Skyline r34 gtr vs C5 z06

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Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
it simply shows that power isn't everything. One of the main reasons the skyline is such a formidable force on the track is because it was designed on the Nurburgring so naturally it will have great handling.

I do have a question though...is the c5 corvette a special edition? or what makes it different from a regular corvette?

The "Power isnt everything" rule doesnt apply to some people at certain times. The Skyline might handle a little better than the Vette on some cases, but how long can it handle that good? Corvette's last for long hours at hard work. IMO, a Skyline, and a C5, shouldnt be compared anyway...

but the R34 Skyline is faster in almost every aspect, especially on a racetrack.

Not to fight, but that is pretty much an opinion, or a fact based on certain tracks.
 
Originally posted by Scaff

'98 Corvette (344bhp) - 8 mins 40 secs

'99 Skyline GTR (276bhp) - 8 mins 28 secs


the skyline has more hp then that but they just dont say it does so it doesnt mean that the skyline is that far off hp wise from the vette it just means nissan says that it only has 276 which most japenese car dealers say to keep all the cars equal
 
the r34 skyline will definately beat the standard c5 by about 10 sec on the track, at least on the tsukuba anyways, best motoring video source. but the c5 z06 should beat the r34 skyline, based on the times ive seen at nurburgring. this z06 is the 04 special edition vette, that did the nurburgring in under 8 min. that article says that all 04 vettes had slightly diff suspension parts which helped it handle noticeably better than previous c5 vettes on the track.
 
Originally posted by drifter7
the skyline has more hp then that but they just dont say it does so it doesnt mean that the skyline is that far off hp wise from the vette it just means nissan says that it only has 276 which most japenese car dealers say to keep all the cars equal

If you've ever seen dyno #'s from C5 Corvette's, they usualy make the factory quoted 350 crank hp, at the wheels. Almost every manufacturer that has built a sports car within' the last decade has given false hp numbers. And the Skyline's actual #'s are anywhere from 300-328*awhp from what I've seen. Which still put's it 100hp under the Z06.

Not to fight, but that is pretty much an opinion, or a fact based on certain tracks.
%95 of the time I don't open my mouth unless I have proof. Look at any test between the two cars, on any track. The Skyline win's 3 times out of 4. That's a pretty over-powering statistic.
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
The Skyline might handle a little better than the Vette on some cases, but how long can it handle that good? Corvette's last for long hours at hard work.

It can handle like that forever. Or atleast untill your tires give out. The reason the skyline handles so well is due to its advanced electronic systems. Correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think any other car in the world has such an advanced system.
 
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stock R34 on a dyno puts out 328 PS at 6,420 so monster is right on. As for the gentlemans agreement I just finished my research paper on it and why it started. I can't post it untill I get it back because i fmy teacher finds it online she'll think I cheated :rollseyes:
 
Originally posted by neanderthal
except in a key figure. one thats a good measure of effieciency, horsepower per liter.

M3. 3.2 liters, 321 horses= 100.31 horseys. big ones.

Good stuff in your post, neanderthal. Small correction, though. The S54 in the M3 makes 333 SAE (with US catalysts), 343 DIN horsepower (with Euro catalysts)... which makes the engine even more impressive from a specific power stand point.

The 321 number is for the E36 M3 Evo ('96-99). FYI, The up-dated S54 in the M3 CSL makes 355 DIN with just air-flow changes on the intake side. That's more than a stock 5.7 liter LS1. Of course, there is quite a bit more room for more power from the LS1 than the S54.. which is pretty much tapped out for a street car.


Originally posted by neanderthal
the corvettes great fuel economy is a result of many of these things. its lighter than an M5 by almost 1000 lbs. 3116 lbs vs 3781 lbs for the M3 and 4024 lbs for the M5.

Also very true. And another small correction: 3781 lbs is for the M3 Convertible. The Coupe weighs ~3450 lbs.


///M-Spec
 
too many numbers in head. weight figures were just taken right off edmunds.com without really thinking. sorry.

as for the 355 lippenzagers in the CSL, i believe it was primarily from airflow changes (bigger intake ports and sufficiently enlarged ITBs,) but also from a remapped ECU with an even higher redline, and slightly reshaped cams. of course i could be pulling this out my arse but i seem to remember those being the jist of the mods.

whats really amazing to me though is the DINAN mods to the M5 motor. better breathing by tuning the individual intake ports, remapped ECU and near act- of- god power levels. sick i tell you.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
If you've ever seen dyno #'s from C5 Corvette's, they usualy make the factory quoted 350 crank hp, at the wheels. Almost every manufacturer that has built a sports car within' the last decade has given false hp numbers. And the Skyline's actual #'s are anywhere from 300-328*awhp from what I've seen. Which still put's it 100hp under the Z06.

%95 of the time I don't open my mouth unless I have proof. Look at any test between the two cars, on any track. The Skyline win's 3 times out of 4. That's a pretty over-powering statistic.

Im just wondering how it can. The vette has better acceleration, and better handling (.99g's to .89 g's, though I think the new vette pulls more g's). If the Skyline can handle so good, and last so long, why hasnt anyone entered it into the Leman's 24 hour? It seems as if it could do well (I havent been able to keep up with alot of the FIA races, so I dont know if there are any in it). I did look at some statisitcs and found that the Vette did better than the R34 3 out of 5 times...
 
Originally posted by neanderthal
as for the 355 lippenzagers in the CSL, i believe it was primarily from airflow changes (bigger intake ports and sufficiently enlarged ITBs,) but also from a remapped ECU with an even higher redline, and slightly reshaped cams. of course i could be pulling this out my arse but i seem to remember those being the jist of the mods.

You're right, there are new cams in the CSL, along with new software to take advantage of them. But the redline has not changed AFAIK.


///M-Spec
 
Well i've been doing quite alot of looking, and the fastest time's i've found for the z06 vette are 7:56, official or unofficial that was the fastest time....Fastest time I found for the skyline was 7:54, however that was unofficial...And the 7:56 was the newer rendition of the z06.

I believe the Skyline run's sub 8 min lap times, if the NSX-R can do 7's, the skyline GTR can, and if the Skyline GTR can, the 400R sure as hell can.
 
the NSX-R probably is a way better track car than the GTR...I mean Gan San may be a race driver, but there is no better driver than a guy with hours and hours of time behind the wheel of that particular car, so if Gan san had maybe 3 weeks to drive the car around before he ran the Nurburgring he probably would have got a better time...not that the time wasn't great anyway
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
Im just wondering how it can. The vette has better acceleration, and better handling (.99g's to .89 g's, though I think the new vette pulls more g's). If the Skyline can handle so good, and last so long, why hasnt anyone entered it into the Leman's 24 hour? It seems as if it could do well (I havent been able to keep up with alot of the FIA races, so I dont know if there are any in it). I did look at some statisitcs and found that the Vette did better than the R34 3 out of 5 times...

The Le Mans 24 hour isn't the "defining" race. Not to mention, I've yet to see a Corvette use it's factory powerplant in such a race as the 24 hours of Le Mans. By factory I mean displacement. Your comparing apples to oranges.

As for statistic's, show me a video where the two car's raced on a roadcourse and the Skyline didn't win. (In stock trim)

You will be looking for a long time.
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
Im just wondering how it can. The vette has better acceleration, and better handling (.99g's to .89 g's, though I think the new vette pulls more g's). If the Skyline can handle so good, and last so long, why hasnt anyone entered it into the Leman's 24 hour? It seems as if it could do well (I havent been able to keep up with alot of the FIA races, so I dont know if there are any in it). I did look at some statisitcs and found that the Vette did better than the R34 3 out of 5 times...

I think we can all agree that vipers are faster than vettes, so why then do cars like the R34 and supra constantly beat the viper in the JGTC? Also as far as I know no corvette has entered in those races....
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
I think we can all agree that vipers are faster than vettes, so why then do cars like the R34 and supra constantly beat the viper in the JGTC? Also as far as I know no corvette has entered in those races....


Because those cars you see in the JGTC have very little in common with the street cars. Those race cars, like the ALMS, FIA GT or Grand Am cars are purpose built, tube frame racecars with just about everything purpose spec'd to make it as competative as possible and still pass race regulations. The wheels and tires aren't stock. The powertrain isn't anywhere near stock. The aerodynamics certainly aren't stock. The suspension components aren't stock --hell, even the pickup points aren't stock. The only parts that are typically factory in a series like that is the engine bottom end --if that.

So saying a JGTC Supra beat ... say a JGTC Diablo doesn't mean you can jump in any Supra and lap Diablos on the track. Trying to equate the success of a race car to the performance of a street car it (sort-of) resembles is a marketer's dream. They would love that. Too bad it isn't true. Racing is entertainment, nothing more.

In addition, the JGTC is a Japanese domestic series. Japanese domestic cars dominate that series for the same reason NASCAR won't let Toyota run a Cup team. You think the Japanese audience wants to see a Corvette win a race?


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by Monster7
I think the Japanese audience would like to see "ancient technology" try and win a race. :D

I haven't seen a Japanese team win at Le Mans lately. The GTS/GT2 class has been dominated by the "ancient technology" of the Viper and Corvette for years now. Why do you think that is?


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by Monster7
If you've ever seen dyno #'s from C5 Corvette's, they usualy make the factory quoted 350 crank hp, at the wheels. Almost every manufacturer that has built a sports car within' the last decade has given false hp numbers. And the Skyline's actual #'s are anywhere from 300-328*awhp from what I've seen. Which still put's it 100hp under the Z06.

Well I wasn't too impressed with the numbers produced by a C5 corvette on the dyno where I have my GTR tuned. This Vette had head work a lot of it, cams, extreme porting, aftermarket ECU, intake and exhaust mods done. It made only a mere 280kw (375hp), where my car with less mods made 260kw (348hp) at the wheels. The fact the C5 weighs more than my car would mean only one thing. I would have much faster acceleration. While the Vette had bloody HUGE wide tyres I would suspect it should hand much better but even so I did notice quite a bit of body roll when pushed. All and all they are nice cars and I have always liked the Vette and have owned a 72 stingray which can't compare to this particular Vette.

As far as comparing the R34 Vspec II GTR to a C5 Vette in standard trim, well I've been in that GTR. Stock standard it was quite impressive. This is a comparison I would like to see actually happen in real life here.
 
The JGTC is more of a race based on skill. all the cars are resticted to about the same power. if you win you get penalized with a balast in the next race the most a car has ever won is three times in a row after that there is way too much weight. there are also other restrictions:

Restrictions on Electronically Controlled Devices: Anti-lock brake systems (ABS), traction control, semi-Automatic transmissions, automatic transmissions and motion-activated clutches are prohibited even when the production counterpart came equipped with them. Final drive differential systems, shock absorbers and other suspension components that are self-adjusting and electronically-operated are prohibited. The use of height-adjustable shocks, 4-wheel steering and movable ballast are also prohibited.

:lol: raz, I've seen the dyno chart to your GTR, pretty sweet. What have you spent so far on the GTR?
 
Honestly I have spent not much. Most was already done, but if I had to do it again and pay for the lot.

Exhaust = $2,300 NZD
Pods = $525 NZD
Pod bracket kit = $125 NZD
Front mount = $1,250 NZD
Factory ECU Chipped and tuned + $600 NZD

Power out last dyno as above.
Torque 490 flbs
0-60mph 4.2 sec
1/4mile 12.01 @ 116mph

Enjoyment = Priceless :D
 
Originally posted by Monster7
How many Japanese team's have you seen at Le Mans?

How many Japanese team's do you see in GTS/GT2?

Precisely my point. How can you talk smack about Japanese technical superiority over 'ancient' American cars when the Japanese haven't made even try at an international venue lately? That's basically talking smack, but never stepping onto the court.

Maybe they think they can't be competative :eek:


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by Monster7
How much boost did you run when you pulled the 12.0?

Stock turbo's?

1.15kg or 16.4 psi

Next time down I may make a run at 1.3kgs or 18.5 psi to see what i get. Not sure about pushing the standard ceramic turbos that hard for a long time.
 
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