simply pathetic S-5

[HKS racer]

I then begin screwing up in areas i mastered lol.

It happens because "you feel the pressure" you know you are close and you are scared to make a mistake.

It still happens to me when I'm racing at the Nordschleife. Plenty of opportunities to make a mistake but when you'll race there you'll learn not feeling the pressure of being in 1st place and having someone faster behind you trying to make a pass.

 

[GTsail]

Agree with all you said except active steering. Dont ever recommend that to anyone, it makes you go slower, always! (except maybe for extreme cases such as the Tomahawk x...)

Generally, I would agree with you about the active steering, however in this particular license test, I didn't find a significant difference in my lap times between the two settings.

Last night, I briefly tested this license test to refresh my memory about its difficulty, to give my advice to @budster727 , and after about five laps with both settings, my lap times were nearly the same as follows:

Active steering: NONE: 2:10.498
Active steering: Strong: 2:10.680

So (in my admittedly brief test) I found little difference between the two settings. I imagine that drivers with more skill than me might find a greater difference in the lap times.

I did find that I needed to adapt my driving style between the two settings:

With no active steering, the Veyron corners better and can be tossed around the corners without getting reined in by the "nanny" computer, however I had to be more careful with the throttle.

With the Active Steering on strong, the Veyron could be driven more aggressively. However, the down-side was that you became over-confident with your speed, and I found that I was more likely to carry too much speed into the next corner and would plow off the track (or at least compromise my speed thru the corner).

So my advice would be to try both settings if you are struggling to pass this particular license test, and see which setting is better for your individual driving style or skill level.

Use the car's weight to your advantage. I used it to glide through turns and curves.

^^^^This is another good tip:tup:

I was finding that my best speed was obtained when I would glide or coast thru the corners.

I also found that my best speeds thru some of the corners occurred when I would just clip the rumble strip at the apex of the corner.

@budster727 -
What is your best time so far?
Are you close to beating the Bronze time of 2:20.000?


Final thoughts:

Brake early!!!

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[budster727]

Oh the Veryon at Ascari I sweared half an hour but I managed the gold.
The cool thing about this is after the gold I feel I'm improved rougly 0.5 sec on my usual pace.
This test really teach you to approach turns in a slow in fast out way. Which most of the times is the faster approach for every track car combo.

Not only you need to break early but you also need to push enough exiting corners partialize gas if you are going too wide. Another important thing is "cold blood", you might find yourself close to the target but missing by a couple of tenths. Keep calm don't rage quit, you are close, if you are feeling tired drink some fresh water and try again. If you are not achieving gold don't get mad, you'll do it sooner or later. Maybe tomorrow or another day.

Look at your replays and find where's the biggest time loss is, work to improve your time on each part of the track.
I wouldn't use the handbrake I think it unsettle the car but this is just me.

Yes great advice, this test will also teach you weight transfer. Search a bit about weight transfer.

Buy a Veyron don't tune it and go mess around at Silverstone on a large concrete area, try to unsettle the car on purpose and try to understand how to keep it on control after you unsettled it, usually it's countersteer.

This is really the key for online racing and real life racing as well.

This is another trick I still have to learn properly but I'm working on it! Great tip.

Thank you everyone. You've motivated me.

 

[budster727]

Generally, I would agree with you about the active steering, however in this particular license test, I didn't find a significant difference in my lap times between the two settings.

Last night, I briefly tested this license test to refresh my memory about its difficulty, to give my advice to @budster727 , and after about five laps with both settings, my lap times were nearly the same as follows:

Active steering: NONE: 2:10.498
Active steering: Strong: 2:10.680

So (in my admittedly brief test) I found little difference between the two settings. I imagine that drivers with more skill than me might find a greater difference in the lap times.

I did find that I needed to adapt my driving style between the two settings:

With no active steering, the Veyron corners better and can be tossed around the corners without getting reined in by the "nanny" computer, however I had to be more careful with the throttle.

With the Active Steering on strong, the Veyron could be driven more aggressively. However, the down-side was that you became over-confident with your speed, and I found that I was more likely to carry too much speed into the next corner and would plow off the track (or at least compromise my speed thru the corner).

So my advice would be to try both settings if you are struggling to pass this particular license test, and see which setting is better for your individual driving style or skill level.



^^^^This is another good tip:tup:

I was finding that my best speed was obtained when I would glide or coast thru the corners.

I also found that my best speeds thru some of the corners occurred when I would just clip the rumble strip at the apex of the corner.

@budster727 -
What is your best time so far?
Are you close to beating the Bronze time of 2:20.000?


Final thoughts:

Brake early!!!

Good luck!
GTsail

Lol. I saw 2:23 once. Now i cant complete a solid lap. I screw up where ive aced areas etc. Im peddling backwards now so ive let go and taken a substantial break from S-5 test.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Slow in, fast out. The Veyron's big advantage is acceleration and straightline speed. It's cornering is actually quite good all things considered but the lack of sense of speed in GT tricks you into thinking you're not going as fast as you really are much of the time and Ascari doesn't have a lot of trackside objects to help you with the sense of speed either. In my experience the biggest weakness of all sim drivers is they overcook the entry and blow the exit. Your primary objective on every corner should be to hit the apex under control and power out without having to lift. If you plow through corners or run wide, you are simply trying to corner too quickly and in the Veyron you lose more time than in most cars because it takes a little longer to get the tank rotated back on line.

 

[budster727]

Slow in, fast out. The Veyron's big advantage is acceleration and straightline speed. It's cornering is actually quite good all things considered but the lack of sense of speed in GT tricks you into thinking you're not going as fast as you really are much of the time and Ascari doesn't have a lot of trackside objects to help you with the sense of speed either. In my experience the biggest weakness of all sim drivers is they overcook the entry and blow the exit. Your primary objective on every corner should be to hit the apex under control and power out without having to lift. If you plow through corners or run wide, you are simply trying to corner too quickly and in the Veyron you lose more time than in most cars because it takes a little longer to get the tank rotated back on line.

Thank you Johnny. Very true no landmarks at all on cours . Im sure I'll suffer from a aneurysm later but i look forward to practicing

 

[lbpomg95]

For sharper corners, try braking heavy, getting the car to oversteer a bit, then floor it out once the car is pointed in the right direction. Works better without traction control.

 

[Fuzzi0n]

Not sure if anyone else already suggested it, but look up some youtube videos on other people getting gold to give yourself a good idea of the lines, inputs and corner speeds. Take it really slow for a few laps, slowing the car more than you need to so you can get the right line through the corners and make sure you get back on the throttle early. You can build up the pace from there.

 

[kilesa4568]

My son hated this last test too. He spent months trying to get a gold time but as Mr Penso says above, he didn't realise how fast he was going and was often trying to turn the car into the corners with hard braking to try to get it slowed down enough for the corner. Compromising his line on most of the corners and adding time to the lap.

He didn't practice any where near enough on Ascari either. You need to do a good run on there to familiarise yourself with the track as it isn't that easy in the brutally heavy Veyron. Scrub your speed off before you get to the corner (brake in a straight line. The Veyron doesn't like turning under braking) so you have a better line out of the corner to use the huge acceleration.

Once you get the hang of it, it's surprising how lenient the gold time really is. A clever license test by PD as it forces you to slow down to speed up.

 

[Marc30599]

Yeah I'm having trouble with s-5 and see the thing is on my original account I passed this after countless retries...... Now on my second account I can't get gold on S-5 or S-1 my best is silver any tips for S-1?

 

[kilesa4568]

If that's the GT86 test (memory is crap), the key is to use all of the track to try and keep the momentum up.

Trust the car as it handles great plus the power won't get you in trouble. Play with your lines to try and carry more speed through the corners as the track's wide enough to do it.

 

[GTsail]

Here is a link to some license videos from last year:

Special License Golds

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[pogledrip]

Yeah I'm having trouble with s-5 and see the thing is on my original account I passed this after countless retries...... Now on my second account I can't get gold on S-5 or S-1 my best is silver any tips for S-1?

Funny you should ask about S-1,after reading this thread I went to have a bash at S-5 as i've only managed bronze there,but ended up doing Apricot Hill instead,where i'd also bronzed it.Anyways got gold after about half a dozen attempts by getting up to fourth gear and staying there until the straight before the hairpin,good throttle control is the key here-it may feel like you're going slow,but hang in there keep the power constant and don't downshift.
Once you're on the straight its pretty much like a normal lap-just keep it together and the gold'll be in the bag.
Hope this helps and good luck 👍

 

[GBalao888]

I've had some trouble with the S-5 test, knowing that the Bugatti Veyron is one of the worst-handling cars in the game, the tip is to follow the correct racing line, timing and proper braking and throttle management.

 

[Waster3000]

It was only recently that I first got round to doing the S licence tests for one reason or another, and yes, the S-5 had me uttering the most colourful expletives imaginable. Part of the problem (for me) was the Bugatti Veyron: a veritable barge, as already mentioned here; the other part was unfamiliarity with the Ascari circuit. I'd never done much running at that track in the past. So, going against my own 'racer's code', I turned on the racing line, which A) reminded me which way the circuit went, and B) showed me where to brake, when not to brake, when to get back on the gas. This was the most important factor for me, because I'd been overdoing my braking in previous attempts, braking late as if I was driving an F430, not a Veyron... Result being, it only took a couple of laps to get the bronze, and that was all I needed. Using a DS3 controller, for what it's worth. Keep at it, and if it starts to grind you down, just leave it for a while and go do something else. You'll nail it in the end.

 

[GTsail]

Lol. I saw 2:23 once. Now I can't complete a solid lap. I screw up where I've aced areas etc. I'm peddling backwards now so I've let go and taken a substantial break from S-5 test.

Its a good idea to take a break for a day or so and come back when you are fresh.👍

For a change of pace, and to see where else you could practice, I purchased a new Bugatti Veyron '09 from the Dealerships (a bit pricey at $2million), and took it to the 10 lap Ascari Resort race (Super Series).

I ran my Veyron completely stock with SH tires and smashed the field. I won by over a minute.
I had to pit twice (lap # 4 and lap #7) since the Veyron sucks down fuel like it has a company paid gas card!
The stock Veyron handles very much like the Veyron in the S-5 license test, so this was some very good practice for the S license. My best lap was a 2:10.121.

However, since you haven't completed your Super license yet, I don't think that you can access the Super Series races yet, so I then took a look at the International A Series races.

The 15 minute Race at the Ascari Full Track looks promising!

So I took my stock '09 Veyron on SH tires to the Ascari track and took a look at the competition.

The AI gets to drive an assortment of race cars on RH tires, but I didn't let that stop me.

On the starting grid were the following:
McLaren F1 GTR
GT by Citroen Race Car
Viper GTS-R Race Car
Skyline GTR R33 Touring Car
IS F Racing Concept
BMW M3 GTR Race Car

The flag drops and we are off!

For the first six laps I drive thru the field and work my way into third place by the end of lap # 6, and I'm just behind the two leaders. I pass the two leaders at the beginning of lap # 7 and then win the race by 0.744 seconds over the McLaren F1 GTR. Quite a nice race! My best lap was a 2:06 flat!

The Veyron seems to be faster in this race than it was for the 10 lap Super race. Its tires don't wear out, nor do you need any fuel, and you don't receive any penalties for inadvertent chicane cutting, so its not a race that will give you perfect practice for the S-5 license, but it still might be worthwhile to help learn the Ascari track. The racing against the other AI was much more challenging, so that was a plus, but the Veyron seemed to be faster so its not a perfect race to practice for the S-5 license.

Good luck with your continued attempts!
GTsail

 

[budster727]

Its a good idea to take a break for a day or so and come back when you are fresh.👍

For a change of pace, and to see where else you could practice, I purchased a new Bugatti Veyron '09 from the Dealerships (a bit pricey at $2million), and took it to the 10 lap Ascari Resort race (Super Series).

I ran my Veyron completely stock with SH tires and smashed the field. I won by over a minute.
I had to pit twice (lap # 4 and lap #7) since the Veyron sucks down fuel like it has a company paid gas card!
The stock Veyron handles very much like the Veyron in the S-5 license test, so this was some very good practice for the S license. My best lap was a 2:10.121.

However, since you haven't completed your Super license yet, I don't think that you can access the Super Series races yet, so I then took a look at the International A Series races.

The 15 minute Race at the Ascari Full Track looks promising!

So I took my stock '09 Veyron on SH tires to the Ascari track and took a look at the competition.

The AI gets to drive an assortment of race cars on RH tires, but I didn't let that stop me.

On the starting grid were the following:
McLaren F1 GTR
GT by Citroen Race Car
Viper GTS-R Race Car
Skyline GTR R33 Touring Car
IS F Racing Concept
BMW M3 GTR Race Car

The flag drops and we are off!

For the first six laps I drive thru the field and work my way into third place by the end of lap # 6, and I'm just behind the two leaders. I pass the two leaders at the beginning of lap # 7 and then win the race by 0.744 seconds over the McLaren F1 GTR. Quite a nice race! My best lap was a 2:06 flat!

The Veyron seems to be faster in this race than it was for the 10 lap Super race. Its tires don't wear out, nor do you need any fuel, and you don't receive any penalties for inadvertent chicane cutting, so its not a race that will give you perfect practice for the S-5 license, but it still might be worthwhile to help learn the Ascari track. The racing against the other AI was much more challenging, so that was a plus, but the Veyron seemed to be faster so its not a perfect race to practice for the S-5 license.

Good luck with your continued attempts!
GTsail

Killer killer idea. I'll do it. Now biggest part is that chicane beginning lol. Retard alert I'll buy car tonight and update you further

 

[Voodoovaj]

Killer killer idea. I'll do it. Now biggest part is that chicane beginning lol. Retard alert I'll buy car tonight and update you further

Use the braking markers on the track they really do help. A lot of people also have yet to discover that you get more braking power if you back off the brakes as you slow down. Full brake pressure is great at high speed, but the ABS will still make you plow wide if you continue full braking all the way to the apex.

You might want to practice with ABS zero for a bit. I know it sounds challenging, but you will get a feel for when the lock kicks in and how to control it. Then, when you put the ABS back on, you'll find your lap time dropping as you use the brakes better.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

My simple advise is to turn the tcs off, and drive it like a rallycar. It sounds dumb, but the Veyron responds well to it. I only did one try at the S-5 right now (over a year since I last drove it), and did 2:15, slippin' an' a slidin'. Not only was it fairly efficient, it was also alot of fun!

 

[RodolphoPNeto]

This may sound counter-intuitive, but try to lower your pace a little. You have this theoretical lap time you can do if you drive at 100% of your ability, but the closer to your limit that you drive, the higher the risk that you make a mistake.

So try taking a step back, braking a bit earlier than you'd have to, taking the corners a bit slower than you'd have to, giving a little less throttle on corner exit, etc.

Doing a lot of clean laps, even if it's only at 90 - 95% of your ability, will also help you to get a better feel for the car and the track, allowing you to push harder later on without driving at the absolute edge of your ability.

This is the best advice to beat any TT, and the way i managed to gold licenses, missions, Senna, Tomahawks... Also the wrong sense of speed as pointed out might be the reason to throw most people out in that one, so breaking really is the key as mentioned by many. Manage a couple of (slow) clean laps first, then worry about lowering your times, it's really not that bad compared to other TTs in GT history

PS - S Series is where it's at mate, tire wear, fuel, rain, "endurance"... take breaks and keep at it, it's worth it!

 

[trevor24]

hey famine any tips or advice on S-1, S-4 & S-5 should could use some help, please?