Skid Recovery Is Not Assist, but Cheat? RX7 race?

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FranckDreden
Hi there,

I don't want to troll, mess with anyone who thinks drive best in a VIDEO GAME BUT... i'd like to know one thing when you say : SRF are cheat and so on and so on... What controller you drive with ? PS3 Pad ? Steering Wheel ? Playseat with a G27 ?

Now, c'mon a bit down to my level, I'm a non professional driver, play video games for fun and don't own even the slightest meanest baddest steering wheel, I drive with the most BASIC controller ever found in a PS3 box !!!!

Now... How the HECK am i gonna do to CONTROL my gas and my steering with that lowlife deleted by Moderator controller of a PS3 standard pad !!!!!!???? and not over or understeer losing traction with such a baddie as a RX7 !? huh ? HOW !!!!

Now cut the crap and stop yelling at pple who uses that kind of thing...

I golded all A-Spec and special events no pblm, with a pad and without aids most of the time, but as for the seasonal and licenses, yeah, I almost broke one pad throwing it all the way through the room because I couldn't even succeed the 7th place in about 20 tryouts !

So plze, stop saying : using aids are lame, cheats and only the hAx0rs should own the game and play it with a f...ing playseat and G27 !!! maaaan ! get a life !
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I can totally understand you. The topic was not meant to express superiority over assist users, but just to make clear the difference that SRF makes. It transforms a next to impossible race (RX-7) into an easy one, not assisting but, hmm creating traction. Sure, if any of us is frustrated at a certain point is free to use it and cannot be judged. Most important is to have fun, after all and everybody is free to achieve it however she/he likes.
I also don't have much time for GT5, BTW. I'm using a G25 on a rather uncomfortable set up, involving a coffy table :( :)
 
The SRF is such a joke. I understand that it's made to make the game playable to a wider audience (don't get me started on "accessibility" as a buzzword in modern game design) but it's just too powerful. It almost eliminates the need for braking when it's on.

I haven't attempted any of the seasonal events because I've gotten to like racing against human opponents but I completely understand where the OP is coming from. It sucks that we have to dumb down our game to be competitive. That's part of the reason I like online racing so much is that you can ensure with regulations that some guy with no driving ability isn't racing at the same level as someone who can actually control a car.
 
Sorry for the frustration that got out of my first and latest post (not including this one !). Even the moderators warned me (for a first post, wow) !

Anyway, all I wanted to say is that I'm reading the board (while grinding my B-Spec ;) ) and about half the time I keep seeing people saying : I gold this no assist, all too easy no assist, hands in the pocket no assist !!!

Maaaan, I'm soooo frustrated, I mean... Santa Claus forgot my home when delivering G27s' !
I must say I'm a man of honor and a truly capable driver behind a real wheel, but when I try to compete without any assist and my poor pad, I've got a hard time hitting gold every time !

I remember the first time I tried out NASCAR school. I took the impala I won earlier (don't even remember where or when), tuned her a bit and then tried the first session. Man ! I almost choke myself with my pad !
I had a hard time succeeding, either taking assists off to prevent any bug with ASM (not useful with an impala in Nascar) or just trying to avoid hitting walls because of the pad.

I've got a thumbache just because of my pad, I can't stand not being able to go where I want my car to just because of a pad ! I think I'll kill myself rather than try hitting gold after all, if not for assists ! I just can't imagine in the future a wheel being replaced by a pad in real cars ! I'd rather take the train ! :)=)

Anyway, it's true assists are a bit overpowered, but hey, pad owners have this only means to go to the finish line.

IF a pad owner can go gold in licences or seasonal WITHOUT assist, plze, PM me so I can have clues on tuning and such, because I swear I've tried so many times my wife thinks I'm mad :) .

PS : to readers and mods alike, english is not my mother tongue (I'm french), so please excuse any mistake in grammar or syntax, and accept my apologies if I'm using slang sometimes.
 
FranckDreden, may I suggest you don't wait for Santa, but just go and buy a wheel yourself. The best gifts are always the ones that you gift yourself to yourself :)
I thing the Driving Force models are quite decent and affordable. I cannot imagine playing with a pad. I can understand your frustration - Nascar on an oval requires extremely delicate touch, which is simply not possible with 5 cm. of button travel.

P.S. Same with english here. You're doing fine.
 
To ssyd780 :

Actually, I haven't even tried online yet, because for me, it's just like letting PC players compete on a FPS with their keyboard and mouse against console gamers with a pad !
I bet most of the people playing online have a wheel and I can't imagine the slightest I could take over someone that have a wheel !

Don't get me wrong, someone that drives badly could have a wheel and a powerful car and not even have the slightest chance. But personally, I know that I could not get over it even if I'd drove like a god with the most powerful car, just because it's, simply put, impossible !
 
To chaosdd :

I know, I'd like to buy myself a good wheel, but I simply can't for now... know the word : afford ! :)

I've got way much other priorities for now than put say a hundred euros for a wheel that I may regret because it's not top of the prop !

I'd rather go bronze and get a bit frustrated than go proud buying me a medal ! Because it's what's gonna look like for me, I'm purchasing my virtual medals with real money. And don't even think starting a debate on : giving yourself the means to win in video games, I've competed in FPS for far too long and it cost me far too much, so I know the difference between playing for fun at low cost and putting too much into something you only have a few spare time to give to.

So in short, I don't have the money to afford, and I don't think I'd like to if I had it !

So I don't envy others nor throw my frustrations to people who HAVE a wheel, I just say to some people that go off like : "hey, this game should have no assist at all, it's unrealistic", please people, think about other players who just can't do otherwise.

The word accessibility might be a good one maybe ! :)
 
Yeh I tried my X1 around High Speed Ring and was getting used to it with all aids off apart from Driving Line and Skid Recovery and clocking low 35 seconds. Could go flat out and only have to slow for the 2 corners after the bridge (only slow to about 180 mph).

I also tried it without Skid Recovery and it was VERY different. I had to slow for the first corner and pretty much all the corners. Skid Recovery was a massive aid which is more of a cheat. Like people said you can turn it off tho and make sure others are not using it...
 
I haven't play GT5 with DS3 yet. I use G25. I'm not going to speak about how much better experience with the g25 it is.

I understand that all the people cannot afford a wheel. Mine was a present from my family.

That is not the question here, I think. If I want ASM, TC, ABS, line, etc. turned on it will make the experience easier. Doesn't matter witch controller you use, it would be easier with the assists on.

For example, if I am bad with the throttle and I spin a lot, I can turn TC on and it would be easier to control the throttle. That's a help, not a cheat.

The problem here is than many people think that SRF is a cheat. And so do I. It's not a way to make it easier, it's a way to go faster.

I'm not a good GT5 driver. I have no time nowadays. But i don't want a switch that makes all the hole think a walk. I've tried hard to gold fiat 500 seasonal, and finally I got it (only ABS 1). It was, for me, a big reward. But when i read that it is easy with SRF on and that many people was gold... Don't know how to express myself but it was a bit dissapointing.

I think hard things has to be hard and easy things has to be easy, for all the people. PD should do as other games do. For example, in COD you set your difficulty level. You can do all the game (solo campaing) in wathever level you choose. But you get different PSN trophies for ending it in easy or hard level. As I don't have so many time, then I'd choose easy (not so many deaths).

GT should have a level for expert people, whith no aids or 'real' aids (if the car doesn't have ABS...), and different throphies for that. So, when we got one of this expert throphies, you know you are a big one :-D.

On the other hand, there are people that frustates themselves if they doen't reach gold. Why? I have only a few golds and it's not frustating. I got the ones that fit my driving level, just the way it should be. I did more golds in GT2 and GT3 than I did in GT4 or I'm doing in GT5. And in GT2 and GT3 I used dualshok but... i had more time to play.

P.D.: Sorry for my english. I'm spanish.
 
I totally agree with you.

Without SRF I hardly managed a 2nd place with Focus ST 5" behind the RS. I was very tired. Maybe will try again.

I'm trying now the RX7 race and with these tires is almost impossible to lap in 1'00 for 10 laps.

Almost the same considerations you did. I think I'm a decent driver (in GT4 I ever tried to win with the worst car, and I mean VERY worst car). Also drive only with ABS at 1, everything off.

SRF is a cheat.
It must be excluded in all races, except maybe in arcade mode.
 
Vince McMahon
It's all about..the munneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
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There are kids that play this game and people who have 0 racing skills (NFS players and such). If they took out skid recovery, the game would lose its popularity and subsequently, lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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With that said, I started using it myself because I didn't want to repeat the seasonal events. I want to level up to 35 as quick as I can to enter the X1 challenge. Sadly though, my PS3's HDD died on me last week and now I'm back to level 20 -.-

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I still think time trials shouldn't have SR though. If only we could have leaderboards -.-
 
I really don't get all these threads popping up against SRF. If you don't want to use it, don't use it. As others have mentioned multiple times now, they included this assist so the game could appeal to a larger amount of players. They're not going to remove it from the game, so I would just drop that idea all together.

I don't use SRF, cause I'd rather just accept that Im only good enough to place second in a race with assists off, over turning it on to get gold. There are quite a few people on here who have gotten gold on both the Focus and RX-7 seasonal events without SRF, so it can be done. But if you choose to turn it on to get gold, good for you, and to each his own. It has absolutely no effect on how I play the game, and doesn't make me enjoy the game any less.

Too many people on this board are overly concerned with how others play this game. That and the size of some of your egos is just ridiculous. Seems like a lot of you play the game for the sole reason of getting on the forums and bragging about your achievements. 👎
 
tdk
There are kids that play this game and people who have 0 racing skills (NFS players and such).
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Oi - I was with Need for Speed right from the first title (after they stole the Test Drive staff).

tdk
Sadly though, my PS3's HDD died on me last week and now I'm back to level 20 -.-
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Hm... 💡
 
FranckDreden
To ssyd780 :

Actually, I haven't even tried online yet, because for me, it's just like letting PC players compete on a FPS with their keyboard and mouse against console gamers with a pad !
I bet most of the people playing online have a wheel and I can't imagine the slightest I could take over someone that have a wheel !

Don't get me wrong, someone that drives badly could have a wheel and a powerful car and not even have the slightest chance. But personally, I know that I could not get over it even if I'd drove like a god with the most powerful car, just because it's, simply put, impossible !
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A wheel helps for sure and it is more fun with a wheel but you can win with teh controller as well. You will find all types online. Many use the wheel more use the pad, many are good, more are not. You will always find racers who will beat you using the pad and/or the wheel and you will always find racers you can beat.

On Forza I had quite a few top 100 times with a controller and won 100s of races against good racers online. I also lost quite a few.
 
ItsHim
Oi - I was with Need for Speed right from the first title (after they stole the Test Drive staff).



Hm... 💡
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Lol. I'm still with them, I have been since NFS II SE version. I'm just talking about the guys who never actually played a sim. Nothing wrong with NFS really as long as you're aware it's not real racing/driving.


What about the PS3 dying part?
 
tdk
There are kids that play this game and people who have 0 racing skills (NFS players and such). If they took out skid recovery, the game would lose its popularity and subsequently, lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Why? Are you stuck if you don't archive gold? The only problem without SRF is that we are not going to go gold, only silver most of the time. And I think that is good, because it places everyone whenever he must stay.

Maybe in Arcade Mode, but in Online or even A-Spec I think is a bad idea to allow SRF.

Is SRF going to make you advace faster in A-Spec? Maybe, but sure you can advance faster if they give exp you for free (what if they give it just to enter a race, had you won it or not?). If you want easy exp, just ask for them.

Is SRF making you happier? It's a pleasure to receive a gold when you know you have done it well but, are you happy when you receive a gold without effort? It makes me sad.

Things need to be balanced. You wouldn't win a gold without merit. It's just my oppinion.
 
JeffKill
I really don't get all these threads popping up against SRF. If you don't want to use it, don't use it. As others have mentioned multiple times now, they included this assist so the game could appeal to a larger amount of players. They're not going to remove it from the game, so I would just drop that idea all together.

I don't use SRF, cause I'd rather just accept that Im only good enough to place second in a race with assists off, over turning it on to get gold. There are quite a few people on here who have gotten gold on both the Focus and RX-7 seasonal events without SRF, so it can be done. But if you choose to turn it on to get gold, good for you, and to each his own. It has absolutely no effect on how I play the game, and doesn't make me enjoy the game any less.

Too many people on this board are overly concerned with how others play this game. That and the size of some of your egos is just ridiculous. Seems like a lot of you play the game for the sole reason of getting on the forums and bragging about your achievements. 👎
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Hmm, I don't know who are you refering to, but I started this to share my findings about SRF. Until a couple of days, I considered it an assist and just didn't know it actually made you go faster and made such huge difference, because I had never used it. It completely changes the rules. I actually didn't know that, although being fairly experienced player. That's all.
Sure, anybody can play the way she/he sees fit. No bragging whatsoever.
 
chaosdd
Hmm, I don't know who are you refering to, but I started this to share my findings about SRF. Until a couple of days, I considered it an assist and just didn't know it actually made you go faster and made such huge difference, because I had never used it. It completely changes the rules. I actually didn't know that, although being fairly experienced player. That's all.
Sure, anybody can play the way she/he sees fit. No bragging whatsoever.
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Wasn't referring to you. There are already a few topics about the 2 seasonal events that people are struggling with, and using SRF to get gold. And in these threads (yours included), there are quite a few people that fit the description.
 
JeffKill
Too many people on this board are overly concerned with how others play this game. That and the size of some of your egos is just ridiculous. Seems like a lot of you play the game for the sole reason of getting on the forums and bragging about your achievements. 👎
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Sorry but, what egos? I'm telling you that I'm a bad driver. But i'm trying to see the other part too.

If I'm not good to achieve a gold, then it's ok. What is the problem when you don't get gold? Does it hurt your ego? Why do you need to cheat to achieve? Of course that if it is there, people will use it, but i'm telling you that it's not very fair. Sure it is going to stay. PD are not going to kill that feature. But i think assist need to be marked at online. Just to be fair.

And if it is a question of time... I haven't finished GT4 yet. And it's ok for me then. I'm happy to see people enjoying full time and people ejoying only when they can.

This things make people missundertood, because thing are easy or difficult depending on the SRF, not depending on the thing itself.
 
namregzepol
Sorry but, what egos? I'm telling you that I'm a bad driver. But i'm trying to see the other part too.

If I'm not good to achieve a gold, then it's ok. What is the problem when you don't get gold? Does it hurt your ego? Why do you need to cheat to achieve? Of course that if it is there, people will use it, but i'm telling you that it's not very fair. Sure it is going to stay. PD are not going to kill that feature. But i think assist need to be marked at online. Just to be fair.
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Apparently I wasn't referring to you then either, was I? Did you even bother to read my entire post? Your reply would say otherwise, as I have no idea who you're talking to, but you quoted me. I clearly stated that I have no problem accepting that fact that I cant get gold using no assists on those 2 events. Go read through the 10 other threads on this topic, and you'll see the egos Im talking about.

You have the option to restrict SRF when you create a lobby. I would suggest doing so (as I have), if you don't want people in your lobby using it.
 
chaosdd
Sure, if anybody likes Skid Recovery or some assist on (maybe from time to time) - free to do it. (...)

BTW. I'm 31, also hard working and time limited.
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I'm 33, also hard working and time limited and SR is a bull**** to me : it's like playing arcade vs half arcade.
 
JeffKill
Apparently I wasn't referring to you then either, was I? Did you even bother to read my entire post? Your reply would say otherwise, as I have no idea who you're talking to, but you quoted me. I clearly stated that I have no problem accepting that fact that I cant get gold using no assists on those 2 events. Go ready through the 10 other threads on this topic, and you'll see the egos Im talking about.

You have the option to restrict SRF when you create a lobby. I would suggest doing so (as I have), if you don't want people in your lobby using it.
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Sorry. I didn't want to bother you (in singular).

The reply was for the people that need to use SRF or they are unhappy. I'm not criticize them, I only want to know why they need it.

It's not a war, and sure mine is only one of the posible opinions. I'm here to hear yours (in plural).
 
namregzepol
Sorry. I didn't want to bother you (in singular).

The reply was for the people that need to use SRF or they are unhappy. I'm not criticize them, I only want to know why they need it.

It's not a war, and sure mine is only one of the posible opinions. I'm here to hear yours (in plural).
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Understood 👍

There are a lot of people playing this game, all of them different. Some aren't as good at racing games as others. PD put the option in the game so a larger variety of people could enjoy it. Im sure there are a huge number of players that don't even look at these forums, that use SRF for every race in the game. Because that is what is fun for them. That is really my only point. Not everyone is a "hardcore" sim racer.
 
JeffKill
Understood 👍

Not everyone is a "hardcore" sim racer.
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I agree with you. But I think SRF is more 'let's cheat' than 'let's make it easy'.

Do you know CODs and their extreme modes? Sure you know. They are modes without radar, hud and whatever. It wouln't be fair if they put a 'radar' option, for example. If anybody want it easy, just go to the normal modes (not so easy at all).

Things need to be fair. It's ok for me to make this option available in Arcade and Practise. In A-Spec it's ok since you don't get the throphye or whatever (give different reward, anything). People need to know that it can do better, they only need to practise. I'm not talking about a big difference, only a detail, something you know can show to be proud of (plus the internal proud, it's already there :) ).

In online... well, you told me before 👍

Hopefully I had explained myself this time :).
 
I would agree with the op, that this is a cheat and not a realistic driving aid. I can go pretty quick even with a ds3, I was lapping in the 1 minutes for every lap and i was driving as good as I could. I came second place losing by 1 second. I know there are people faster than me, I know with a my wheel I would get gold easily but, I just tried this SRF and I could drive like a moron and win just mashing the throttle and and getting into the 58 seconds lap times and winning by 6 seconds. I guess it would kind of even out the playing field between ds3 and wheel users but there is very little actual driving skill needed with this SRF on. It just feels wrong to use it, I feel like I'm not really earning the gold honestly. How many ds3 users have actually got gold, with out SRF?
 
The reply was for the people that need to use SRF or they are unhappy. I'm not criticize them, I only want to know why they need it.
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To namregzepol :

Actually this is my entire problem. In fact I do find this assist a big help but definitely not a cheat. Let me tell you why.

Do you find realistic the manner the gas is managed with a single digital button : you press it accelerates, you don't, the gas stops. Personally, I don't... I have my REAL driving license for 16 years now and I can tell you the big difference is : if I want my car to go FULL THROTTLE I push the pedal to the metal, if I want it to go slower but still accelerate, I push the pedal half way ! See ?

I drove cars like Audi S3 250 BHP and other kind of cars in between 200 and 280 BHP in real. All I can tell is that a poor stick to handle the car and a single digital button to handle the gas, man ! it's never meant to be realistic that way. Hence : if I go like : push the button, don't push, push, don't push a zillion times a second just to do LIKE it was a pedal I'm pushing halfway, I surely will throw too much gas in the engine, then accelerating too much, then going oversteering or understeering. Anyway, the SFR is the ONLY thing I have personally to avoid that kind of crap not having a pedal !

So please people, stop waging war to those who uses SFR or other assists. The game is MADE that way, it's not a cheat.

Want a pure example of cheat : birthday exploit, car duplication... THESE things are definitely cheating !
 
The buttons on the joypad are not just on off there is some range if you press it lightly or half way, anyway the stick gives you plenty of range so why don't you use that for accelerator?
 
When i take the DS3 that assist is neccesary, unless you are an excellent driver... (maybe i´m wrong...)

I havent tried but do you think l2 r2 are better for accel./brake?
 
I tried this Skid Assist (SA) thing last night when trying to get first place on the GTR seasonal event.

Using the regular PS3 controller my best result before SA was silver with 11/12 seconds behind the leader.

When I tried SA, I was still only silver, but now 15/16 seconds behind the leader.

Why is SA making me slower when I read all these reports about how it makes you faster?

I did notice the extra traction/grip but it was so unreal that I think it caused me to drive wrong, thus being slower despite the extra grip... (wrong driving lines maybe)....
 
Irish_59
When i take the DS3 that assist is neccesary, unless you are an excellent driver... (maybe i´m wrong...)

I havent tried but do you think l2 r2 are better for accel./brake?
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Maybe, it depends on what you're used to, I've been using the sticks since GT1 i forced myself to use them because they were better and it was worth it in the end, but this new thing using the triggers, I can see an advantage being able to use both brake and accelerator at the same time but I find using those triggers makes the other shoulder buttons almost obsolete for me, and the main reason I don't use them is because I find using the same hand for braking and steering very inaccurate. One hand for steering and one for throttle and brake makes more sense to me and is far more accurate for me too. But maybe different for others.
 
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