Shifting BuG and VCD

[Vietorious]

[Part 1]

Yet another weird bug I discovered

Either I don't know about cars OR It's a Bug.

SO hear me out!

I was just tuning out my WRX STI (Sedan) to the max for FUn, because some times I just buy cars and tune for fun then turn off the game without saving.

Anyways,

I got every part except the LSD and the VCD

I set my spring rate = MAX
and height = LOWEST
and the SOFTEST wheels are straight
for 1/4 Time

0 TC
0 ASM

After getting my 1/4 time, I tried Automactic transmission because the RPM on gear 1 is crazy. I get a better time, I know that is normal because the automactic shifts perfect.

NOW! Here is the BUG PART. I'm still using Auto, but now i Hold R2(or R1) to past the redline on 2nd gear and 3rd or 4th (tried all tranny autoset, 38 is the best)

THE 1/4 TIME IS SLOWER THAN NOT PASSING THE REDLINE.

I always thought, passing the REDLINE = GOOD, but in this case PURE AUTOMACTIC slows down. I used AUTO because so it can shift out of 1st Gear Perfectly.. then I hold R2 to gain more RPM like MANUAL

I don't know what is the problem. Clueless



[Part 2]

The VCD!

I run that car without VCD on the 1/4

I was wondering If I buy the VCD would my car go Faster on the 1/4

I tested every Front Distrubution. The Original is 45%

So When I was testing up to 45% (with VCD) It was slower by alot without VCD at 45%

Answer that..



[Final Part]

I was wondering what is a good setting for the VCD for the 1/4


Now Im befuddled like a B*tCh.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

I had also something weird with the blue impreza wagon.(or was it the legacy??)

 

[xcsti]

The shifting R2 or L2 thing has been around for a real long time. That's what I did when I first bought the game, when it first came out. On the VCD, it is a matter of balancing launch with acceleration. With more torque going to the front you will launch better, but do not accelerate quite as well past that point. If you have most of the torque going to the rear wheels you won't launch quite as well, but you willl get good traction after that point. Does that Help?

 

[puricele7e]

Concerning the first point, you should take note at which RPM your maximum tourqe and maximum power is, shiftung ALL THE WAY beneath the RPM-limiter (not just the redline, just limiter) is actually slows you down : Of course, it also slows you down the fact that a car MAY fall out of the power band after shifting below the redline......God i hope i made myself understood


Point 2: You should also take into account the wheight transfer during acceleration, too much VCD to the front and the front will loose a bit of grip (because of the nose of the car SLIGHTLY rising).

That's about it, excuse me if there's technically anything wrong i've written down here, i'm just an amateur

PS: Which Impreza are you using ? The 44b or the old STi Ver6 ?

 

[xcsti]

Concerning the first point, you should take note at which RPM your maximum tourqe and maximum power is, shiftung ALL THE WAY beneath the RPM-limiter (not just the redline, just limiter) is actually slows you down : Of course, it also slows you down the fact that a car MAY fall out of the power band after shifting below the redline......God i hope i made myself understood


Point 2: You should also take into account the wheight transfer during acceleration, too much VCD to the front and the front will loose a bit of grip (because of the nose of the car SLIGHTLY rising).

That's about it, excuse me if there's technically anything wrong i've written down here, i'm just an amateur

PS: Which Impreza are you using ? The 44b or the old STi Ver6 ?

It's the 22B not the 44B. It's not a matter of the front tires having less traction when you set more power to the front. It is a matter of the front wheels inherintly(sp) having a smaller contact patch under acceleration. Altering the VCD only adds power to a set of tires which are probably already at their limit. puricele7e You will probably read this and say, " well I knew that" or " that's what I meant", so you are pretty much correct.

One question Vietorious. How much traction control are you using?

 

[puricele7e]

By 44 i meant the second generation 👍 does 44 have something to do with it? Maybe the rally version? 44S ??

Anyway, that's roughly what i was trying to say.

He's using 0 for TC and 0 for ASM, as he posted above

 

[Vietorious]

You guys misunderstood my the shifting. the R2/R1 Trick is Old I know, and HOlding more than you can is Bad, I Know. What Im Trying to say is. Manual is faster than Automatic because it can go over the redline. But when I was using the "2000 WRX STI" Automactic > Manual.
I used automatic to shift out of 1st gear perfectly because of the Traction. Then i HOld R2/R1 To act like its manual, but its slower than going PURE AUTOMACTIC and not presing anything.

Get It now?

 

[puricele7e]

Yes, i noticed that from your first post, just didn't know what to say Sorry, but i didn't notice MUCH of a difference (maybe haven't i played GT3 long enough) between the two.......

 

[Famine]

You guys misunderstood my the shifting. the R2/R1 Trick is Old I know, and HOlding more than you can is Bad, I Know. What Im Trying to say is. Manual is faster than Automatic because it can go over the redline. But when I was using the "2000 WRX STI" Automactic > Manual.
I used automatic to shift out of 1st gear perfectly because of the Traction. Then i HOld R2/R1 To act like its manual, but its slower than going PURE AUTOMACTIC and not presing anything.

Get It now?

No - in this case Automatic is quicker than Semi-Automatic.

You'll find that manual is always quicker because you can pick your shift points - the AI always uses the start of the redzone.

You'll find that the Impreza you've used has passed its peak torque and peak power long before the very end of the rev range, so you're accelerating at a decelerating rate by keeping it there. Make a note of when the peak torque occurs, when the peak power occurs, where the redzone starts and where the redline is. Then report back...

 

[300zxfairman]

No - in this case Automatic is quicker than Semi-Automatic.

You'll find that manual is always quicker because you can pick your shift points - the AI always uses the start of the redzone.

You'll find that the Impreza you've used has passed its peak torque and peak power long before the very end of the rev range, so you're accelerating at a decelerating rate by keeping it there. Make a note of when the peak torque occurs, when the peak power occurs, where the redzone starts and where the redline is. Then report back...

How do you know the answer to almost every question?

 

[xcsti]

How do you know the answer to almost every question?

He knows it by reading what I say then saying exactly the oppsite. That is why he's always right. (this dunce is aimed at myself)

 

[JW31]

ehhh whatever. these three questions are too many for me.

 

[Civicbus]

The shifting R2 or L2 thing has been around for a real long time. That's what I did when I first bought the game, when it first came out. On the VCD, it is a matter of balancing launch with acceleration. With more torque going to the front you will launch better, but do not accelerate quite as well past that point. If you have most of the torque going to the rear wheels you won't launch quite as well, but you willl get good traction after that point. Does that Help?

??

isn't it the other way around? You'd want more torque on the back cuz the car loads the back when it launchs which increases traction. If there was more torque going to the front, all the tires would do is spin like mad from the weight transfer to the rear.

Which would launch faster:
500HP 500lbs-ft FWD
or
500HP 500lbs-ft RWD

obviously the RWD car will leave the line quicker.

 

[chaos95]

??

isn't it the other way around? You'd want more torque on the back cuz the car loads the back when it launchs which increases traction. If there was more torque going to the front, all the tires would do is spin like mad from the weight transfer to the rear.

Which would launch faster:
500HP 500lbs-ft FWD
or
500HP 500lbs-ft RWD

obviously the RWD car will leave the line quicker.

.. which is why FWD drag cars are so amusing to watch...

 

[xcsti]

??

isn't it the other way around? You'd want more torque on the back cuz the car loads the back when it launchs which increases traction. If there was more torque going to the front, all the tires would do is spin like mad from the weight transfer to the rear.

Which would launch faster:
500HP 500lbs-ft FWD
or
500HP 500lbs-ft RWD

obviously the RWD car will leave the line quicker.

What my statement describes is initial launch, when all four tires have even weight. A four wheel drive car with evenly distributed torque will launch much better than a car with mostly rear wheel torque. But notice I said that after launch you do not accelerate as well. THis is why subaru's can beat increadibly fast cars through first gear but after that get whomped. I said more torque to the front because the most torque you could send (in the game of course) is 50%.

 

[Vietorious]

Damn Semi-Automactic and ALl this Peak Torque and Peak this and that Lol.. So Much Law in One Game -_-

Note that, I never REV to where the car should EXPLODE in real life or where it goes crazy. Usually a Stock Car Can rev up to 500RPM past the RedLine. Depending on the car, you got to find out. Where you said Peak Torque and Peak Power.. I was going to sign up for MEchanic School.. But Since your in this lovely forum, I should ask you ^^;

 

[puricele7e]

Damn Semi-Automactic and ALl this Peak Torque and Peak this and that Lol.. So Much Law in One Game -_-

Note that, I never REV to where the car should EXPLODE in real life or where it goes crazy. Usually a Stock Car Can rev up to 500RPM past the RedLine. Depending on the car, you got to find out. Where you said Peak Torque and Peak Power.. I was going to sign up for MEchanic School.. But Since your in this lovely forum, I should ask you ^^;

If i understand right, you don't know what peak power and peak touque is, right?

If not, please let me know so i can edit my post

Peak power is at which RPM is the power produced by the engine the highest
and Peak torque is at which RPM does that engine have it's greatest pulling power 👍 👍 Hope you understand

 

[Vietorious]

That's what I thought. BUt try the "BUG" doing the Semi-automatic vs your automatic time