like to think that I'm decently qualified to help.

Please take lots of pictures and post them. Take pictures of the exterior, the paint cracks, under the hood, the interior, the trunk, under the car, the suspension, the brakes. The more you can document, the better of an idea you can get as to what the car is really worth.

Fastbacks are valuable. Depending on your available time and money, you might end up with something that truly special. You should take the time to evaluate what you want to do with this car. Do you have the motivation to work on it for weeks at a time without it being able to run? Do you have the money?

Big Block
A V8 conversion on a classic Mustang is a huge undertaking. It will be time consuming, expensive, and difficult. You will need to change out basically everything that moves on the car. Here's a list.

http://www.mustangandfords.com/howto/127_0412_six_cylinder_eight_swap/viewall.html

If you want a V8 Mustang, my advice is to buy a Mustang that was some sort of V8 from the get-go.

If you do get the car, it's going to be a lot of fun.
 
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GET IT. You may never have the chance to get one that cheap again in your life. I would KILL to be in your position. You may not need to drop in a big block. A small block with a relatively small build can put out the same power (if not more) and weigh less up front. If you put a small block in, I'd go with a 351W or a 351C. 302's and 289's are nice but the latter are better. From there you can build them up to a 427 if you so choose. The 6 that is in that is bullit proof anyway, they NEVER DIE. I had a 300 and that bitch lasted forever.


As far as the 3 speed, it's either got a C6 or C4 transmission since it's an automatic. Both are great transmissions, probably some of the best that ever came from Ford. I'd keep it, even though it's an auto.
 
Don't bother, with that money you could get a nice M3.
 
Thanks a bunch guys! :)

I'll try to convince my dad, though I don't think he'll budge since we are a bit poor-ish. I've been bugging him about getting a project car/older car since god knows when.

No I will not drop a big block in it. A 289 maybe, but definitely not a big block. It currently has a 200 (that makes about as much power as my truck) mated to a manual 3 speed.

I will grab some pictures soon, I know it's hard to judge a car's value by description alone :).
 
Thanks a bunch guys! :)

I'll try to convince my dad, though I don't think he'll budge since we are a bit poor-ish. I've been bugging him about getting a project car/older car since god knows when.

No I will not drop a big block in it. A 289 maybe, but definitely not a big block. It currently has a 200 (that makes about as much power as my truck) mated to a manual 3 speed.

I will grab some pictures soon, I know it's hard to judge a car's value by description alone :).

289's are nice engines. If you end up up dropping a 289 in, best to build it if it's a raw block. However if you get it all together you could probably just leave it stock.
 
Don't bother, with that money you could get a nice M3.
And with that nice M3, I could make a nice BBQ.

On topic: Got some pictures, but ImageShack is playing dumb and won't let me upload them. Each picture is roughly 2mb and a zip file with all of them is 19mb :O.

Edit: Fixed. I guess in all my craziness over it, I got it confused - its a '66, not a '67.
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And with that nice M3, I could make a nice BBQ.

On topic: Got some pictures, but ImageShack is playing dumb and won't let me upload them. Each picture is roughly 2mb and a zip file with all of them is 19mb :O.

Try photobucket.

Take the Mustang over the M3, it's nicer, has potential to perform better and it's a chick magnet.
 
Pictures are up. Just had to use ImageShack's old upload.
 
That's a coupe, not a fastback lol. That is in near mint condition. YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND GET THAT DAMN THING BEFORE IT'S GONE. Holy hell I would kill to own that


This is a 66 fastback:


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That's a coupe, not a fastback lol. That is in near mint condition. YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND GET THAT DAMN THING BEFORE IT'S GONE. Holy hell I would kill to own that

Yeah, I realized that after a quick search. My dad's quite reluctant though, we "don't have the money to buy stuff like that" as he says.

For some reason, I can just smell BS (from my dad that is).


ALSO: According to this site :http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/students/Blommel/66.htm the car is/was a 289 2V (the VIN is 6F07C352131). I'm so lost...
 
Sell your truck for it.
 
And with that nice M3, I could make a nice BBQ.

Altough I think the price is a bit steep, this reply was awesome 👍.

ALSO: According to this site :http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/students/Blommel/66.htm the car is/was a 289 2V (the VIN is 6F07C352131). I'm so lost...

Lots of people did this, when they realized the gas mileage of the V8 was pretty bad, they swapped out the V8 and dropped in a 6. I know at least two HEMI cars here in Mexico with that treatment, sadly. In Mustangs it is far more common.
 
Altough I think the price is a bit steep, this reply was awesome 👍.



Lots of people did this, when they realized the gas mileage of the V8 was pretty bad, they swapped out the V8 and dropped in a 6. I know at least two HEMI cars here in Mexico with that treatment, sadly. In Mustangs it is far more common.

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Where could I find a 289 and the transmission to go with it? Would I have to find a donor car? Craigslist? eBay?
 
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Where could I find a 289 and the transmission to go with it? Would I have to find a donor car? Craigslist? eBay?

Let me start off by saying that it appears that you've lucked out. You see how there are 5 lug nuts on the wheels? That's a V8 part. Hopefully this means that you won't have to convert very much on this car to turn it back into a V8

Depending on what the other parts are (radiator, front suspension, etc.) It could be comparatively easy process to swap in a V8.

Why do you want a 289? If you're looking for a period-correct car then fine, but 302's have much better aftermarket support.

With the car the way it currently is, you could drive it daily and build the V8 in your garage until it's ready for a swap.
 
Love it!

If it had been a 289 originally, wouldn't it have the 289 badges on the font wings? - doesn't look like it's ever had them on.

Having said that, it does look remarkedly original. A 289 would keep it that way, but i imagine a 302 would be both cheaper and easier to get hold of.
 
Let me start off by saying that it appears that you've lucked out. You see how there are 5 lug nuts on the wheels? That's a V8 part. Hopefully this means that you won't have to convert very much on this car to turn it back into a V8

Depending on what the other parts are (radiator, front suspension, etc.) It could be comparatively easy process to swap in a V8.

Why do you want a 289? If you're looking for a period-correct car then fine, but 302's have much better aftermarket support.

With the car the way it currently is, you could drive it daily and build the V8 in your garage until it's ready for a swap.
That's what I've been thinking if it was once a V8: just drive it as is until an engine is found, build it, and stick it in.

As for the 302: I don't know. Yes, a big engine would be cool, but I'm thinking of possibly restoring it to a nicer state than it's in right now. I'll think about it though.


Selling my truck isn't really an option. It was once my dad's dad's truck (no typo) who passed away a couple years ago, and I'm certain it would kill my dad to let go of it. I could give it a shot though.
 
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As for the 302: I don't know. Yes, a big engine would be cool, but I'm thinking of possibly restoring it to a nicer state than it's in right now. I'll think about it though.

A 302 isn't a big engine. 13ci of difference is nothing. I believe that the outer dimensions are the same as well.

The only reason to put a 289 in a classic Mustang is if you're planning on doing a restoration, otherwise the 302 will serve you better for less.
 
Your transmission that is in it now will hold up a 289, and most other small blocks. If it had a 289 it should have had the badge in the front fender. If you go V8 I'd go with a 351W, it's better than a 302 however both are great engines with large aftermaket support. For a few hundred bucks you can make that car scream. A 302 is nothing compared to a 427+. Trust me. If you leave it stock (even with some builds you can still get this) you can get anywhere from 12-18mpg in it, with the V8. I can't imagine that 6 doing much better.


EDIT: I have that exact steering wheel cover in my truck, which is from 1985 lol. EXACTLY the same.
 
Your transmission that is in it now will hold up a 289, and most other small blocks. If it had a 289 it should have had the badge in the front fender. If you go V8 I'd go with a 351W, it's better than a 302 however both are great engines with large aftermaket support. For a few hundred bucks you can make that car scream. A 302 is nothing compared to a 427+. Trust me. If you leave it stock (even with some builds you can still get this) you can get anywhere from 12-18mpg in it, with the V8. I can't imagine that 6 doing much better.


EDIT: I have that exact steering wheel cover in my truck, which is from 1985 lol. EXACTLY the same.

The 351 is externally different and he might encounter some clearance issues, whereas the 302 and the 289 are practically the same externally. I agree that the 351 can be a very hot engine, but it isn't as easy as swapping in a 302 in an early car, and it seems that the owner-to-be doesn't have much of an idea of what he's getting into, lol.

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I concur with Zenith, the 302 is your better choice, and come on, finding one for chips and peanuts is the easiest thing to do, you're not talking about a rare engine, Ford made millions upon millions of small blocks and put them everywhere.

Look for some online guides to find out what year is the most desirable in terms of what the factory gave you (some 302s in later-model Mustangs came with forged pistons, slightly hotter cams, etc) and go from there with Craigslist, E-Bay or your favorite junkyard.

If you only want a V8 that will sound the part and all that but do not care too much about how strong it runs, ANY 302 will do and will be cheaper to get and build than a 289.
 
The 351 is externally different and he might encounter some clearance issues, whereas the 302 and the 289 are practically the same externally. I agree that the 351 can be a very hot engine, but it isn't as easy as swapping in a 302 in an early car, and it seems that the owner-to-be doesn't have much of an idea of what he's getting into, lol.

It will fit no problem. I know people who have done it. Fox bodies on the other hand...The 351W is the same as both the 289 and 302 pretty much, the only real difference is the size of the block, intake and heads really. Some ran on a different firing order. Sure there is a few more things but they aren't nearly as big. (Maybe timing)
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I concur with Zenith, the 302 is your better choice, and come on, finding one for chips and peanuts is the easiest thing to do, you're not talking about a rare engine, Ford made millions upon millions of small blocks and put them everywhere.

Look for some online guides to find out what year is the most desirable in terms of what the factory gave you (some 302s in later-model Mustangs came with forged pistons, slightly hotter cams, etc) and go from there with Craigslist, E-Bay or your favorite junkyard.

Don't forget 4V engines that had some other stuff in them.

If you only want a V8 that will sound the part and all that but do not care too much about how strong it runs, ANY 302 will do and will be cheaper to get and build than a 289.

This. Any pre-1975 302 is better than after. Same goes for the 351 (excluding mid '90s roller blocks).

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Quick update: My dad talked to the guy and set up a test drive tomorrow...assuming its still there. Just went down to see if we could do so today and it's ether put away or already sold (:().

I was wrong on my truck though, my dad wouldn't mind selling it. A good $3000-$4000 right there.


A few more details: the car was once yellow and repainted red. Tall bucket seats (I think that's what he said) were put in. Once an automatic with the 289. He has the hubcaps for it too.

Seems like we have a green light. My dad says he has a gut feeling its a good car (same with me). My mom has had enough of our 15-20 min talk in the pool (typical mom?). It's in FAR etter condition than a $500 Nova II rolling corpse without a heart we found last year. ME WANT!

Edit:We secured a deal! $6500! :D
 
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YOU LUCKY BASTARD

Have fun with it!
 
That's good to hear. If you do go to a junkyard to find an engine, try to find one in a car that has been crashed.

Note: I posted under the assumption that the car came with a 6. Since it didn't I think he should put a V8 in it sometime soon.
 
Quick update: My dad talked to the guy and set up a test drive tomorrow...assuming its still there. Just went down to see if we could do so today and it's ether put away or already sold (:().

I was wrong on my truck though, my dad wouldn't mind selling it. A good $3000-$4000 right there.


A few more details: the car was once yellow and repainted red. Tall bucket seats (I think that's what he said) were put in. Once an automatic with the 289. He has the hubcaps for it too.

Seems like we have a green light. My dad says he has a gut feeling its a good car (same with me). My mom has had enough of our 15-20 min talk in the pool (typical mom?). It's in FAR etter condition than a $500 Nova II rolling corpse without a heart we found last year. ME WANT!

Edit:We secured a deal! $6500! :D

Congrats 👍 i'm quite jealous :grumpy:
 
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