Should "Older" Models Be Updated?

[regoon]

It's in the same class with "varibles", I'd say. If I were you I wouldn't exactly try to pick on others' grammar.

Same class? Varibles and adressed? I don't remember these being words. If they are, show me, please.

To put things straight, it was you who said that the '06 Viper should be axed to make space for the '08 version. Using the same logic, yes, we should only have six Corvettes because the 435 bhp '69 427 can very obviously give way to the 200 bhp '82 350 as they're of the same C3 generation. Who cares about the spec differences, the newer one must be better because it has been improved over the years.

And obviously you missed:

Like I said before, it is my favorite car and I hope I get to see it. Just because I said cars should be updated does NOT mean I want every single car in the automobile history to do it as well.

You purposely missed this, didn't you?

Unfortunately disagreeing with you doesn't make anybody a bad poster. Name calling, however, is very likely to do it. Guess which side you are taking. And how are Codename L's points any less valuable than yours if I may ask? It's not like you're right and everyone not thinking the same way is wrong.

Essentially, everyone's points are less valuable considering it is all based on opinions. Try again.

 

[dylansan]

So then please tell us what other cars you want PD to remove from the game for you? (BTW, on that poll with the Viper, there is no poll for the 06 Viper because it's already in. If it was removed, you can bet people would vote to put it back in)

 

[regoon]

So then please tell us what other cars you want PD to remove from the game for you? (BTW, on that poll with the Viper, there is no poll for the 06 Viper because it's already in. If it was removed, you can bet people would vote to put it back in)

As of right now, I want the Viper 08 over the 06. If PD can only put 1 in the game and not the other, I would definitely want the upgraded version.

The other cars? That is for you guys to decide.

Why use an inferior model when there is a better one? Besides, the 08' version can be readily made - only things that need to be changed are the hood of the car, some slight adjustment of the interior, the exhaust note, and tuned up suspension attributes. Also, many people including myself have expressed and pondered the same feelings why the 08 Viper Coupe isn't used and why PD opted to go for the weaker version.

The underline and bold part. It seems to me the poster wanted the 06 Viper to be removed since he said "why use an inferior model"? And since 166 people voted for it, I'm not the only one.

 

[Greycap]

Same class? Varibles and adressed? I don't remember these being words. If they are, show me, please.

They aren't, correct, but seeing that you used "varibles" yourself you probably shouldn't be acting as mr. Perfect and enforcing the use of a spell checker because someone else used "adressed".

You purposely missed this, didn't you?

I missed it but not purposely, using the other meaning of the word "miss" because it really doesn't make any sense at all. You want the Viper to be updated but you don't want the others to be updated? Lacking logic a bit there? I point to your next paragraph, actually.

Essentially, everyone's points are less valuable considering it is all based on opinions. Try again.

There you hit the nail on the head but it's playing against you. You want the '08 Viper to replace the '06 Viper, hey, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But don't try to shovel it to everyone - the next guy in the line may want the '06 Viper and thinks that the '08 is useless. He's entirely entitled to his opinion too and he's just as right as you.

Now, if PD includes the '06 and not the '08 you'll go nuts. If they include the '08 and the '06 the other guy will go nuts. Being honest, PD should listen to both of you equally and that's what is meant by the "You have to think for other players. Not just for yourself. " part as you alone can't decide no matter how much you'd like to.

 

[Lucas]

How do I know what Chrysler wants? Because the 08 is the 4th gen of the Viper, genius.

All right, I'm getting tired of your attitude towards us. First of all, if two years mean nothing to you, then we would only have a one generation Viper. Considering that it started from 1992/1995-1996/2002-2003/2006-2008/present, I'm amazed you complain about two years and not one year. That makes me think you are just a kid that wants a new Viper. With your mentality of wanting a car because of 90 extra horsepower, you really make us fans of american cars look like idiots. It's not like 90 horsepower will stop your 🤬 from being whipped.

It is not like your points even matter anyway. Dave A is a good poster, you aren't_at_all, buddy.

Neither do yours, then. Because they are childish.

Let's recap, shall we? You came in here accusing me of saying the older models from the old generation should be scrapped without even looking through the other posts. AND THEN I even called you out on not reading because of that and guess what? Read what you just said on the bottom. "I didn't bothered to read".

I don't know if you checked, but the only thing I could discover by reading your posts was that you wanted a Viper. You purposely missed this, didn't you? Check the edit. You even said so yourself:

Like I said before, it is my favorite car and I hope I get to see it. Just because I said cars should be updated does NOT mean I want every single car in the automobile history to do it as well.

The whole point of this is a Viper. AND cars you like. Thus, selfish.

Seriously, put down the pipe. 1 vs. 166? Aren't you a selfish fella. 👎

"In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." For your knowledge, I'm not the only person complaining about this change you want. Look better. Oh, but you are blind, I forgot. And I at least have an excuse for my grammar. Ever heard of "non-native english speaker"?

EDIT: And that poll is even about the Viper, not about updating the "older" models! You are making a joke out of this thread, mate!

 

[regoon]

I missed it but not purposely, using the other meaning of the word "miss" because it really doesn't make any sense at all. You want the Viper to be updated but you don't want the others to be updated? Lacking logic a bit there? I point to your next paragraph, actually.

When did I ever say I don't want other cars to be updated?

There you hit the nail on the head but it's playing against you. You want the '08 Viper to replace the '06 Viper, hey, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But don't try to shovel it to everyone - the next guy in the line may want the '06 Viper and thinks that the '08 is useless. He's entirely entitled to his opinion too and he's just as right as you.

I'm shoving my opinions down people's throats? In fact, aren't you/others doing it now by telling me that removing a made car is wrong? Please, hypocrite.

Now, if PD includes the '06 and not the '08 you'll go nuts. If they include the '08 and the '06 the other guy will go nuts. Being honest, PD should listen to both of you equally and that's what is meant by the "You have to think for other players. Not just for yourself. " part as you alone can't decide no matter how much you'd like to.

And as I said before, having the 06 Viper probably hinders the 08 from being in the game. Sure, if the Viper 08 is in the game, I wouldn't mind the 06 staying either. However, since the 06 Viper is already in the game, what about the 08? If PD wants to satisfy both sides, then, logically, they better include both.

 

[mutzley]

Everyone has feelings and preferances on what they want to see in the game, personally i dont like vipers, others do. But i would rather have 100 different cars in my garage rather then 30 identikit skylines yes? but then if i owned one of this deleted skylines i might wonder why it wasn,t in the game but there were 3,4,5 or 6 models of viper when they all look and drive the same?

 

[mutzley]

And before any of you buggers start on my spelling, you try typing with arthritis

 

[regoon]

All right, I'm getting tired of your attitude towards us. First of all, if two years mean nothing to you, then we would only have a one generation Viper. Considering that it started from 1992/1995-1996/2002-2003/2006-2008/present, I'm amazed you complain about two years and not one year. That makes me think you are just a kid that wants a new Viper. With your mentality of wanting a car because of 90 extra horsepower, you really make us fans of american cars look like idiots. It's not like 90 horsepower will stop your 🤬 from being whipped.

With 600 horsepower, it makes a HUGE difference. Not just horsepower but other additional upgrades within the interior. 👎 Nice try.
And if you would check out the versus information I posted earlier in the thread, you would know the 08 is the superior model.

The whole point of this is a Viper.

Right. The whole point of this is the Viper. OR other cars person A or person B want his/her cars to be updated as well.

"In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." For your knowledge, I'm not the only person complaining about this change you want. Look better. Oh, but you are blind, I forgot. And I at least have an excuse for my grammar. Ever heard of "non-native english speaker"?

So what? English is my 3rd language. Does that give you an excuse to not spell check? I even said it myself that I'm a bad speller at times. You? You take it to the next level.

EDIT: And that poll is even about the Viper, not about updating the "older" models! You are making a joke out of this thread, mate!

You are right. *sarcasm*. Because the writer of that 08 Viper suggestion stated "why use an inferior model" when the 06 already existed. I really hope the point didn't fly over your head when I posted the link. Since you are a non native English speaker, and me too, (quite pathetic tbh), it means that he (retcondata) doesn't want the 06 Viper but the 08.

 

[Lucas]

With 600 horsepower, it makes a HUGE difference. Not just horsepower but other additional upgrades within the interior. 👎 Nice try.

Wait. So you first said the '08 wasn't a succesor to the '06 model, and that Chrysler wanted you to believe that, but now you are basically saying the '08 IS indeed a succesor to the '06 model? Because of horsepower and additional upgrades within the interior? You've got some serious contradiction issues.

And if you would check out the versus information I posted earlier in the thread, you would know the 08 is the superior model.

Considering you are making such a fuss about the car, I would be surprised if it was inferior than the '06 model.

Right. The whole point of this is the Viper. OR other cars person A or person B want his/her cars to be updated as well.

Yet the poll which you linked (which actually isn't a poll, because it's either A) Yes or B) Don't vote) is about the '08 Viper and '08 Viper only.

So what? English is my 3rd language. Does that give you an excuse to not spell check? I even said it myself that I'm a bad speller at times. You? You take it to the next level.

I'm amazed you are the first person in the forum complaining about my grammar. It's a discovery indeed, congratulations. 👍

You are right. *sarcasm*. Because the writer of that 08 Viper suggestion stated "why use an inferior model" when the 06 already existed. I really hope the point didn't fly over your head when I posted the link. Since you are a non native English speaker, and me too, it means that retcondata doesn't want the 06 Viper but the 08.

He's entitled to his opinion, as you, me, and everyone is entitled to each own. At least 14 people in this thread agree with me. I'm amazed that with 166 persons (which would be 1 vs 166 according to you) saying the inferior models should be updated, the opinions in this thread clearly show people prefer to stick with older models and add newer ones than to delete older models for newer ones. As I said before, that "poll" continues to be about the Viper. And it doesn't even say the '06 model has to be replaced with the '08 model. Don't even think of using it as an argument again, because it's useless.

 

[regoon]

Wait. So you first said the '08 wasn't a succesor to the '06 model, and that Chrysler wanted you to believe that, but now you are basically saying the '08 IS indeed a succesor to the '06 model? Because of horsepower and additional upgrades within the interior? You've got some serious contradiction issues.

Where did I say the 08 was the successor to the 06 model. Please pinpoint me exactly where I said that.

Considering you are making such a fuss about the car, I would be surprised if it was inferior than the '06 model.

upgraded car... inferior? No way!

Yet the poll which you linked (which actually isn't a poll, because it's either A) Yes or B) Don't vote) is about the '08 Viper and '08 Viper only.

08 and the 06. Hence, his complaints on 06 over 08.

I'm amazed you are the first person in the forum complaining about my grammar. It's a discovery indeed, congratulations. 👍

Your spelling is what I'm concerned about now.

He's entitled to his opinion, as you, me, and everyone is entitled to each own. At least 14 people in this thread agree with me. I'm amazed that with 166 persons (which would be 1 vs 166 according to you) saying the inferior models should be updated, the opinions in this thread clearly show people prefer to stick with older models and add newer ones than to delete older models for newer ones. As I said before, that "poll" continues to be about the Viper. And it doesn't even say the '06 model has to be replaced with the '08 model. Don't even think of using it as an argument again, because it's useless.

"Why bother using the inferior one"

Clearly, he wants the inferior one to be removed. Reading comprehension, come on. 👍

 

[Dave A]

Like I said before, the interior would be easy to make since both versions have identical interiors. Although, I would like PD to lower the steering wheel a bit so I can see further down the road when I have it in cockpit view.
The only visible changes I see is the hood vents. That is it.
Then all PD needs to do is change the varibles that include performance figures and what not. This may or may not take forever. Who knows? But I do know that modeling a car inside and out takes the most time if I can recall correctly.

Very true and is more of a reason to want both included than anything. It has to be remembered that the 06 model included in GT5 was modelled well before the 08 Viper was unveiled, with that in mind the 06 Viep had already been completed and as a result any further work on changing that model would equal wasted time and resources. What they should do is copy that model and then edit one of them into the 08 Viper, it would take no more work than just editing the 06 ou of the game.

I think you are forgetting about patches too. Patches are mandatory if you want to play online.

Yeah, and again it's still nothing new. There are always going to be people who benefit more from DLC than others, there's no way PD or any games company can be held responsible for that other than simply not making DLC at all but since DLC is additional content then that's only hurting the people who could have made use of it in the first place.

Not necessarily, I only want them to update specific cars such as the Dodge Viper 08. Like I said before, it is my favorite car and I hope I get to see it. Just because I said cars should be updated does NOT mean I want every single car in the automobile history to do it as well.

I appreciate that it's your favorite car, I'd like nothing more than to see ever TVR ever made in GT5 (well maybe I'd love to see Heather Graham in my... anyway) but I uderstand why I'm not going to see that, because PD need to cater for everyone and not just me. If PD did include several variations of the Viper I'd support that but there would be plenty of people still moaning that they included Viper variations but not variations of thier favorite cars. At the end of the day if the 08 Viper isn't included it's because PD are tryng to cater for a wider mass on release than thoes that don't think the 06 alone is good enough. It's not ideal but I'm willing to bet that either way the car selection in GT5 will be amazing.

My very first concern is the 08 Viper. Knowing PD's history, they often prefer Japanese cars. You can agree to this, yes? So, by definition, wouldn't you agree that in terms of selecting cars for the game sometimes depends on priorities? Once again, the 06 an 08 Vipers are closely related and therefore, it might not give them the initiative to even include the 08 since priorities always come first.

I get what your saying here, but...

Therefore, if they see the 06 Viper, why would they even bother with the 08 Viper when they could just work on something else? So when I mean by removing I mean removing the 06 Viper which then gives the 08 Viper a better chance at being in this game.

This is never going to happen, they are never going to remove a car they have already modelled like that (though they did oddly remove the original Mini from US and PAL versions of GT4, I never did find out why). It just ammounts to a waste of the companies time, if they have any intention of including the 08 Viper then it will be in addition to the 06 one because there is zero point in scrapping the 06 one which is work already completed. I understand your point about them perhaps not having the motivation to make the 08 one with the 06 already there, but there definitely going to have even less motivation to remove the 06 and then make the 08 one. Hopefully all this debate over the 06 and 08 Viper will be moot and both will make it in, who knows besides PD at this point in time.

And how do you know if PD just doesn't want to include all cars from Ferrari? Perhaps it is due to not having enough man time to release the game in time? The point is, there are a lot of factors and it isn't just because Ferrari tells them what they can and cannot include. It could possibly be both.

I don't know, and your point was exactley my point. We (as in people) can moan all they want about x car not being in, but at the end of the day we don't have a clue why it wasn't really there.

The underline and bold part. It seems to me the poster wanted the 06 Viper to be removed since he said "why use an inferior model"? And since 166 people voted for it, I'm not the only one.

I don't read it that way, I read it that he's saying why start with the 06 model when theres a better 08 version of the car, I don't see it as a please remove the 06 one, I see it as a why not model the 08 one first. What he failed to take into account was that the 06 model in GT5 was done before the 08 Viper was even unveiled.

Right. The whole point of this is the Viper. OR other cars person A or person B want his/her cars to be updated as well.

And the only way to satisfy the majority is to release the game at some point and then do the rest as DLC. Cars are always being upgraded. Going beyond just the 06 and o8 Vipers PD can't constently upgrade the cars in the game before they release it or the game would never be released. For everyone who's favorite car they don't do the latest top model for there's someone who's car has been done. The only way is for them to release the game and then start adding the newer variations and new models altogether as DLC. It's the only way to release the game and keep the majority happy.

 

[mutzley]

the whole reason for this thread was, should older cars be updated? if it's possible to have the 06 and the 08 in the game then why not? but it's not just a case of typing in a few numbers in the database, you have to look at the licencing, references, research, the 101 things to do before the car appears in the game. But yes, if you can update the car then why not? Personally i would be happy with less fuss over putting more and more nearly identical cars into the game rather then putting more and more different models from european and american companies. i mean, where are all the older fords, dodges, vauxhalls or bmw's? where is the road escort or the calibra?

 

[dylansan]

You don't understand how that section works. People aren't voting on whether they want to replace anything. The only thing they're voting is that they want the 08 Viper in the game. And that's it.

And as I said before, having the 06 Viper probably hinders the 08 from being in the game.

No, it doesn't. I don't have GT5P, but if I've been following this, the 06 Viper is in it. That means it's already been modeled, and given everything it needs to run in the game. They don't need to spend any more time on it to put it in GT5, so it doesn't take time away from modeling the 08 Viper. If they add the 08 Viper, there is no logical reason for them to remove the 06.

Also, why is it so important to you that the fastest version of a car is in the game? Is it because you would prefer to drive faster cars than slower ones in general? Because another solution would be to remove all of the cars except the very fastest car ever produced. Then you wouldn't have to worry about "inferior models"

 

[mutzley]

i mean, i know this is not the right thread to say this but i would actually like to see more classic cars from the 60s,70s or 80s,or even some of the 30s racing cars!

 

[regoon]

Dave A, I hope when the game is finally released, Polyphony Digital will include the 08 Viper coupe in the game. Whatever your favorite TVR car is, I hope it is in the game too. 👍

You don't understand how that section works. People aren't voting on whether they want to replace anything. The only thing they're voting is that they want the 08 Viper in the game. And that's it.

I understand how the system works. But you have to read what the description gives you too.

No, it doesn't. I don't have GT5P, but if I've been following this, the 06 Viper is in it. That means it's already been modeled, and given everything it needs to run in the game. They don't need to spend any more time on it to put it in GT5, so it doesn't take time away from modeling the 08 Viper. If they add the 08 Viper, there is no logical reason for them to remove the 06.

That is true. Most likely PD isn't going to be removing any cars from the ones they have already made. But in a hypothetical what ifs, if they were to only include 1 Viper from the "current" generation, I would want them to include the 600 hp version instead. If they can add in both, that will be even better since it caters to both sides.

Also, why is it so important to you that the fastest version of a car is in the game? Is it because you would prefer to drive faster cars than slower ones in general? Because another solution would be to remove all of the cars except the very fastest car ever produced. Then you wouldn't have to worry about "inferior models"

Well, my uncle has the newest Dodge Viper coupe and our families are really into the Vipers. I will never forget when my uncle took me for a ride. The car is such a beast and rightfully should be named so.
There is always a "war" going on with the big three American muscles and lets just say I want the Dodge Viper to be packing everything it should have.

Also, the fastest records for laps have the Z06 and the Ford GT winning most of them while the Viper is always in 3rd place. 👎

 

[mutzley]

but then i thought the whole idea of gran turismo was to buy a car then tune it to YOUR specs, not the manufacturer's.

 

[regoon]

but then i thought the whole idea of gran turismo was to buy a car then tune it to YOUR specs, not the manufacturer's.

Still won't be the same. You can try to tune the Z06 to ZR1 but it isn't the same.

I tend to prefer stock cars with other friends but only will use tuned specs for online play. 👍

 

[mutzley]

i agree, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear but you can make diamonds out of coal! personally i prefer the real world tyres on stock and lightly tuned cars but that's getting off the point! yes it would be nice to have the latest cars but it will not happen, because the sods keep bringing out new and improved cup holders. but if they have already modelled a car why take it out of a line up instead of adding the new model?

 

[Lucas]

Where did I say the 08 was the successor to the 06 model. Please pinpoint me exactly where I said that.

I'm sorry, but if 90hp and interior upgrades, which in your head make for "a big difference", aren't enough to differentiate a car from one generation to another one, what does exactly a generation of a car mean for you? The Vipers have had around 50hp in increments from one generation to another one.

First generation: 400 bhp
Second generation: 450 bhp
Third generation: 510 bhp
Fourth generation: 600 bhp

The fourth generation added 90 bhp, and has a time gap of two years with the third generation. As I pointed to you out before, previous generations came one year after the other one ended. What makes you think of the fourth generation as not a real generation? It has more attributes than the other generations. That is, the time gap between it and the third one was bigger than the ones between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and 3rd. Plus 30 extra bhp compared to the 60 bhp the third generation added compared to the second one.

It's a new generation indeed. According to you, the '08 Viper is very diffferent to the '06 Viper. That's what I understand by reading "With 600 horsepower, it makes a HUGE difference. Not just horsepower but other additional upgrades within the interior." Thus I came with the conclusion that it's actually a different generation to that of the '06 Viper. Or is it not HUGE enough in your eyes to make a different generation? As far as numbers go, I think I "found" enough to prove you wrong there.

Oh, and... What does Chrysler gain by saying the Viper is in it's fourth generation? Maybe I'm too stupid to understand.

upgraded car... inferior? No way!

Firstly, upgraded is not the same that updated. You wanted updates cars, not upgraded cars. Some cars have gone from FR to FF. Many people will agree with me that FF isn't precisely the best drivetrain for racing when compared to FR.

08 and the 06. Hence, his complaints on 06 over 08.

"Why bother using the inferior one"

Clearly, he wants the inferior one to be removed. Reading comprehension, come on. 👍

I placed these two on purpose.

I'm sorry, but I don't see a mention of the '06 Viper being asked to be replaced at all. I don't care what can be deduced of what he said, because that is something people interpretate in different ways. He could have meant "People won't use it/ I won't use it". The latter is more correct, as we can see clearly in this thread people are highly reluctant of losing a model for a newer one.

Personally, I wouldn't even bother to use an old model of a Skyline. But I won't ask for it to be deleted just because I won't use it. That's your problem right there. You don't care about everyone else. I do.

Your spelling is what I'm concerned about now.

As long as you actually understand me, I couldn't care less about the spelling. It's not a spelling contest, after all. Oh, and next time, make sure to quote my spelling mistakes. Past is in the past.




Why don't make a poll about the subject? Or you don't want to see your "166 votes" falling apart so easily?

 

[regoon]

I'm sorry, but if 90hp and interior upgrades, which in your head make for "a big difference", aren't enough to differentiate a car from one generation to another one, what does exactly a generation of a car mean for you? The Vipers have had around 50hp in increments from one generation to another one.

First generation: 400 bhp
Second generation: 450 bhp
Third generation: 510 bhp
Fourth generation: 600 bhp

The fourth generation added 90 bhp, and has a time gap of two years with the third generation. As I pointed to you out before, previous generations came one year after the other one ended. What makes you think of the fourth generation as not a real generation? It has more attributes than the other generations. That is, the time gap between it and the third one was bigger than the ones between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and 3rd. Plus 30 extra bhp compared to the 60 bhp the third generation added compared to the second one.

I don't see it as such because the difference is the hooded vents, a 90+ boost in power, and other additional stuff.

Compare the first, second, and third. They all have different exterior and interior. The difference between these three, imo, makes them far more unique. Yeah, sure the third and fourth also have different exterior and interior but the difference is "minuscule" versus comparing first vs. second vs. third.

It's a new generation indeed. According to you, the '08 Viper is very diffferent to the '06 Viper. That's what I understand by reading "With 600 horsepower, it makes a HUGE difference. Not just horsepower but other additional upgrades within the interior." Thus I came with the conclusion that it's actually a different generation to that of the '06 Viper. Or is it not HUGE enough in your eyes to make a different generation? As far as numbers go, I think I "found" enough to prove you wrong there.

When I said huge difference, i mean in terms of performance numbers. Be it at a track for lap times or drag racing.

Oh, and... What does Chrysler gain by saying the Viper is in it's fourth generation? Maybe I'm too stupid to understand.

By drawing in more people to buy their cars?

Firstly, upgraded is not the same that updated. You wanted updates cars, not upgraded cars. Some cars have gone from FR to FF. Many people will agree with me that FF isn't precisely the best drivetrain for racing when compared to FR.

Upgraded = updated. Simple as that. And since we are clearly on the subject of 08 vs 06 Vipers, update definitely means upgrade.

I'm sorry, but I don't see a mention of the '06 Viper being asked to be replaced at all. I don't care what can be deduced of what he said, because that is something people interpretate in different ways. He could have meant "People won't use it/ I won't use it". The latter is more correct, as we can see clearly in this thread people are highly reluctant of losing a model for a newer one.

Well, maybe he is reading this and will give us a shed of light of what he means. But I'm damn certain I know what he means when he said "Why bother using an inferior model".

Personally, I wouldn't even bother to use an old model of a Skyline. But I won't ask for it to be deleted just because I won't use it. That's your problem right there. You don't care about everyone else. I do.

Actually, I already said if they included both cars, that will be excellent. Just that, if they were to only include one, I definitely rather take the 08 version. Selfish? Maybe. But people wanting the 06 instead of the 08 can be said to them as well.

Why don't make a poll about the subject? Or you don't want to see your "166 votes" falling apart so easily?

If Recondata comes in here and addresses the issue regarding his suggestion, then I'll be the one laughing. 👍 That is if he even reads the forum and says something.

 

[Lucas]

I don't see it as such because the difference is the hooded vents, a 90+ boost in power, and other additional stuff.

Compare the first, second, and third. They all have different exterior and interior. The difference between these three, imo, makes them far more unique. Yeah, sure the third and fourth also have different exterior and interior but the difference is "minuscule" versus comparing first vs. second vs. third.

Though you do have a point when you say "different exterior and interior", the second generation Viper was strikingly similar to the first one.

When I said huge difference, i mean in terms of performance numbers. Be it at a track for lap times or drag racing.

I get what you mean now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

By drawing in more people to buy their cars?

I don't understand how could that make people buy their cars, if you could explain, I would greatly appreciate it. 👍

Upgraded = updated. Simple as that. And since we are clearly on the subject of 08 vs 06 Vipers, update definitely means upgrade.

An update is "A modification of something to a more recent, up-to-date version". In this case, '06 Viper to '08 Viper. To upgrade is "to replace an existing object with something better". I haven't drove the '08 Viper, but let's assume you are right (you could say I love Vipers, I would definitely love if the '08 made it to the game, quite likely it will).

This thread is about older models being updated in general. Note that "in general" doesn't mean "each and everyone of them", like you said before you didn't wanted to happen. But there are models that after being updated, they aren't as good as they were. Yes, we are talking about the Viper right now. But the Viper's case is not the same as every car's case.

What you are saying isn't what your title is reflecting.

Well, maybe he is reading this and will give us a shed of light of what he means. But I'm damn certain I know what he means when he said "Why bother using an inferior model".

Unless you have some mental powers, or you are Recondata, we can't be sure.

Actually, I already said if they included both cars, that will be excellent. Just that, if they were to only include one, I definitely rather take the 08 version. Selfish? Maybe. But people wanting the 06 instead of the 08 can be said to them as well.

It's not selfish to say what you are saying right there. But it's selfish when you say "PD should only have the '08 Viper". What you just said is your opinion. And I'm with you there, I would also like that. Even if I haven't drove the '06 before, since I don't have a PS3. Those who think otherwise, "PD should only have the '06 Viper" are also being selfish. It will likely have both cars, since the '06 Viper has already been made. If they are going to choose only one model, let us hope you and me it will be the '08 Viper. If it's the '06, well, I will be pissed, but I know many other persons will love it, and I will personally drive it. It's new for me, after all.

If Recondata comes in here and addresses the issue regarding his suggestion, then I'll be the one laughing. 👍 That is if he even reads the forum and says something.

A poll about whether some older models should be replaced by newer models, that is. And I don't know why, but today I have the feeling most will vote "yes"...

 

[EvolutionWRX]

I call updating cars 🤬. The question is why?

The rule in GT is to add cars; whats the point of being a "Automotive Encyclopdia" if PD wont be adding cars!?

 

[RickNU]

New versions and stay with the old ones, more variation

 

[eSZee]

I'd much rather have new cars that have the old ones updated.
I'm not against updating old classics and fan favorites but I'd much rather have the new audi a6 v10 than a premium version of the RS6 from 2002, for example.

 

[Ollie1066]

I'd much rather have new cars that have the old ones updated.
I'm not against updating old classics and fan favorites but I'd much rather have the new audi a6 v10 than a premium version of the RS6 from 2002, for example.

I'm the same, to be honest, all the cars we've yet so see I'm hoping are updated mainstream cars.

 

[VXR]

Considering Standard cars are such low poly counts, they should at the very least replace the old model or add them in as well as, because the gulf in 2010/11 MY premiums and 2005 MY standards misses out too many significant cars.

 

[eSZee]

I won't disagree with that, maybe I should've read the 1st post slower. But I agree, the older A4 and 3 series and things like that should definitely be updates. Leave them in as standards but get the new models as premiums. This is what I actually thought would be the case all along. I would have never imagined that between GT4 and GT5, there would be barely any new models.

 

[analog]

I won't disagree with that, maybe I should've read the 1st post slower. But I agree, the older A4 and 3 series and things like that should definitely be updates. Leave them in as standards but get the new models as premiums. This is what I actually thought would be the case all along. I would have never imagined that between GT4 and GT5, there would be barely any new models.

No I'm guessing the OMG moment I had when I first played GT4 regarding all the new additions since GT3 will be heavily reduced.
How many new cars ( Premiums ) are there still left we don't know and haven't seen or even experienced before in Prologue?
About old or obsolete cars being replaced by Premium versions, just look at some of the cars in Prologue which already have been replaced in real life whilst some haven't exactly achieved a legendary status ( Golf Mk4 is included as is its replacement the Mk5, not saying by the way these cars are obsolete ).
This tells me they may plan to remodel a large amount of the Standard cars at some time ( or planned and miscalculated the time it took ) and not necessarily only add the newer model.
In an ideal world all those cars should be remodelled perhaps but since they are so time consuming to make, the priority may change to only include the newer versions of some cars, especially if the older ones aren't exactly remembered ( for me the Audi RS6 isn't the best example to use as an obsolete car though, loved the old one ).

 

[terminator363]

bump

That was stupid