Should "Older" Models Be Updated?

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Hey, guess what, GT5 has the 1999 version of a car, the best of them all. It run perfectly, was fast, fuel efficient, and fun to drive. But GT5 updated to the 2000 model, which has a really bad turbo lag, breaks down all the time, and is extremely ugly. Now what do I do?
 
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Here's a needed update:

1996 dodge viper gts in BLUE with WHITE Stripes!!

I'm still hoping they add this color scheme...
 
yup guys look the at the new viper aka 2010 Devon GTX

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Hey, guess what, GT5 has the 1999 version of a car, the best of them all. It run perfectly, was fast, fuel efficient, and fun to drive. But GT5 updated to the 2000 model, which has a really bad turbo lag, breaks down all the time, and is extremely ugly. Now what do I do?

It's evolution, baby!

Just kidding. I believe he meant to add, instead of replace. Or whoever said replace in the first place.

yup guys look the at the new viper aka 2010 Devon GTX

*horrible pics*

Kill it with fire.


Was that really necessary? What were you trying to accomplish? :indiff:
 
I was thinking of this topic the other day, should most of the cars in Prologue be in the used car market when GT5 comes out since most are '05-'07 models.
 
When you say "update", I hope you mean "add", not "replace".

Well, when you have a limited set # of cars in the game, I rather have the most updated year model which have improvements over the older ones.

So, yes, I would rather have the 2008-09 Dodge Viper coupe OVER the 2006's Viper coupe ANYDAY. If it replaces the 06's Viper. Good.
600 hp vs. 510 hp? Come on, that is too easy to answer.
 
Since when is there a set number of cars in the game? And what if I already had one of the cars and they replaced it in the game so it disappeared from my garage?
 
There has to be a set number of cars otherwise GT5 will have "unlimited" cars which is impossible.

"And what if I already had one of the cars and they replaced it in the game so it disappeared from my garage?"

Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it?
 
There has to be a set number of cars otherwise GT5 will have "unlimited" cars which is impossible.
That's not what I mean. Let's use the Viper as an example. What's stopping them from adding the new Viper and keeping the older one? Adding one car does not make the car list infinite. I doubt they would run out of disk space even if they doubled the number of cars in GT5 through DLC.

The point is, what if someone had an 06 viper in real life, and really enjoyed driving it in GT5P, but it was replaced in GT5 by the 08-09 version. They wouldn't be too happy about that I'm sure. Just because you prefer the more powerful car, doesn't mean everyone does. Who says I would rather drive the 08 over the 06? Perhaps I like the 06 better?
 
That's not what I mean. Let's use the Viper as an example. What's stopping them from adding the new Viper and keeping the older one? Adding one car does not make the car list infinite. I doubt they would run out of disk space even if they doubled the number of cars in GT5 through DLC.

The point is, what if someone had an 06 viper in real life, and really enjoyed driving it in GT5P, but it was replaced in GT5 by the 08-09 version. They wouldn't be too happy about that I'm sure. Just because you prefer the more powerful car, doesn't mean everyone does. Who says I would rather drive the 08 over the 06? Perhaps I like the 06 better?

It doesn't matter if it is DLC or not. PD isn't going to be working on GT5 forever. Also, you have a limited amount of space in your hd anyway. You liking the 06 Viper is fine and dandy, but same thing can be said to others who actually prefer the 08 version. I'm pretty certain that most people will actually prefer the 600hp version of the Viper over the 510hp one - just look at how many people in here drive the viper. Only a select few.

Hell, if PD includes both versions and the very last DLC update is over, at least someone is going to complain about TWO of the vipers being in the game which one of them is the superior one AND 06 Viper hindered his/her fav car from being in the game.

Unless you are not the type of guy who complains about the variants of Skylines in the game, I'd say the 08's 600hp Viper should take priority.
 
Unless you are not the type of guy who complains about the variants of Skylines in the game,
I'm not. And I don't think the game would have been better if they only kept the very best versions.
 
This is plain stupid. You are basically saying that there should not be '54 Corvette, '71 Charger, and so on? You don't even have to answer that. Your answer is "Yes". Thus this is stupid. The newer cars are variants of the same car, changed through the years. The good thing about GT is that it includes cars from different years. If it were to stick with the newer models, it would be boring to play.

All I can say is that MINICOOPER120 is more reasonable than you are.
 
This is plain stupid. You are basically saying that there should not be '54 Corvette, '71 Charger, and so on? You don't even have to answer that. Your answer is "Yes". Thus this is stupid. The newer cars are variants of the same car, changed through the years. The good thing about GT is that it includes cars from different years. If it were to stick with the newer models, it would be boring to play.

All I can say is that MINICOOPER120 is more reasonable than you are.

You realize that the '54 Corvette is totally different from the 2009 ZR1, right?

You also realize that I already addressed the issue between predecessors, successors, and more importantly, yearly updates, right?


1.) The thing about the 08 Viper and the 06s is that a lot of people (buyers) don't see these two as successor and predecessor of each other. Although, Crysler wants us to believe it. So it is half and half for me. I just have a feeling that if the 06 Viper is in the game, then there is no reason to include the 08's which happens to be my favorite car so bear with me.

2.) Now if I were to say I would want only the 08 Viper over the old RT/10 GTS Viper, then I'll be wrong. Period. I seriously hate repeating myself when I already addressed this somewhere in the middle of the topic. I don't even know why I bother replying to your message if you not even going to read the other messages and saying stupid remarks about a person's opinion. So quit nitpicking and riding on opinions of others.

Anyway, if PD wants to release this game in 2010, then they should include the latest Viper. 2010 vs. 2008? That is 2 years!
 
There has to be a set number of cars otherwise GT5 will have "unlimited" cars which is impossible.
You must bear in mind that PD don't start the game with a set number of cars, they have a rough target which they will set for themselves in the planning stages but that's not a wall where they say "right we've hit our target, you don't need to finish modelling that Veyron we've licensed, we're not including it". PD strive to include as many cars as they can, cars they have licensed. They don't have licenses to include everything. At the end of the day nothing that's on the disk is replacing anything because if PD had the man power and time they'd include every car they licensed.

"And what if I already had one of the cars and they replaced it in the game so it disappeared from my garage?"

Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it?
That's a stupid idea, why would you want PD to remove sometihng they've spent time and resources in making that can be enjoyed in the game when for less effort you could have both. It stand sto reason that to replace a model with a newer one that the older model must be modelled first liek your Viper example, to suggest that PD then remove the older model in order to include the newer one not only defies logic but it makes no business sense as you'd be constantly just updating models and wasting tonnes of time and money on creating models that are only going to be scrapped anyway.

It doesn't matter if it is DLC or not. PD isn't going to be working on GT5 forever. Also, you have a limited amount of space in your hd anyway.
Disk space is not an issue and neither is HD space. You can always buy more HD space, and if your disk isn't big enough for all the DLC then it's down to you what you delete. The game should not decide that for you.

Hell, if PD includes both versions and the very last DLC update is over, at least someone is going to complain about TWO of the vipers being in the game which one of them is the superior one AND 06 Viper hindered his/her fav car from being in the game.
You're probably right, a small number of stupid people might. People who have more one brain cell vibrating in their heads though might understand that scrapping an already modelled vehicle to include a newer one is stupid when you can have both.

Unless you are not the type of guy who complains about the variants of Skylines in the game, I'd say the 08's 600hp Viper should take priority.
If you don't have a base model already in progress then sure, start from the top with sporty models, but if there is a model already done and then a higher performance model comes out you don't scrap the work you've already done.

On the contrary, I do. Whenever one of my fav. cars is not in the game, I'm going to blame on the variants for excluding mine.
So let me get this right, the game includes the Viper, that's fine, but then the new 08 Viper comes along as DLC and doesn't overwright the old one and that means that because there are two variants that one of them has caused another car to be excluded. But if the new one did over wright the old one it wouldn't :odd:. I'm sorry buit that's the stupidest thing I've heared, seen or read all day and I've just got back from the Cinema to see "The Hangover" and the guys in that do some pretty stupid stuff so that is saying something. I hope you understand that for each car PD need to have a legal right to include it, they can't just decide to. The odds are that if the car you want is a note worthy car that the most likely reason it isn't in is because PD didn't have a license for it 💡. Not because they didn't delete and older model of a car that they had already completled when they made a newer version of the same car.

Mate, you seriousely need to think about what you are suggesting. It's beyond understandable.
 
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You must bear in mind that PD don't start the game with a set number of cars, they have a rough target which they will set for themselves in the planning stages but that's not a wall where they say "right we've hit our target, you don't need to finish modelling that Veyron we've licensed, we're not including it". PD strive to include as many cars as they can, cars they have licensed. They don't have licenses to include everything. At the end of the day nothing that's on the disk is replacing anything because if PD had the man power and time they'd include every car they licensed.

That's a stupid idea, why would you want PD to remove sometihng they've spent time and resources in making that can be enjoyed in the game when for less effort you could have both. It stand sto reason that to replace a model with a newer one that the older model must be modelled first liek your Viper example, to suggest that PD then remove the older model in order to include the newer one not only defies logic but it makes no business sense as you'd be constantly just updating models and wasting tonnes of time and money on creating models that are only going to be scrapped anyway.

For the love of god, please use spell check or learn how to spell. Jesus.

Disk space is not an issue and neither is HD space. You can always buy more HD space, and if your disk isn't big enough for all the DLC then it's down to you what you delete. The game should not decide that for you.

Deleting cars? Are you serious? Okay, so what if I have all of these media, gamesaves, pictures, etc... that are important to me and I want to keep in my HD? Or let's just say I shell out a couple of hundred of dollars (bad business stand point), and YET, I still do not have enough space? What then?

You're probably right, a small number of stupid people might. People who have more one brain cell vibrating in their heads though might understand that scrapping an already modelled vehicle to include a newer one is stupid when you can have both.
Tell that to those who probably cannot afford another HD or the TIME spent on re-uploading/redoing all of the important files they have already put in the original HD.

So let me get this right, the game includes the Viper, that's fine, but then the new 08 Viper comes along as DLC and doesn't overwright the old one and that means that because there are two variants that one of them has caused another car to be excluded. But if the new one did over wright the old one it wouldn't :odd:.
I love how you put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is seriously poor.

at least someone is going to complain about TWO of the vipers being in the game which one of them is the superior one AND 06 Viper hindered his/her fav car from being in the game.
Point to me where I said ONLY the NEW car will NEVER EVER exclude *insert car name here*. Otherwise, let's try not to pull anything out of your behind, thanks.

I'm sorry buit that's the stupidest thing I've heared, seen or read all day and I've just got back from the Cinema to see "The Hangover" and the guys in that do some pretty stupid stuff so that is saying something.

The Hangover must be a stupid movie considering your grammar and spelling totally destroy the stupidity of the film. But that is besides the point, yeah?

I hope you understand that for each car PD need to have a legal right to include it, they can't just decide to. The odds are that if the car you want is a note worthy car that the most likely reason it isn't in is because PD didn't have a license for it 💡. Not because they didn't delete and older model of a car that they had already completled when they made a newer version of the same car.

Um, no? For example, PD acquired the Ferrari license, but they never decided to make a specific Ferrari car that I love. What then? Obviously the point flew right over your head. If you read a few pages back, I even said that the 08 Viper might not be in the game because of the 06 Viper. Who says they are going to include all cars from the licenses they have acquired?


Mate, you seriousely need to think about what you are suggesting. It's beyond understandable.

And mate, you seriously need to learn how to spell check and work on your grammar from time to time. Hell, my spelling is sometimes bad but it isn't this terrible.
 
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You know heres how I wish PD dealt with thier variations, instead of buying, lets say for example, the BMW e92 M3, you choose the model, (E92) and the thier should be a range of different engines and types of that car, if it could go as far as choosing optional extras... one can dream though. But yea as everyone says all those different skylines that looked exactly the same couldve have easily been categorised as r31 - r34. And really didnt need to take a place in the car count.

I would like to add that when you buy the subaru hatchback blue in GT5p it says 'you have aquired the subaru iprezza sti ........ with gold bbs optional extra wheels', or some like that.
 
Deleting cars? Are you serious?
You're the one who suggested PD scrap the old model in favour of the new one, right here you suggested that "Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it".. So once again, why would they remove the 06 Viper when they've spent so man man hours making it?

Okay, so what if I have all of these media, gamesaves, pictures, etc... that are important to me and I want to keep in my HD? Or let's just say I shell out a couple of hundred of dollars (bad business stand point), and YET, I still do not have enough space? What then?
Then you didn't spend your money well or you downloaded a hell of a lot. But f that is the case then it's not PD's faul, DLC is a choice purchse, you choose to buy it or not.

Everyone has a limit, the beauty with DLC from the PS network is that if you delete it you can download it for free again. If you're HD is jammed full of stuff that's not PD's fault, it's down to you to decide what you want to put on there. What happens when you want to dowload anything but you don't have enough space to. DLC in a game isn't the only think this problem can arise from and it's not a new problem either. People have been having to manage thier hard drives for years.


Tell that to those who probably cannot afford another HD or the TIME spent on re-uploading/redoing all of the important files they have already put in the original HD.
Your logic would result in a never completed game, if PD spent all thier time modelling cars then re-modelling them each time a newer version came out then the game would never come out.


I love how you put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is seriously poor.
I didn't, once again you suggested "Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it?" which is the main comment my entire point is targeting. Or did you not post that, beacuse I swear you did. Maybe I am missunderstanding you, but comments like that are easy to jump on, either you've miss-typed or there's an angle I'm not seeing. By all means, enlighten me, I'm not after a intenet bitching contest I'm after a discussion but from what I have gathered from your posts your idea is odd.


Point to me where I said the new car will NEVER EVER exclude *insert car name here*. Otherwise, let's try not to pull anything out of your behind, thanks.
Eh?


Um, no? For example, PD acquired the Ferrari license, but they never decided to make a specific Ferrari car that I love. What then? Obviously the point flew right over your head. If you read a few pages back, I even said that the 08 Viper might not be in the game because of the 06 Viper. Who says they are going to include all cars from the licenses they have acquired?
PD aquired a Ferrari license, that doesn't mean that automatically have free reign over what Ferrari's they can and can't include. Often a license is agreed for specific cars, sometimes it's blanket but the are many terms and conditions that the companies agree to. You can't know what cars PD do and don't have permission to use regardless of other cars from the same brand being in the game or not. There's no guarantee that PD will include every car they license but we don't know whic cars excluded and why. Space isn't an issue, time and man power is the biggest issue but with DLC that's a lesser issue than it has been.
 
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You're the one who suggested PD scrap the old model in favour of the new one, right here you suggested that "Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it".. So once again, why would they remove the 06 Viper when they've spent so man man hours making it?

Like I said before, the interior would be easy to make since both versions have identical interiors. Although, I would like PD to lower the steering wheel a bit so I can see further down the road when I have it in cockpit view.
The only visible changes I see is the hood vents. That is it.
Then all PD needs to do is change the varibles that include performance figures and what not. This may or may not take forever. Who knows? But I do know that modeling a car inside and out takes the most time if I can recall correctly.

Everyone has a limit, the beauty with DLC from the PS network is that if you delete it you can download it for free again. If you're HD is jammed full of stuff that's not PD's fault, it's down to you to decide what you want to put on there. What happens when you want to dowload anything but you don't have enough space to. DLC in a game isn't the only think this problem can arise from and it's not a new problem either. People have been having to manage thier hard drives for years.

I think you are forgetting about patches too. Patches are mandatory if you want to play online.


Your logic would result in a never completed game, if PD spent all thier time modelling cars then re-modelling them each time a newer version came out then the game would never come out.

Not necessarily, I only want them to update specific cars such as the Dodge Viper 08. Like I said before, it is my favorite car and I hope I get to see it. Just because I said cars should be updated does NOT mean I want every single car in the automobile history to do it as well.


I didn't, once again you suggested "Or they could just remove the 06 Viper from the actual GT5 game before they release it?" which is the main comment my entire point is targeting. Or did you not post that, beacuse I swear you did. Maybe I am missunderstanding you, but comments like that are easy to jump on, either you've miss-typed or there's an angle I'm not seeing. By all means, enlighten me, I'm not after a intenet bitching contest I'm after a discussion but from what I have gathered from your posts your idea is odd.

My very first concern is the 08 Viper. Knowing PD's history, they often prefer Japanese cars. You can agree to this, yes? So, by definition, wouldn't you agree that in terms of selecting cars for the game sometimes depends on priorities? Once again, the 06 an 08 Vipers are closely related and therefore, it might not give them the initiative to even include the 08 since priorities always come first. Therefore, if they see the 06 Viper, why would they even bother with the 08 Viper when they could just work on something else? So when I mean by removing I mean removing the 06 Viper which then gives the 08 Viper a better chance at being in this game.

PD aquired a Ferrari license, that doesn't mean that automatically have free reign over what Ferrari's they can and can't include. Often a license is agreed for specific cars, sometimes it's blanket but the are many terms and conditions that the companies agree to. You can't know what cars PD do and don't have permission to use regardless of other cars from the same brand being in the game or not. There's no guarantee that PD will include every car they license but we don't know whic cars excluded and why. Space isn't an issue, time and man power is the biggest issue but with DLC that's a lesser issue than it has been.

And how do you know if PD just doesn't want to include all cars from Ferrari? Perhaps it is due to not having enough man time to release the game in time? The point is, there are a lot of factors and it isn't just because Ferrari tells them what they can and cannot include. It could possibly be both.
 
I feel that they shouldn't replace any car, just add to the ever growing list. For example, I'm hoping they add my car which is the 2005 Infiniti G35 6MT, which has more power, sport suspension, updated interior and different wheels. They only have the 03 which is cool but, not the same. I hope they never replace any car.
 
1.) The thing about the 08 Viper and the 06s is that a lot of buyers don't see these two as successor and predecessor of each other. Although, Crysler wants us to believe it. So it is half and half for me. I just have a feeling that if the 06 Viper is in the game, then there is no reason to include the 08's which happens to be my favorite car so bear with me.

2.) Now if I were to say I would want only the 08 Viper over the old RT/10 GTS Viper, then I'll be wrong. Period.

It's funny, 'cause you are wrong in the first statement, and right in the second statement, though there's a slight bit wrong in it also. You are wrong in both, that's the error in the second statement. How do you know what Chrysler wants? And it's Chrysler, not Crysler, seeing you adressed Dave small typo with such a comment.

Let me see if I got it straight. You mean there should only be six different Corvettes in the game? Yes, you do. I can't even begin to image the C6 ZR1 being a succesor to the C6 Z06! How stupid of me! :dunce: So we shall receive six different Corvettes, one for each generation, the newer model in each one. What a fantastic idea! You know what? It's so fantastic I think we should contact PD right away!


I seriously hate repeating myself when I already addressed this somewhere in the middle of the topic. I don't even know why I bother replying to your message if you not even going to read the other messages and saying stupid remarks about a person's opinion. So quit nitpicking and riding on opinions of others.

If you don't know, then all the world is more lost that you are, pal.


By the way, I love how you attack Dave's grammar and not his points. Such as smart move from you, PD really should learn from you.

EDIT: After further examination of your posts I didn't bothered to read, it seems it all comes down to a single Viper. You have to think for other players. Not just for yourself.
 
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It's funny, 'cause you are wrong in the first statement, and right in the second statement, though there's a slight bit wrong in it also. You are wrong in both, that's the error in the second statement. How do you know what Chrysler wants? And it's Chrysler, not Crysler, seeing you adressed Dave small typo with such a comment.

How do I know what Chrysler wants? Because the 08 is the 4th gen of the Viper, genius.

And what is adressed? I have never heard of such an alien word before. Care to explain?

Let me see if I got it straight. You mean there should only be six different Corvettes in the game? Yes, you do. I can't even begin to image the C6 ZR1 being a succesor to the C6 Z06! How stupid of me! :dunce: So we shall receive six different Corvettes, one for each generation, the newer model in each one. What a fantastic idea! You know what? It's so fantastic I think we should contact PD right away!

Blurp blurp blurp like a damn gold fish. Put down the pipe. Obviously, you haven't read through much of the thread to even convey the slightest point you are trying to prove.




If you don't know, then all the world is more lost that you are, pal.


By the way, I love how you attack Dave's grammar and not his points. Such as smart move from you, PD really should learn from you.

It is not like your points even matter anyway. Dave A is a good poster, you aren't_at_all, buddy.

Let's recap, shall we? You came in here accusing me of saying the older models from the old generation should be scrapped without even looking through the other posts. AND THEN I even called you out on not reading because of that and guess what? Read what you just said on the bottom. "I didn't bothered to read".

EDIT: After further examination of your posts I didn't bothered to read, it seems it all comes down to a single Viper. You have to think for other players. Not just for yourself.

http://ideas.gtplanet.net/pages/5937-most-wanted-cars/suggestions/67769-dodge-viper-coupe-2008

Seriously, put down the pipe. 1 vs. 166? Aren't you a selfish fella. 👎
 
And what is adressed? I have never heard of such an alien word before. Care to explain?

It's in the same class with "varibles", I'd say. If I were you I wouldn't exactly try to pick on others' grammar.

Blurp blurp blurp like a damn gold fish. Put down the pipe. Obviously, you haven't read through much of the thread to even convey the slightest point you are trying to prove.

To put things straight, it was you who said that the '06 Viper should be axed to make space for the '08 version. Using the same logic, yes, we should only have six Corvettes because the 435 bhp '69 427 can very obviously give way to the 200 bhp '82 350 as they're of the same C3 generation. Who cares about the spec differences, the newer one must be better because it has been improved over the years.

It is not like your points even matter anyway. Dave A is a good poster, you aren't_at_all, buddy.

Unfortunately disagreeing with you doesn't make anybody a bad poster. Name calling, however, is very likely to do it. Guess which side you are taking. And how are Codename L's points any less valuable than yours if I may ask? It's not like you're right and everyone not thinking the same way is wrong.

Let's recap, shall we? You came in here accusing me of saying the older models from the old generation should be scrapped without even looking through the other posts. AND THEN I even called you out on not reading because of that and guess what? Read what you just said on the bottom. "I didn't bothered to read".

Well, let's see:

Well, when you have a limited set # of cars in the game, I rather have the most updated year model which have improvements over the older ones.

So, yes, I would rather have the 2008-09 Dodge Viper coupe OVER the 2006's Viper coupe ANYDAY. If it replaces the 06's Viper. Good.
600 hp vs. 510 hp? Come on, that is too easy to answer.

If that's not you saying that the older ones should be replaced in favour of the later ones I (and a couple of others) must be misunderstanding your words quite seriously.
 
Newer models of cars can always be added as downloadable content, but then the same argument can be used for older cars. Now, there is only a finate amount of space on a disc, even blu ray,agreed? so where do you draw a line on updating car models, you may get the 2008 viper or whatever in the game but find its superseded by the release date. personally I would have the more iconic variants of older cars rather then umpteen models of the same car i.e. the civic, the skyline, the silvia, etc. The option to choose between turbo and N.A. variants could be done in the garage as could resprays perhaps? Now when i talk about older models of cars its not a car with added oomph or with added bodywork, its more, say the difference between say the new Mini and the old as in GT2 or for our colonial cousins the old and the new Dodge Challenger. Any Comments?
 

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