Simulation steering mode drifting.

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Got a question about the steering settings in gt3, thought maybe someone could help. I notice that the "simulation" setting allows for virtually no counter-steer past a very slight angle (during "drifts", intentional or not). This exact same kind of steering feel is present in the pro-simulation driving mode of Toca Race driver 2. It doesnt allow for any countersteering really either in this mode. Ive heard people say that the "simulation" setting is unrealistic. Im not at all saying their wrong about the simulation steering setting being unrealistic, I
haven't a clue what the most realistic mode is. Im just confused as to
why polyphony dig. and codemasters, would put these "super-sim" modes in
their games when they (supposedly) aren't accurate simulations. I mean, it just seems ridiculous to accuse poly digital of inaccurate simulation. Is there some factor in real life driving that would inhibit full opposite lock? Why else would it be like that in SIM mode?! Maybe if you counter-steered that hard in real life you'd damage the steering or something?? I have no idea. Just an off the wall guess.

On the other hand, it seems near impossible for the cars I see in real drift videos to do the things they do if they handle in real life like the cars in gt3 or toca 2 do
in their respective "super-sim" modes.(i.e. simulation steering, pro-simulation modes)
If anyone has any info to help clarify this subject for me id appreciate it.
Thanks alot for the help. :dopey: :crazy:
 
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I'm almost certain this is the wrong thread. This should be in the Gran Turismo 3 thread, as you are only talking about steering, being realistic or not, and only a very small portion is indirectly talking about drifting.

-Mike
 
Thanks. Appreciate the welcome!
In defense of my post; I need to understand the physics of steering well to understand drifting. Especially countersteering. I dont want to be in my car about to try my first real drift expecting to encounter a sort of GT3 "simulation" steering mode when I actually encounter GT3 "proffesional" steering mode or vice-versa! :scared: Who else would know better about the physics taking place while countersteering than drifters? Afterall, when you drift your simply balancing the laws of physics to keep your car sideways, and your means of balancing those laws is through your steering wheel. I just wanted to gain a better understanding of real life steering physics so I could apply it directly to drift control.
Anyhow... I guess I can rephrase the question for you: Why is it so difficult to countersteer while drifting in simulation steering mode? If I were to take my car on the road and try to drift it, would I experience physics more similiar to proffesional steering mode or simulation mode and >why<? :)
 
Well you first you have to understand that GT3 can't re-create everything that in real life, as it is only "simulator" and it can only do so much.

Now to answer your question, you would experience neither. I know from real life experiences, that drifting is a whole different world in real life. (I drift in real life with my rx-7 fc)

If your using a DS2 you have a lot to learn about control and other things, but if you use the DFP you can feel the differences between the movements of you car, and how each time you apply gas the car reacts in differnt ways during a corner. (If you have a car) gt3 does a good job of this but its not perfect.

If you do indeed have a car, and you want to learn to drift I recommend an open parking lot and lots of cones. Also you should get the Drift Bible featuring Keiichi Tsuchiya.

If you have anyother questions i'll be glad to help
 
Well yea i've got a car, but it'd be a cold day in hell when I drift it on anything but snow. :lol: Its a tank. Thats the first place I went to was the nearest parking lot btw. Every snowy day I take it out driftin through.
I've pretty much near mastered drifting with the dual shock 2. I got the dfp a few days ago and am gettin used to the different feel of it.
You still havnt answered my question though. Obviously GT3 isn't a perfect simulator, but if I were to take my car on the road and try to drift it, would I experience physics more similiar to proffesional steering mode or simulation mode?(say, if, i was driving a rx- 7 fc) ;)
 
What you would find is GT3 is far far far more forgiving than a real car. I have a small, small window to begin the counter steer in my MR2 AW11, by small, I mean I normally miss it. Good thing I'm smart enough to practice in parking lots. Each car has extremely different steering feel. GT3 seems to be nice to anyone steering, period.

The car I have more experiance drifting in real life is a 94 Tercel on gravel, snow, and wet pavement. It feels different from FF cars in the game, and different from my MR2. The fact is, GT3 might teach you what happens when you mess up, like going ass backwards in an MR car if you spin out, but don't expect to go from GT3 to real drifting and have anything be the same.

Thats just being safe too. You don't want to end up like some guys I've seen that think they are badass racers cause of GT3 or PGR or something, go out, and slide off the road. Or just fail measurablely at autocrossing.
 
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Well yea i've got a car, but it'd be a cold day in hell when I drift it on anything but snow. :lol: Its a tank. Thats the first place I went to was the nearest parking lot btw. Every snowy day I take it out driftin through.
I've pretty much near mastered drifting with the dual shock 2. I got the dfp a few days ago and am gettin used to the different feel of it.
You still havnt answered my question though. Obviously GT3 isn't a perfect simulator, but if I were to take my car on the road and try to drift it, would I experience physics more similiar to proffesional steering mode or simulation mode?(say, if, i was driving a rx- 7 fc) ;)
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Yes i did .
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Now to answer your question, you would experience neither.
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Yes i did. My anwser was that you would not experience proffesional steering mode or simulation mode. Its just not possible. Or should i say, its not possible yet...

-Mike
 
Thanks for the info Azure.
Mike, my question was which mode do you think it is "more similiar" to. For the last time I know neither mode is EXACTLY like driving. I just wanted to know, in your own humble opinion, is real drifting "more similiar" to Simulation steering or proffesional steering mode. Im not trying to force you to answer. Just pointing out that you didnt choose one or the other, which is perfectly ok if you dont feel either come close.
 
kurtg_85
Thanks for the info Azure.
Mike, my question was which mode do you think it is "more similiar" to. For the last time I know neither mode is EXACTLY like driving. I just wanted to know, in your own humble opinion, is real drifting "more similiar" to Simulation steering or proffesional steering mode. Im not trying to force you to answer. Just pointing out that you didnt choose one or the other, which is perfectly ok if you dont feel either come close.
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from what ive read around on the boards, use professional mode. it allows you to countersteer. 👍
 
kurtg_85
Thanks for the info Azure.
Mike, my question was which mode do you think it is "more similiar" to. For the last time I know neither mode is EXACTLY like driving. I just wanted to know, in your own humble opinion, is real drifting "more similiar" to Simulation steering or proffesional steering mode. Im not trying to force you to answer. Just pointing out that you didnt choose one or the other, which is perfectly ok if you dont feel either come close.
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Oh well I’m sorry, it sounded like you wanted to know what would be like in real life.

I use professional mode, and it seems to re-create driving the best for me.

194GVan
from what ive read around on the boards, use professional mode. it allows you to countersteer. 👍
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All steering modes allow you to counter steer.

-Mike
 
exactly ... all alow you to countersteer. problem is, that in simulation mode it just doesn't seem to work :D

after many hours of trying I just set it back to professional mode and been using it since. I mean .... I just don't get that simlation mode - what it actually does. Because I drift a lot (from GT3, GT4P, to LFS, Racer and some other games on PC (LFS Supports DFP on 900 mode perfectly :D) and it is OK. I have tried some oversteer action also in real car and must say, that it is not that hard as in simulation mode. Obviously they just didn't do it perfectly. Sorry for them.
 
Yah, from the small amount of snow drifting ive done, pro mode seems the most realistic to me too Mike. Thanks for your input.
Thats exactly how i feel Viper. If you watch the wheels when your trying to counter steer in sim mode, they literally dont even point in the direction your steering once youve gone into a moderate slide past say like 10 degrees off axis of all 4 wheels gripping.

BTW how do i do the little box thing that quotes what someone else has said.?
 
kurtg_85
Yah, from the small amount of snow drifting ive done, pro mode seems the most realistic to me too Mike. Thanks for your input.
Thats exactly how i feel Viper. If you watch the wheels when your trying to counter steer in sim mode, they literally dont even point in the direction your steering once youve gone into a moderate slide past say like 10 degrees off axis of all 4 wheels gripping.

BTW how do i do the little box thing that quotes what someone else has said.?
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bottom right of their post, a thing with " and the word quote.
btw, i use SIM, and i can drift just fine...i cant really feel any difference in any of the modes while drifting.
maybe its just me...
 
kurtg_85
BTW how do i do the little box thing that quotes what someone else has said.?
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You mean like this?

It's simple. You find the post which you want to quote and in the bottom right corner of that post you can see button with ["reply] on it. Hover your mouse cursor over it and you'll see the message. After you click it, you jump into replay mode with that quote. As you can see there, you can also delete all the unnecessary stuff from quoted post (like I did).

Suzuki: really? That's weird. I mean ... are you sure? Because I drive with DS2 a little and a lot with steering wheel, but just can't seem to control the car properly. I am able to drift a bit sometimes with sim mode but most of that is just luck ...
 
vipersan
You mean like this? find the post which you want to quote and in the bottom right corner of that post you can see button with ["reply] on it.

Thanks got it. Unless what im typing winds up in the quote box... :lol:
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