Several explosions on London Underground

[DQuaN]

^ And alot of Londoners opinion as well now I would expect.

 

[Touring Mars]

I agree, but it's not that easy, is it? The thing about the terrorists, even if we capture the leader(Osama Bin Laden in this case?), they'll keep on coming. Even if we destroy the whole Al Qaeda group, "terrorists" will keep on coming.

I like Famine's attitude toward the terrorists. Right now, no matter how upsetting we are, I think we have to keep calm. Also, there are so much going on in the world right now, I'm not even sure if it's as simple as p*ssed off terrorists attacking London. Even if that's what the news will report, there always could be more than they are telling us or able to tell us.

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Exactly... Al Qaeda is at best a pretty loose definition - Bin Laden me be the pin-up boy of Islamic terrorists the world over, but he doesn't preside over these terrorist groups any more than we do - and he has no control over them or their warped agendas...

As for the terrorists claim that the city is rife with panic and fear, that is just total b*llocks... as Famine rightly points out, Britain has seen alot worse than these arrogant feckers, so we won't be running and hiding from the Al-Qaeda bogeyman - and yes, there will always be terrorism for as long as we are prepared to stand up for our right to a free and open, civilised society...

 

[G.T]

Amen to that...!

edit: 45 confirmed dead so far, and over 1,000 injured... sympathies and thoughts to everyone affected...

Where are you getting your info from?

The BBC channel and website still say 33 were killed...

 

[a6m5]

As for the terrorists claim that the city is rife with panic and fear, that is just total b*llocks... as Famine rightly points out, Britain has seen alot worse than these arrogant feckers, so we won't be running and hiding from the Al-Qaeda bogeyman - and yes, there will always be terrorism for as long as we are prepared to stand up for our right to a free and open, civilised society...

👍 One thing that's been talked about in the U.S. alot, after the 9/11 Attack is that we can't live in fear. That is exactly what the terrorists are aiming for. All we can do at this point is to live our lives normally. I don't think I can ever, never understand the mindset of these terrorists. What do you think you are going to accomplish by killing innocent civilians. All they are going to do is to help support the cause in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which is why I said in my earlier post, I'm not sure if all this is as simple as it seems(don't read into it too much though).

Edit:

Where are you getting your info from?

The BBC channel and website still say 33 were killed...

I heard at least 40 dead, when I woke up like an hour ago. My guess is probably at least 20 more will be dead on top of that, unfortunately.

 

[Event]

Wow, How did I miss this? I need to get the news, more...

 

[Touring Mars]

Where are you getting your info from?

The BBC channel and website still say 33 were killed...

LBC, a local London radio station... they had a press conference with the emergency services about 30 minutes ago... there are no confirmed figures from the bus bombing yet... apparently 21 people were killed at one underground station alone... I didn't hear which one...

edit: Hamas condemn London bombings - from Reuters..

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0791441.htm

Don't know what to say about that really.... are we supposed to be grateful?

 

[G.T]

apparently 21 people were killed at one underground station alone... I didn't hear which one...

That's King's Cross station.

 

[911_Carrera]

Wow, I briefly heard a teacher mention this earlier but I didn't pick up on what had actually happened. Glad you Londoners are fine.

I just heard that there was a bombscare in Swansea University (my mother's place of work) today as well.

 

[Touring Mars]

Glad you Londoners are fine.

Cheers Jack... I walk to work, but I occasionally work in North London, and have to take the tube through Aldgate East, Liverpool Street, Moorgate and King's Cross... it is mildly unnerving, but London is a massive place, and the tube transports a staggering 3 million people every day. Even in the face of these barbaric people with their blind hatred, the odds are always going to be in your favour, so there's no point in being scared...

 

[smellysocks12]

This poll is retarded.

 

[911_Carrera]

Good choices. 👍

 

[smellysocks12]

It disgusted me when I saw about this on the news, but I did expect it in some way, so I wasn't very surprised. I'm sure this won't be the last attack we'll see, hell, Italy, Denmark and the Netherlands have been warned already. All I can say is that though 40+ dead is awful, it could have been much worse. I mean, 4 bombs in such a busy public transport system and only about 40 dead should make any European feel kinda lucky. It could have been hundreds of victims. An attack of some kind was unavoidable and the damage done by this isn't as bad as it could have been.

 

[slip2rock]

It's been quite some time since i posted here, anyway.

This is the stairs up from Aldgate tube...

I swapped shifts today so i could get home early to see my kid so i was walking up them 2 hours early at 06:45 rather than at 08:45.... the bomb went off at 08:50.

How lucky was that?

 

[G.T]

Who on earth voted "send them to France for punishment ", and "put their heads on sticks"? That's just stupid.

 

[katana87]

I'm getting tired of all these stupid attacks to try to prove a point and no one knows what the point is. Ok, you want to prove something you don't have to blow things up to prove it and whats the point if you're going to be dead anyways.

It is good to see that no one from GTP is hurt, can't say the same for the people that were.

IA

 

[smellysocks12]

I doubt GTP members who would have been hurt would have logged on to tell us about it.

 

[Dave A]

I heard at least 40 dead, when I woke up like an hour ago. My guess is probably at least 20 more will be dead on top of that, unfortunately.

I don't think theres that many, 33 seems to be the going figure right now, if it gets higher I think it'll be more people dieing after in hospital. Brings back memories of the Manchester bomb, but we had a warning first.

 

[Duke]

This poll is retarded.

And bombing innocent civillians in the tube and on buses is not?! You really need to learn something about world civilization before you make posts like that.

 

[smellysocks12]

And bombing innocent civillians in the tube and on buses is not?! You really need to learn something about world civilization before you make posts like that.

Where did I say that bombing buses isn't retarded? Fighting these terrorists isn't retarded either, it's just this poll that is.


I'm sorry but I doubt our opinion about whether to send them to France or to put their head on a stick makes a difference. Not to mention the post itself is a repost of another topic here, without any of the intellect.

 

[smellysocks12]

I don't think theres that many, 33 seems to be the going figure right now, if it gets higher I think it'll be more people dieing after in hospital. Brings back memories of the Manchester bomb, but we had a warning first.

The number 33 was without the casualties on the bus.

 

[Melaneimoon]

Very weak poll.
Considering the UK's policy these attacks were very expectable.

 

[sukerkin]

Nice to see you weren't in the carnage, DQ 👍.

The poll options were a little limited and I was severely tempted by the 'Send them to France as punishment' option (which appealed greatly to my English heart ) but in the end there is really only one way on the list to curtail terrorist activity when it's politically motivated (well, two ways if you ascribe to the 'Give them what they want' school of thought).

There are of course other ways if the contentious issues are at all negotiable but religiously inspired nutters are not usually amenable to reason .

One thing our transatlantic bretheren have to remember is that these shores are not strangers to terrorism - the IRA committed far worse than todays atrocities in times gone by. Then there was the bout of Germanic/Spanish/Italian marxist terrorists in the Seventies. What I'm trying to say is that this is not a new phenomenon; our governments have dealt with it before and will deal with it again (hopefully without having to nuke the Islamic/Arabic nations into a sea of glass to get them to behave).

EDIT: Mel, I don't know what nationality you are or how old you are but I do hope you're not trying to say that those Londoners brought this on themselves? If you mean that the government should've expected something like this then you're probably right but countering terrorism across international boundaries is notoriously difficult, especially when crossing over between the Western/Christian and Eastern/Islamic spheres of influence.

 

[Dave A]

They keep saying 33 confiormed dead, but they've just said that it doesn't include the people on the bus. They havn't confirmed if it was a suicide bomber yet.

 

[Jondot]

My sister came down for the night yesterday, and was planning to head back on the train to kings cross today when she heard on the radio what had happened. I was seriously freaked encase there was another attack, but my friend jamie is really freaked out, as he has 18 + members of familly in that area of london.

 

[Dave A]

It's confirmed, 33 dead from the underground attacks. Nothing known about the bus attack yet though.

 

[Melaneimoon]

This one will turn into the " its all the Americans fault " thread

Ofcourse. This particular event is very embedded in the general global situation. So ofcourse the cause, and it's discussion will be the same as the discussion of the general global situation.

Perhaps we could limit this thread to discussing actual facts regarding this particular London event. However unluckely the poll isn't very appropriate (it's more particular on dealing with these terrorists).

but countering terrorism across international boundaries is notoriously difficult, especially when crossing over between the Western/Christian and Eastern/Islamic spheres of influence.

Hmm no i think the islamic influence on the islamic communities is big enough not to make it THAT difficult. But regardless of weither it's difficult or not, it does seem the most logic and senseful conclusion.

 

[ExigeEvan]

Woh.

I only heared at 3:40pm from the guy in the post office Can't believe what has happened and still no confirmed deaths for the Bus. I think that may double, if not add atleast 50% to the casualties.

It could be quite likely suicide bombers. You can't get a mobnile signal below ground and if it was timed wouldn't they be almost simultaneous (matter of minutes)?

 

[Famine]

Very weak poll.
Considering the UK's policy these attacks were very expectable.

Considering that Londoners voted in a Mayor not endorsed by the ruling Party in the UK, that shows you've as much knowledge of UK politics as Al Qai'da have.

The average Londoner either didn't want the war in Iraq or couldn't be bothered (slightly more erred on the side of "Don't Care" than "No"). Those who voted for Blair again at the last Election were really the people who endorsed the war so should have made the more likely targets if that's what Al Qai'da cared about - and that wasn't London.

But they went for London because they want publicity to make them look hard - they care about seeing their names in lights and killing infidels more than political statements. Problem is, Londoners have seen it all before. The Blitz makes Al Qai'da look like the psycho kid in kindergarten - and we handed the Nazi's arses back to them on a silver platter, ably assisted by our former colonial friends.


Denmark and Italy are next on their hitlists it seems. What a pathetic bunch of wannabes.

You can't get a mobnile signal below ground and if it was timed wouldn't they be almost simultaneous (matter of minutes)?

Oh yes you caaaan.

 

[smellysocks12]

Denmark and Italy are next on their hitlists it seems. What a pathetic bunch of wannabes.

Apparently the Netherlands is high on their ****list as well. All I have for Osama and his butt buddies are 2 middle fingers up.

 

[DQuaN]

I don't remember making a poll