SEAT Ibiza FR spypics

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And look another person agrees with my viewpoint
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The second quote flat out says that Volkswagen doesn't want internal competition at this time. The third quote says that there would be too much overlap in the NA market to start one of the brands here and he says that SEAT doesn't actually have that much of a niche in its own market. So you essentially got two people that agree that it is impossible at this time to back up your claim that the brand is coming to America.
 
YSSMAN
Quite right... Two people in North America does not constitute a market. Most VW fans are just that... VW fans. Consequently, they wouldn't "trade down" if their life depended on it. Can't fault your logic for looking for evidence, but please, give it a rest. When you live in VW-friendly Michigan, you get a good sense for things that are on people's radar. SEAT isn't it for these VW fans...
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you are talking like VW drivers are like people who support a football team. Most people I know will buy a car that suits them best at that time. Just because a VW worked the best for them once doesnt mean it will once they are ready to trade in their car.

And going by the amount of Golf GTI's that have been traded in for leon cupra's its not actually trading down in many peoples eyes. SEAT's are superior performers than their VW equivelants. VW just come with better interiors and thats it.
 
But you just don't get that there isn't a market for more internal VW competition in the US?

You say SEAT are stealing Volkswagen sales - why would that encourage VW to bring them to the US? Others explained to you that VW is already struggling there. It would make sense to launch a competitor to another brand in a different niche, but it doesn't make sense to launch a competitor against yourself in a niche that's already low on sales - and with a virtually-unknown brand. Yes, admit it, SEAT means as much to the average American consumer as Plymouth does to a European.
 
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you are talking like VW drivers are like people who support a football team.
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Most VW fans in the U.S. are like people who support a football team. The brand has a very loyal following and very dedicated buyers, and the brand itself is more ingrained into American culture than many domestic car companies. Was there ever an entire culture surrounding any SEAT in Europe? You talking as if the majority of those who own VWs will simply trade them away for something better (especially when the SEAT equivalents are simply refocused rather than better) shows more than anything else how little you understand surrounding VW's position and standing in America.
 
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Most VW fans in the U.S. are like people who support a football team. The brand has a very loyal following and very dedicated buyers, and the brand itself is more ingrained into American culture than probably any other foreign make. Was there ever an entire culture surrounding any SEAT in Europe?
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Actually yes, but I'd like to address your prior statement. I think that this is the general "problem" that Seat would have in the US. Seats basically are VW's with a sportier approach, which is a good thing ... but ... simply put, the american VW fans don't want a sportier VW that's called Seat, they want a VW, because they are VW fans. Their fandom is with the brand, and not what's beneath it.
 
Did I just read a quote calling the Superb, which is nothing more than a rebadged Passat loved by taxi drivers all across Europe, quirky? Seriously?

Simply bringing 2 new badges over here won't triple sales. As far as I can tell, both Seat and Skoda don't have any unique cars in their lineup (in the sense that Audi has the TT, A4/5/6, Q5), and in North America, there just wouldn't be enough differentiating between the three brands. You could make an easier case for Seat, yes, but Skoda in particular seems like a bad idea.

It's pretty funny Poverty actually finds it hard to believe the typical American car buyer really is brand-loyal.
 
Lol @ Skoda remark. The Superb (which is just like the Octavia I presume) is just a poorer man's Passat. I'd like to get the Cupra and Ibiza over here, but that's only because I don't like the hatchbacks that are offered here. On the other hand, it wouldn't end up being so great because you just know we wouldn't get those great 1.9 TDI engines and the like that get like 40mpg and all that.
 
Deep down, everyone does, but you mustn't encourage forza2.0 :p
 
MustangSVT
Lol @ Skoda remark. The Superb (which is just like the Octavia I presume)
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The Octavia is a good car, the Superb is bigger and loved by taxi drivers, and that's about all you can say about it (apart from having a really daft name).

Quirky is certainly not a word I would use for it....

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...but I can think of a few others. Dull and stupid to look at and even more dull (and stupid) to drive. I have a passionate dislike of cars that have been made with this degree of engineered in mediocrity. The only reason it exists is so that drunk English people automatically know which car is the cab they booked, because only cabbies and the seriously unhinged will consider buying one.

Please American cousins, do not take this car as an example of what the European motor industry is capable of.

Sorry, but no to the Superb

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SEAT shows off the interior customisability options that will be available to customers on the base models, and one can naturally assume, will also be available on the FR and cupra versions.

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Is it just me or does the orange on the dash look extremely tacky? Like, you know, GM circa 2003 "Hey! Look at this! You can change the pillars on the Ion to make it cool!" tacky?
 
That's a damn nice interior actually. Don't mind the coloured dash, at least it's interesting. It could have been grey... The seats look brilliant too.
 
I think it is a poor taste color choice, but it was merely done on that car to show that SEAT owners could be in as poor taste as they wanted if they wanted to be. I think having the option to paint your car stupid colors from the factory is quite a good idea, so I commend SEAT for it.
 
I like everything but that steering wheel. Reminds me of the slab of plastic in a circle you get in a Dodge Journey. Bleeugh. Other than that (and ignoring the shouty shade of orange here), it looks good.
 
YSSMAN
Is it just me or does the orange on the dash look extremely tacky? Like, you know, GM circa 2003 "Hey! Look at this! You can change the pillars on the Ion to make it cool!" tacky?
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I like it, but that's probably because the exterior color matches.
 
I have always really liked different color stitching on seats and this case is no different. 👍

YSSMAN
Is it just me or does the orange on the dash look extremely tacky? Like, you know, GM circa 2003 "Hey! Look at this! You can change the pillars on the Ion to make it cool!" tacky?
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I do not know how I feel on the orange dash. I think it would probably look better if it were black to match the rest of the dash. But I do think I like the other touches of color on the door panels, shifter knob, and seat stitching.
 
I think the car looks great but the interior is horrid, I agree the steering wheel is odd like a slab.. they tried to go all R8 on us and failed. The standard Ibizas trim was stated in some reviews to be very dull, too much grey and wasnt all that high quality... what I do like are the merc SL style cluster housings.

Having the Orange makes the odd interior look a tad better actually because there is less grey!

Robin
 
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