Self-driving cars - How do they make you feel?

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How do you feel about self-driving cars?

  • I can't wait!

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Sounds good

    Votes: 11 23.9%
  • Indifferent

    Votes: 10 21.7%
  • Do not want!

    Votes: 23 50.0%

  • Total voters
    46
I won't buy a self-driving car, but I think they're a great idea for people who have no desire to drive, and only want to get places. With the disinterested and unengaged drivers off of the controls, the roads will probably be safer for everyone -- I have no problem with that. As long as this doesn't eventually become mandated technology for all new cars.
 
A car is a machine...

A machine operated by humans, which ironically, I don't trust either.


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I don't like this idea, Because they will take over the world and become evil... And try to destroy human population.

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A machine operated by humans, which ironically, I don't trust either.

Custom, then why are you even on the Internet or even using a computer.
 
This will reduce the typical level of driving knowledge still further, waste time, money, and resources, crowd out legitimate manual-operation cars, and contribute to the already-rampant philosophy of "I don't care how fast my car goes or what size its engine is, just as long as it has __________ and __________." "Fun-to-drive" will be pretty much extinct, as most people will only do their own driving when they absolutely have to. Not to mention, this could introduce security vulnerabilities and potentially deadly software glitches - if there's one thing the general experience of driving wasn't missing, it's the irritation of turning on a device expecting to use it, only to see "a critical update is required before you can do anything at all. U mad bro?"

So, overall, I hate it.
 
As cool as it is, you absolutely cannot substitute a pair of human eyes and hands when behind the wheel of a car. You just can't. There is no replacement.

Yes you can and yes there is. When we start seeing widespread implementation of self driving cars the crash stats will fall dramatically. Humans get tired, they get mad, they get upset when their girlfriend breaks up with them, they get hungry, they get emotional, they get happy, they get argumentative, all of these things happen while driving and contribute to how much we suck at it. Computers read and react in milliseconds. I don't know how you can honestly believe we won't be able to make self driving cars that are better than human drivers. It really is as simple as that, humans get distracted by tons of things, and even if we aren't distracted we don't have the reaction time that compares to a computer and laser sensors.

It's going to happen, and it's not because of a tyrannical government making us all lazy, it's because after a long day at work the commute home really sucks. This will be one of the biggest quality of life improvements since the car itself, instead of working until 5, sitting in traffic stressed out for an hour and getting home at 6, you'll get out of work at 5 and immediately be able to sit back and relax. When you want to take a long distance trip to see friends and family, instead of arriving tired from the drive, you can rest and relax on the way there and arrive with energy to do things.

So, overall, I hate it.

Stop the presses.

Something tells me when you actually have a job and work your tune will change. There's more to life than tooling around in car with a manual.
 
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Stop the presses.

Something tells me when you actually have a job and work your tune will change. There's more to life than tooling around in car with a manual.

I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?
 
Something tells me when you actually have a job and work your tune will change. There's more to life than tooling around in car with a manual.

But what a great part of life it is.

I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?

There'll probably be a manual override in case the equipment goofs up, but no one will ever use it unless the equipment goofs up, so there'll still be no enjoyment because there'll be no reason to add any.
 
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I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?

Automation would be something you could turn on or off like cruise control. I highly doubt you'll see a fully automated car with no manual input available for a very long time, if at all.
 
I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?

Are we seriously going to restrict a technology that could revolutionize the world because a small percentage of people have fun driving? Most people don't care. They live a distance from work and a car exists to take them there and back. The driving enthusiast is a small part of the market, I enjoy driving, but driving from my house to the airport in Toronto on 5 lane highways isn't exactly exhilarating. This is where automation would be useful.

And as Joey said, it's very very doubtful that within any of our lifetimes you won't be able to drive manually. It's also very doubtful that self driving cars will eliminate racing or car enthusiasts, mudding, etc etc. The car's been around for 100 years, there's still horse races and a huge culture around horseback riding and equestrian sports. NASCAR won't go away just because we have self driving Corollas.
 
I think for most roads (2 lane opposing traffic) there are too many unknown and unpredictable variables to account for for a linear thinking computer to deal with....currently, 100 years from now who knows. Also will any optical or laser sensors even work after a butterfly or June bug splatters all over it ?
 
The end goal is for the vehicles to communicate with eachother, so a clear sightline isn't necessarily needed.
 
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I'm indifferent, as long as we have a choice whether to use it or not :)

I can see how useful it may be on long trips, however there's something satisfying about being in control as well.
 
I've always been fascinated by the idea of self-driving cars, and it feels like it has only recently been recognized as a new technology. I question the sensation that's felt when riding in one those cars.

This might be a gamble, but hey, I bet the computers drive a heck of a lot better then some drivers on the road today.
 
What about parts of the world that have poorly designed road networks so by following basic road rules you'd actually lose time on your commute.

Also, you can relax and sleep in planes on Auto Pilot but can you relax and sleep in an automated car? doubt that which probably means you will still somewhat concentrating on the road(which defeats the purpose since automatic cars now are so easy to drive)

Using it for a Highway that isn't filled with cars and is immune to stuff like sudden animal crossings and Landslides sure why not.

I love driving as much as the next guy but for sure in a country like Egypt if there is Tech that will get me there 100% safely and on Time without me lifting a finger then I'd welcome it, the issue is wether I'll trust it and the answer is simply no.
 
The endgoal is for the vehicles to communicate with eachother, so a clear sightline isn't necessarily needed.

That's what I'm afraid of. Computers didn't really have security issues until they were hooked up to the internet.

I've heard you can actually hack one of the newer keyless-entried, wirelessly-connected cars from a smartphone, why make it easier to take complete remote control by building self-driving functionality into the car?

I'll keep my nice, secure Sunbird, TYVM.
 
Thinking back to futuristic car shows from a couple years ago, I remember the shows talking about self-driving cars. One important thing they talked about was the problem if the technology were to suddenly stop working. Say you're going along the highway at 75 MPH, asleep in your car, letting it drive autonomously, when suddenly the driving computer stops working. Now, you're at the mercy of which way the wheels are pointing. This same scenario can be applied to mountainous roads or rocky areas.

Situation 1:

Tired driver falls asleep at the wheel. Car has no auto mode. Car goes off cliff.

Situation 2:
Tired driver falls asleep at the wheel. Car auto mode engages. Driver wakes up at destination.

You can imagine any crazy situation you want, but when this perfected it will undoubtedly be safer than you yourself driving. As with most other things, people are scared because it's new.

I want people to remember this: When a machine makes a mistake or error, it will continue to repeat this error again and again until someone, or something stops it. A machine can't learn. The human race and every other animal on the planet learns from their mistakes so they know not to do it again.

Not really.





Also, I'll keep my car in manual mode.
 
As long as I can still manually control the vehicle when I choose to, I really like the idea. One thing I really dislike about driving is how many times in a day my life is potentially put at risk by other, clueless drivers - removing that factor alone would make a typical working day a lot more enjoyable for me.

Then there's how much time it would save, roughly 2-3 hours per day in my case, because I would be able to complete paperwork en route to a job site. I could work 12-18 hours less a week, and still get the same amount of work done!

Where do I sign!?
 
That's what I'm afraid of. Computers didn't really have security issues until they were hooked up to the internet.

I've heard you can actually hack one of the newer keyless-entried, wirelessly-connected cars from a smartphone, why make it easier to take complete remote control by building self-driving functionality into the car?

I'll keep my nice, secure Sunbird, TYVM.

Like I said, are we really going to hold back a technology that will improve quality of life and drastically increase road safety due to a minute chance that there might be a few accidents? I don't think you really grasp just how much safer the roads will be if you take the human element out of it. We entrust autopilot with 800,000+ pound Boeing 747's and you're afraid of letting it control a Yaris? The difference is the internet and computers are set up to send and receive communications throughout the world, and allow you to make all kinds of changes to the security software and download malicious content. A car's system will be set up with a white list that allows it to only use information from certain sources that will have an elaborate encryption key to verify it. You won't be downloading torrents to your car.

Take the tinfoil hat off for a minute and look at the big picture. You're worried about the tiny tiny chance that someone will be able to hack your car (and get past the failsafe that will assuredly be there and allow you to take over) and you're seemingly not worried about the 30k-40k car accident related deaths in the US every year, of which 40% are caused by alcohol (when have you ever seen a drunk computer?). I know you think you're being the devil's advocate and we're all rushing into something without looking at the consequence, but you're reminding me of the people afraid of flying and nuclear power who drive to the airport and live near a coal plant.
 
As cool as it is, you absolutely cannot substitute a pair of human eyes and hands when behind the wheel of a car. You just can't. There is no replacement.

You're absolutely right. A computer and some cameras won't take their eyes off the road to ogle a pretty girl in a dress in the summer months. They won't have the imprecise inputs to the wheel that the average driver has. It certainly won't need to answer this phone call "really quickly, I've done this a bunch of times before".

A lot of people simply love to drive.

A minority of drivers do.

Taking that away from the human race over the next however many years and totally phasing out manual real human driving before younger kids can get to experience driving is a mistake in my eyes.

Who said anything about removing it permanently?

Read the book called The Giver if you want an idea where the world is going. The human factor in anything is slowly diminishing in many ways and will eventually be gone, and while I might not be around to see it, the world is seriously in trouble and is doomed to fail. If you can't see it, then you need your eyes checked.

So, a fictional book made for middle schoolers? The dystopic genre makes for great cautionary reading, but let's be real here.

Yep. We're sacrificing so much just to dive into a new age of ultra-laziness, as I'd like to call it. I fear that these are the small signs of the human race declining into a lazy, dull and unintelligent civilization in which all manual labor, easy or hard has become nothing but a simple automated process.

If I have hours upon hours of dull highway driving in front of me, getting to sleep on the way there so that I'm well rested instead of cutting into my time at the destination seems like a plus, not a minus, to me. And that doesn't even touch on the concept of cars communicating amongst themselves to aid traffic flow. Lazy/poor drivers are the reason we have such lousy traffic jams in major cities; the amount of time that could be saved with automated systems would be huge.

There's times when driving a car is great fun, and times when it's just a chore that needs to be done to get from A to B. I see nothing wrong with eliminating the chore part, because there's nothing that says it has to get rid of the fun part too.

Enthusiast cars will always exist, just like there's still enthusiast hikers, horse riders, sailors, and every other sort of transportation that is no longer strictly the most efficient but is still kind of fun.

A thousand times this. Automated cars could satisfy a number of current demands for the automobile, and leave the enthusiast market to continue to serve those who crave it. Just like the examples Imari mentioned.

There is still too much flaw for them to be effective, period. You still need to be alert and paying attention, no matter how long the trip. Making an automated car where you still have control over speed would be pointless because you really aren't gaining anything over a normal car, except for the fact it can steer itself, which, IDK about, but parts wear out and I for one am not willing to get into a car and have no control where at this rate won't even have a steering wheel in the next couple decades. Just no. I for one, and I'm sure others agree, do not want to live in a world where a car is a couple of seats and a bunch of buttons.

There's too many flaws in human drivers, but we allow them on the road. What are you getting at with parts wearing out, too? Because I'm willing to bet the majority of drivers are worse on their cars in a wear-and-tear sense than an optimized automated car would be. I don't think you have anything to worry about with the wheel disappearing either; it still makes the most sense as an input device, so long as cars will still be on the road and not flying. Sure, some folks at Mercedes have played with a joystick, and there was the drive-by-wire rage in concepts a decade ago that meant you could move the wheel from one passenger to the other, but nothing more has come of those.

What is fun about them when they go a set speed and that speed only and you have absolutely no control over it all? All you do is punch in a GPS where you want to go and it takes you there. Sooner or later road speed limits are going to be programed into GPS units so the car knows what speed to travel. You get back to me when riding a train 35 mph is more fun than racing a couple of cars around a track.

You get back to me when riding an escalator down at the mall is more fun than skydiving. What, did someone say that's a ridiculous comparison? Automation has nothing to do with racing; it has to do with how cars the world over are utilized the majority of the time; as a form of transportation. Your commute shouldn't be as fun as racing a bunch of cars around a track; if you're racing other cars heading to work, you're a danger to yourself and others on the road. And personally, I'd rather skip the boring drudgery of the point-A-to-point-B driving so that I can focus on the fun parts of cars more, in controlled environments where, by dint of automation weeding out the commuters, I'd be surrounded by those like-minded individuals who get it too.

While it may not come to this any time soon, there is no doubt in my mind that it will come to that eventually someday. It absolutely increases the laziness of society. Once they start giving us fully automated cars, what will be next? You going to come up with some sort of device that feeds me too because you don't want me to lift my arm to put food in my mouth? I mean come on dude. You may as well make everything automated and put people out of jobs even more than they've already done with robots and computers in the last 25 years. The average lifespan will begin shorten rapidly the more they come up with because we can't be bothered to be self sufficient.

...which is why the average lifespan has shot up drastically in the past 100 years, only recently hitting a plateau precisely because we're already shoveling too much food into our mouths.

Also, isn't this topic about automated cars, not some tinfoil-hat idea about what might happen in other aspects of life?

I actually think he has a fair point there. I mean think about it. Fun to drive would be extinct if the car is controlling itself. If there is no human interaction then what fun is driving?

This isn't a chose one or the other scenario; there's no reason to think both could exist.
 
👍 I'd like to say that I agree with pretty much everything you said, SlipZtrEm.
 
Like I said, are we really going to hold back a technology that will improve quality of life and drastically increase road safety due to a minute chance that there might be a few accidents? I don't think you really grasp just how much safer the roads will be if you take the human element out of it. We entrust autopilot with 800,000+ pound Boeing 747's and you're afraid of letting it control a Yaris?

Not quite the same thing. There are a myriad of differences between driving and flying - and even if you don't think driving would be harder to autopilot, it's still different enough that you could still consider the technology unproven.

The difference is the internet and computers are set up to send and receive communications throughout the world, and allow you to make all kinds of changes to the security software and download malicious content. A car's system will be set up with a white list that allows it to only use information from certain sources that will have an elaborate encryption key to verify it. You won't be downloading torrents to your car.

Take the tinfoil hat off for a minute and look at the big picture. You're worried about the tiny tiny chance that someone will be able to hack your car (and get past the failsafe that will assuredly be there and allow you to take over) and you're seemingly not worried about the 30k-40k car accident related deaths in the US every year, of which 40% are caused by alcohol (when have you ever seen a drunk computer?).

If someone's determined enough, that won't stop them. Think crazy ex or (several decades in the future) secret police. The only failsafe I'll completely trust is a mechanical main kill switch that physically breaks a connection somewhere to prevent the autopilot system from giving input.

And no, I haven't seen a drunk computer, but I have seen them get slow or just start having errors for no apparent reason. Additionally, sensors and cameras can get old or dirty, or can be obstructed.

I know you think you're being the devil's advocate and we're all rushing into something without looking at the consequence, but you're reminding me of the people afraid of flying and nuclear power who drive to the airport and live near a coal plant.

Speaking of nuclear power...

Part of the problem with it is that it lulls you. It works perfectly fine... right up until it doesn't. Then the best place to be is on another continent, on the far side of a mountain range or two.
 
It's cool, but I'll never use it. Unless it's a ≥5 hour trip.
 
It would be tempting to get my own car to chauffeur mine and my friends' drunk arses home from the nightclubs.
 
They make me feel like mundane drives to work or to get food will be much more comfortable. Then again, I drive the least comfortable car on the planet.

They also make me feel like getting anywhere quickly when I am driving myself will be difficult. Or easy, I'm not sure. It depends on how these automate cars organize themselves on the road. Are they all packed in tight, single-file, or are they staggered so as to leave enough room in front of and beside them for emergencies? Will I be able to outsmart these cars by driving too close and jerking to make them slow or stop to get out of my way? If they behave so predictably will I be able to draft them down the highway and get better mileage? What will they do if I tailgate them?

I don't know, it could be terrible or it could be amazing fun.
 
Not quite the same thing. There are a myriad of differences between driving and flying - and even if you don't think driving would be harder to autopilot, it's still different enough that you could still consider the technology unproven.
Well of course it's unproven, it's new technology. The question isn't if it will happen, it's when. There are already working prototypes of a self driving car, Google's fleet have driven 500,000 miles in the SF Bay Area in city traffic, with two accidents. The irony is that one accident occurred while a human was driving, and the other was when the car was rear ended at a stoplight. The Ford Focus already parks itself. Do you actually believe that this technology will never work? Cars themselves were unproven technology at one point.
If someone's determined enough, that won't stop them. Think crazy ex or (several decades in the future) secret police. The only failsafe I'll completely trust is a mechanical main kill switch that physically breaks a connection somewhere to prevent the autopilot system from giving input.
You're making my point for me. You're paranoid and worried that the gestapo or a crazy ex is going to hack your car, but you're seemingly not worried about the 40% of driving deaths related to drunk drivers that would pretty much be eliminated. You're disregarding a massive improvement in road safety because you're worried that someone some day will use it to kill you instead of just killing you with something else.

A crazy ex can just cut your brake lines or break into your house at night. The secret police can rig your car with explosives, shoot you, kidnap you, arrest you, listen to your phone calls and find somewhere to ambush you, or...cut your brake lines. It's not like sabotaging a car is something that doesn't exist these days. I'd rather live with the very minute possibility that a crazy ex of mine somehow finds a way to hack my car than the risk of getting killed by a drunk or moronic driver.

And no, I haven't seen a drunk computer, but I have seen them get slow or just start having errors for no apparent reason. Additionally, sensors and cameras can get old or dirty, or can be obstructed.
You're confusing personal computers with access to the internet, and a purpose built idiot proof system and network that's closed off from external sources. I also don't think you get the kind of tech these things will use, it's not going to be one sensor in each panel, there will be 360 degree coverage with lasers that will be constantly measuring and transmitting data to the car. This isn't going to be a weekend warrior modding his car, this is going to be something that some of the most intelligent and driven engineers in the world will work on, and you won't be torrenting to your car's self driving system.

Speaking of nuclear power...

Part of the problem with it is that it lulls you. It works perfectly fine... right up until it doesn't. Then the best place to be is on another continent, on the far side of a mountain range or two.
Nuclear power is for another thread, but once again, you're making my point for me. You're transfixed on these things that have an infinitesimal chance of happening while ignoring the massive problems with what we currently use, and the huge benefits of a change, and showing ignorance of the technology in question.

They also make me feel like getting anywhere quickly when I am driving myself will be difficult. Or easy, I'm not sure. It depends on how these automate cars organize themselves on the road. Are they all packed in tight, single-file, or are they staggered so as to leave enough room in front of and beside them for emergencies? Will I be able to outsmart these cars by driving too close and jerking to make them slow or stop to get out of my way? If they behave so predictably will I be able to draft them down the highway and get better mileage? What will they do if I tailgate them?

They'll probably make it harder to zip and weave through traffic, but overall I would imagine it would be much smoother traffic flow with self driving cars. Self driving cars don't slow down to look at an accident on the other side of the highway, hog the left lane at 10 under the speed limit, or have no clue how to merge safely. They'll probably be packed tighter because of how much faster the reaction time would be, and will conceivably work in a way that they draft each other. You'd probably see the highways working as a train of cars because they don't need to be 2-3 seconds away from each other. I'd also imagine it will be illegal to drive like a douche and try to screw with them.
 
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