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A car is a machine...
I don't like this idea, Because they will take over the world and become evil... And try to destroy human population.
A car is a machine...
A car is a machine...
I don't like this idea, Because they will take over the world and become evil... And try to destroy human population.
A machine operated by humans, which ironically, I don't trust either.
A machine operated by humans, which ironically, I don't trust either.
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As cool as it is, you absolutely cannot substitute a pair of human eyes and hands when behind the wheel of a car. You just can't. There is no replacement.
So, overall, I hate it.
Custom, then why are you even on the Internet or even using a computer.
Stop the presses.
Something tells me when you actually have a job and work your tune will change. There's more to life than tooling around in car with a manual.
Something tells me when you actually have a job and work your tune will change. There's more to life than tooling around in car with a manual.
I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?
I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?
I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?
The endgoal is for the vehicles to communicate with eachother, so a clear sightline isn't necessarily needed.
Thinking back to futuristic car shows from a couple years ago, I remember the shows talking about self-driving cars. One important thing they talked about was the problem if the technology were to suddenly stop working. Say you're going along the highway at 75 MPH, asleep in your car, letting it drive autonomously, when suddenly the driving computer stops working. Now, you're at the mercy of which way the wheels are pointing. This same scenario can be applied to mountainous roads or rocky areas.
I want people to remember this: When a machine makes a mistake or error, it will continue to repeat this error again and again until someone, or something stops it. A machine can't learn. The human race and every other animal on the planet learns from their mistakes so they know not to do it again.
That's what I'm afraid of. Computers didn't really have security issues until they were hooked up to the internet.
I've heard you can actually hack one of the newer keyless-entried, wirelessly-connected cars from a smartphone, why make it easier to take complete remote control by building self-driving functionality into the car?
I'll keep my nice, secure Sunbird, TYVM.
As cool as it is, you absolutely cannot substitute a pair of human eyes and hands when behind the wheel of a car. You just can't. There is no replacement.
A lot of people simply love to drive.
Taking that away from the human race over the next however many years and totally phasing out manual real human driving before younger kids can get to experience driving is a mistake in my eyes.
Read the book called The Giver if you want an idea where the world is going. The human factor in anything is slowly diminishing in many ways and will eventually be gone, and while I might not be around to see it, the world is seriously in trouble and is doomed to fail. If you can't see it, then you need your eyes checked.
Yep. We're sacrificing so much just to dive into a new age of ultra-laziness, as I'd like to call it. I fear that these are the small signs of the human race declining into a lazy, dull and unintelligent civilization in which all manual labor, easy or hard has become nothing but a simple automated process.
There's times when driving a car is great fun, and times when it's just a chore that needs to be done to get from A to B. I see nothing wrong with eliminating the chore part, because there's nothing that says it has to get rid of the fun part too.
Enthusiast cars will always exist, just like there's still enthusiast hikers, horse riders, sailors, and every other sort of transportation that is no longer strictly the most efficient but is still kind of fun.
There is still too much flaw for them to be effective, period. You still need to be alert and paying attention, no matter how long the trip. Making an automated car where you still have control over speed would be pointless because you really aren't gaining anything over a normal car, except for the fact it can steer itself, which, IDK about, but parts wear out and I for one am not willing to get into a car and have no control where at this rate won't even have a steering wheel in the next couple decades. Just no. I for one, and I'm sure others agree, do not want to live in a world where a car is a couple of seats and a bunch of buttons.
What is fun about them when they go a set speed and that speed only and you have absolutely no control over it all? All you do is punch in a GPS where you want to go and it takes you there. Sooner or later road speed limits are going to be programed into GPS units so the car knows what speed to travel. You get back to me when riding a train 35 mph is more fun than racing a couple of cars around a track.
While it may not come to this any time soon, there is no doubt in my mind that it will come to that eventually someday. It absolutely increases the laziness of society. Once they start giving us fully automated cars, what will be next? You going to come up with some sort of device that feeds me too because you don't want me to lift my arm to put food in my mouth? I mean come on dude. You may as well make everything automated and put people out of jobs even more than they've already done with robots and computers in the last 25 years. The average lifespan will begin shorten rapidly the more they come up with because we can't be bothered to be self sufficient.
I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?
👍 I'd like to say that i agree with pretty much everything you said, slipztrem.
Like I said, are we really going to hold back a technology that will improve quality of life and drastically increase road safety due to a minute chance that there might be a few accidents? I don't think you really grasp just how much safer the roads will be if you take the human element out of it. We entrust autopilot with 800,000+ pound Boeing 747's and you're afraid of letting it control a Yaris?
The difference is the internet and computers are set up to send and receive communications throughout the world, and allow you to make all kinds of changes to the security software and download malicious content. A car's system will be set up with a white list that allows it to only use information from certain sources that will have an elaborate encryption key to verify it. You won't be downloading torrents to your car.
Take the tinfoil hat off for a minute and look at the big picture. You're worried about the tiny tiny chance that someone will be able to hack your car (and get past the failsafe that will assuredly be there and allow you to take over) and you're seemingly not worried about the 30k-40k car accident related deaths in the US every year, of which 40% are caused by alcohol (when have you ever seen a drunk computer?).
I know you think you're being the devil's advocate and we're all rushing into something without looking at the consequence, but you're reminding me of the people afraid of flying and nuclear power who drive to the airport and live near a coal plant.
Speaking of nuclear power...
Well of course it's unproven, it's new technology. The question isn't if it will happen, it's when. There are already working prototypes of a self driving car, Google's fleet have driven 500,000 miles in the SF Bay Area in city traffic, with two accidents. The irony is that one accident occurred while a human was driving, and the other was when the car was rear ended at a stoplight. The Ford Focus already parks itself. Do you actually believe that this technology will never work? Cars themselves were unproven technology at one point.Not quite the same thing. There are a myriad of differences between driving and flying - and even if you don't think driving would be harder to autopilot, it's still different enough that you could still consider the technology unproven.
You're making my point for me. You're paranoid and worried that the gestapo or a crazy ex is going to hack your car, but you're seemingly not worried about the 40% of driving deaths related to drunk drivers that would pretty much be eliminated. You're disregarding a massive improvement in road safety because you're worried that someone some day will use it to kill you instead of just killing you with something else.If someone's determined enough, that won't stop them. Think crazy ex or (several decades in the future) secret police. The only failsafe I'll completely trust is a mechanical main kill switch that physically breaks a connection somewhere to prevent the autopilot system from giving input.
You're confusing personal computers with access to the internet, and a purpose built idiot proof system and network that's closed off from external sources. I also don't think you get the kind of tech these things will use, it's not going to be one sensor in each panel, there will be 360 degree coverage with lasers that will be constantly measuring and transmitting data to the car. This isn't going to be a weekend warrior modding his car, this is going to be something that some of the most intelligent and driven engineers in the world will work on, and you won't be torrenting to your car's self driving system.And no, I haven't seen a drunk computer, but I have seen them get slow or just start having errors for no apparent reason. Additionally, sensors and cameras can get old or dirty, or can be obstructed.
Nuclear power is for another thread, but once again, you're making my point for me. You're transfixed on these things that have an infinitesimal chance of happening while ignoring the massive problems with what we currently use, and the huge benefits of a change, and showing ignorance of the technology in question.Speaking of nuclear power...
Part of the problem with it is that it lulls you. It works perfectly fine... right up until it doesn't. Then the best place to be is on another continent, on the far side of a mountain range or two.
They also make me feel like getting anywhere quickly when I am driving myself will be difficult. Or easy, I'm not sure. It depends on how these automate cars organize themselves on the road. Are they all packed in tight, single-file, or are they staggered so as to leave enough room in front of and beside them for emergencies? Will I be able to outsmart these cars by driving too close and jerking to make them slow or stop to get out of my way? If they behave so predictably will I be able to draft them down the highway and get better mileage? What will they do if I tailgate them?