Skyline trouble

[Pink_the_Floyd]

anyone fans of the skyline? i'm getting the impression that everyone wants one. Don't get me wrong, the racing ones and tuners are great, but a basic skyline isn't that awesome. the handling is a little hard and the... well... it's just not that great. any thoughts?

SKYLINE'S MY ASS!!!!!

 

[Hyde]

Sorry, Hyde. What I meant to say was that GT-R will no longer be an version of Skyline. GT-R is going to be it's own model, even if it shares an chassis/parts other models(Skyline/350Z for example).

Also, when Nissan unveiled the V35 Skyline, they stated that next GT-R will no longer be an Skyline and I was basing my earlier post on that. Maybe Nissan has changed their mind since then, and decided to still call it Skyline? It would be kind of weird though, because the Skylines and the new GT-Rs should look totally different. I apologize, if my info was outdated.

when they first announced the V35 Skyline, ppl were bashing at how different it looked. especially the first 2 models, 250GT and 300GT sucked badly.

so when they showed the GTR concept, they planned to take it away from the Skyline name. it was also the same time when the highest model 350GT is announced, which was the car that led to the success of the V35 series.
at that time, a V35 coupe was not even planned, as the never thought it would perform and sell this good.

but the G35 sold so well in america, that a coupe had to follow. which allow them to actually release a coupe version of the Skyline back in japan as well...

not only the new car is the best regular Skyline ever made, it is also best of its class beating 330i, A4 and C-Class where previous Skyline sedan/coupe could never dream of doing. they were just a car in the JDM as what similar to pontiac grand prix here.


alot have changed past when they first announced the GTR concept. i wouldnt be suprise if u didnt follow the news

 

[Hyde]

regular Skylines are always in the 30k USD mark
while GTR is in the 70k USD range in japan since R32

GTRs were never cheap cars

 

[theRukus]

im buying an R32 GTR this month..

 

[Scaff]

And Muscle handles good actualy. The car that does the worst on the skidpad there is the Mustang GT, pulls .89 or .90 depending who you ask. And that's with solid rear axle.

Are you aware that skidpan figures have no bearing on a cars handling ability, they are almost purely a measure of grip. You will see hugh differences in a cars skidpan figures by simply changing the tyres it is fitted with.

Handling ability is a very subjective issue and will vary from road to road and driver to driver.

Slalom times and speeds are a better figure to use, but for myself laptimes on a demanding circuit (such as the 'ring) are also useful. However they are still very variable due to changes in humidity, temperature, driver, etc.

 

[Akina Racer]

And no Skyline GTS25t (ECR33) .

I was pissed off at that fact too. Why are there 3 R32 gtst's and no R33 or R34 gtst/gt-t's? It's completely stupid. It would be great to drive a gtst other than the R32's in RWD races. Have a look at these two pics. The 96' R33 gts25t series II was in GT1 and maybe GT2. It sucks that they didnt remake it in GT4.

 

[Mercedes SLR]

Same here. They just seem cleaner, meaner, more badass than the R33s & R34s.

I prefef the R33's but I see an R32 everyday and it makes such a great noise, even though its deep, it's certainly loud. I think it's a Nismo or something.

 

[Akina Racer]

I prefef the R33's but I see an R32 everyday and it makes such a great noise, even though its deep, it's certainly loud. I think it's a Nismo or something.

All Skylines R32's, 33's and 34 whether they are GTR's or gtst's make roughly the same exhaust notes. I love the Skyline 3 " catback exhaust note yet WRX's and Supra's have their own mean exhaust notes too.

 

[Moadib]

So the Skyline will have alot f competitors in the form of American muscle.

One problem......sitting behind the wheel of a Ford? No thanks!

Driving enjoyment is about just that - enjoying driving. I'll take a nimble, agile, well-handling racing car anyday over a flabby, heavy-handling muscle car which just happens to have so much power thrown at it that it can't help but be fast...in a straight line.

Anything can be fast in a straight line, it's getting around corners that's not only difficult, but FUN!

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

In my opinion the R33 is far more cooler then the R34

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

One problem......sitting behind the wheel of a Ford? No thanks!

Driving enjoyment is about just that - enjoying driving. I'll take a nimble, agile, well-handling racing car anyday over a flabby, heavy-handling muscle car which just happens to have so much power thrown at it that it can't help but be fast...in a straight line.

Anything can be fast in a straight line, it's getting around corners that's not only difficult, but FUN!

Eh sorry pal but Ford is the best in America.
And their Aussie stuff is kick-ass too!
#1 truck, SUV, muscle car in sales, they only americans to beat ferrari at their own game. And Have you driven an 03 or 04 Cobra? They handle better than most imports that cost $35,000. Who gives a rats arse what the magezines say, go and drive em yourself. And an r34 touching a zo6 or 03 Cobra HAHAHAHA!
Funny stuff! A heavier car, with less hp winning a race? sorry I don't think so.
On the track or the stip. On the strip the skyline might pull away but at about 80 mph the Stang would fly right by. That's just the way the gearing is, a tad slower to 80 but then it launches off. Yeah Skyline has 4wd, but only when the car is slipping does it activate it, so it's not full time like WRX or EVO. And i nthe USA nobody will buy a car for $50,000 that wouldn't even outperform a $30,000 car.
Skylines are nice, but if they wanna charge $50k for it in the USA it better have leather interior, kick-ass stereo, performance to atleast match a vette or Cobra since those two are equal unless you count the new $75,000+ Z06.....
The skyline is going to have alot of comp, I don't care what you wanna say, but American car market is full of great performers at every level. And it's not about aiming the car at Mustangers, it's about the fact that the Skyline will be in the same performance and prolly price range as the new Cobras and Shelbys, aswell as comp from GM, and Chrysler and other imports. And the name alone won't sell a car. Ever hear of the Mustang 2? Granted they sold decently, but those where sad cars and the sales where sad compared to normal stang sales. Who knows Nissan could give us! They might give us a real kick-ass car, or they could give us something that is nothing special, or a total flop! It's too early to tell. But although I am a Ford guy, I have a soft spot for Japanese Muscle. (Supra twin turbo, 3000GT, Skylines, and the Z series) Mostly cuz those are rear wheel drive high powered cars but still..... well cept the skyline and 3000GT. But I do hope the new skyline helps out the stang by keeping the Camaro and GTO sales down. I hate GM, with a passion.
And you want nimble? drive an 05 stang GT, pr the new charger, or the new GTO, they pretty damn nimble buddy. Granted EVO might handle alittle better, but 4wd, smaller car should handle better, throw that extra $3,000 you spent on the EVO and invest in some Eibach springs for that GTO or Stang and you can outhandle a C6!

 

[super supra]

In my opinion the R33 is far more cooler then the R34

Agree 👍 . R34 rear lights looks like " " if you know what i mean. lol
And i whish the car was Rwd instead of 4wd.

 

[Gabkicks]

Eh sorry pal but Ford is the best in America.
And their Aussie stuff is kick-ass too!
#1 truck, SUV, muscle car in sales, they only americans to beat ferrari at their own game. And Have you driven an 03 or 04 Cobra? They handle better than most imports that cost $35,000. Who gives a rats arse what the magezines say, go and drive em yourself. And an r34 touching a zo6 or 03 Cobra HAHAHAHA!
Funny stuff! A heavier car, with less hp winning a race? sorry I don't think so.
On the track or the stip. On the strip the skyline might pull away but at about 80 mph the Stang would fly right by. That's just the way the gearing is, a tad slower to 80 but then it launches off. Yeah Skyline has 4wd, but only when the car is slipping does it activate it, so it's not full time like WRX or EVO. And i nthe USA nobody will buy a car for $50,000 that wouldn't even outperform a $30,000 car.
Skylines are nice, but if they wanna charge $50k for it in the USA it better have leather interior, kick-ass stereo, performance to atleast match a vette or Cobra since those two are equal unless you count the new $75,000+ Z06.....
The skyline is going to have alot of comp, I don't care what you wanna say, but American car market is full of great performers at every level. And it's not about aiming the car at Mustangers, it's about the fact that the Skyline will be in the same performance and prolly price range as the new Cobras and Shelbys, aswell as comp from GM, and Chrysler and other imports. And the name alone won't sell a car. Ever hear of the Mustang 2? Granted they sold decently, but those where sad cars and the sales where sad compared to normal stang sales. Who knows Nissan could give us! They might give us a real kick-ass car, or they could give us something that is nothing special, or a total flop! It's too early to tell. But although I am a Ford guy, I have a soft spot for Japanese Muscle. (Supra twin turbo, 3000GT, Skylines, and the Z series) Mostly cuz those are rear wheel drive high powered cars but still..... well cept the skyline and 3000GT. But I do hope the new skyline helps out the stang by keeping the Camaro and GTO sales down. I hate GM, with a passion.
And you want nimble? drive an 05 stang GT, pr the new charger, or the new GTO, they pretty damn nimble buddy. Granted EVO might handle alittle better, but 4wd, smaller car should handle better, throw that extra $3,000 you spent on the EVO and invest in some Eibach springs for that GTO or Stang and you can outhandle a C6!

U gotta learn to ignore Idiots who think that all american cars cant handle, ignoring the corvettes and GTo's, and many other noted and Successfull cars. Its just ignorance. There are tons of peeps like that in this forum. No respect for American Sports Car history. Even jeremy Clarkson has some at least.

 

[XPLOSV]

I wonder whats the max hp you can get with the GTR in GT4?

In GT3 it was like 1060hp, I wonder if you can get more and dip well into the 8's in 0-400m?

God damn. I should be playing the game instead of writing about it on the internet. DAMN YOU SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Moadib]

Eh sorry pal but Ford is the best in America.

Let's face it, it's not exactly tough competition.... JD Power shows GM, Ford and Chrysler to be at the bottom of the tree on quality. Always Toyota, Honda etc are top. Buying Jaguar, Landrover, Aston Martin etc doesn't make the other cars suddenly good.

#1 truck, SUV, muscle car in sales

High sales don't equate to good cars - look at consumer surveys. Look at the number of Americans buying Japanese cars (high and getting higher) and the number of Japanese buying American cars (none...).

they only americans to beat ferrari at their own game

I remember Jaguar F1 team being liquidated last year because they were so badly beaten. That's not beating Ferrari at their own game. And there's no current Ford that is a better car than the equivalent Ferrari.

Funny stuff! A heavier car, with less hp winning a race? sorry I don't think so. n the track or the stip. On the strip the skyline might pull away but at about 80 mph the Stang would fly right by.

Until the first corner - then it would fly right off.

I am a Ford guy, I have a soft spot for Japanese Muscle.

That's the point. Here in Europe we have "corners" (you might have heard of them). "Muscle" means nothing if a car can't maintain that speed round the corner. You like something different, and if I lived in the US, who knows, I may have a different perspective. But from a driving point of view, and from environmental, muscle is meaningless.

And you want nimble? drive an 05 stang GT, pr the new charger, or the new GTO, they pretty damn nimble buddy.

Let's see them on the track next to a Lancer Evo VIII or equivalent Impreza. Recent "Top Gear" episode here showed a 4WD Lambourghini could not shake off a K$30 Lancer. THAT is nimble. If a Lambo can't outrun it, I don't fancy the chances of a Mustang or Charger

Granted EVO might handle alittle better, but 4wd, smaller car should handle better, throw that extra $3,000 you spent on the EVO and invest in some Eibach springs for that GTO or Stang and you can outhandle a C6!

What's a C6?

It sounds like we like different things, but when talking about laptimes there's no way a heavy, RWD, softly sprung "muscle car" (albeit powerful) will have any chance to stay with a lighter, more agile, active technology car. It may be fun in a power-slidey sort of way, and may look spectacular, but it won't be anything like as fast.

I'd definitely take the Skyline.

 

[Moadib]

U gotta learn to ignore Idiots who think that all american cars cant handle, ignoring the corvettes and GTo's, and many other noted and Successfull cars. Its just ignorance. There are tons of peeps like that in this forum. No respect for American Sports Car history. Even jeremy Clarkson has some at least.

Everyone who doesn't agree with you = idiot?

<shrug>

The art of debate dies a little more

 

[ChristmasGTO]

One problem......sitting behind the wheel of a Ford? No thanks!

Driving enjoyment is about just that - enjoying driving. I'll take a nimble, agile, well-handling racing car anyday over a flabby, heavy-handling muscle car which just happens to have so much power thrown at it that it can't help but be fast...in a straight line.

Anything can be fast in a straight line, it's getting around corners that's not only difficult, but FUN!

Oh, My, God, You, Are, An Idiot.

 

[ChristmasGTO]

What's a C6?


I'd definitely take the Skyline.

Burn in the Deepest Pits of 🤬 you

 

[Hyde]

just go test drive a new Mustang and a new G35 coupe

the mustang might offer more HP for less money, its not even close to what a G35 coupe can offer

 

[EGFerio]

What's a C6?

Is a 2004 Corvette. GT4 has the old one C5.

The new C6 Z06 is a amazing car and is the cheapest high performance car that you can get. 7.0L V8 rear transaxle 500hp 500lb/ft under 3200lb 6piston front & 4 piston rear.

 

[ChristmasGTO]

A 🤬'n Beast, the new corvettes look like they stare deep into the pits of your soul.



Pics
http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6-015.jpg

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6-012.jpg

 

[XPLOSV]

Is a 2004 Corvette. GT4 has the old one C5.

The new C6 Z06 is a amazing car and is the cheapest high performance car that you can get. 7.0L V8 rear transaxle 500hp 500lb/ft under 3200lb 6piston front & 4 piston rear.

Ahhh, the C6 is a 6 liter 400hp v8. And you forgot to mention the leaf sprung live rear end. The same sorta setup that was used in horse drawn carriges. A cheap sports performance car yes, but dont forget the word cheap.

No offence to anyone but the only American cars I liked were the cars of the 60's and 70's when handleing really didnt matter as much as it does today.

Further, the GT-R R34 held the production car record at the nurburgring for quite some time before the porsche GT3 just piped it (with no American car in sight).
The GT-R's AWD system is such that its only AWD when tracktion is lost. This avoids the understeering problem that most AWD cars have but benefits from fast corner exit speeds. This is one of the reasons why the GT-R is deceptively quick. As for the power figure, 280hp is the 'official' figure. In reality, Its more like 360hp.

Lets just focus on straight line speed for half a second. The GT-R does a 12.9 0-400m. Name another American car that does that. There are some but certainly not a C6 or a Mustang. And thats before the corners arive!

The fact of the matter is that most American cars shouldnt be compared to Japanese and this is proven on the track. Never mind people's opinions as to which is better, bring out the lap times and thats when the BS stops.

You cant compare the GT-R to most American sports cars. Cars like the Corvette and the mustang dont belong in the track and werent intended to be a track car (which explains the corvettes rear end). The GT-R was. Most American cars are sports cruises where you can go for nice leasurely drives.

The only exception to this I can think of is the Ford GT (GT40) which is simply an awesome car.....

If money was no object, the only cars worth considering when it comes to performance come from Europe.

Gabkicks: Most of us true car enthusiests (not the Fast and Furious crowd) do have respect for American Muscle history but the cars of the day have only really been AWESOME straight line cars. And quite frankly, not much has changed.

All of the above is written with the exception of including the Ford GT which IMO is the one and only good track based American car.

 

[Moadib]

Is a 2004 Corvette. GT4 has the old one C5.

The new C6 Z06 is a amazing car and is the cheapest high performance car that you can get. 7.0L V8 rear transaxle 500hp 500lb/ft under 3200lb 6piston front & 4 piston rear.

I didn't realise the C5 was replaced. Just had a look and it's quite a nice looking car. The back is really nice, but the front looks really...ordinary?

Still, in the UK that will be nearly 50,000, and for less money an FQ400 would not only roast it, but be a whole lot easier, safer, cheaper and more practical to drive (not to mention less embarrassing!) In America you'd get away with driving the C6, but in the UK it's likely to be laughed at

 

[EGFerio]

Ahhh, the C6 is a 6 liter 400hp v8. And you forgot to mention the leaf sprung live rear end. The same sorta setup that was used in horse drawn carriges. A cheap sports performance car yes, but dont forget the word cheap.

No offence to anyone but the only American cars I liked were the cars of the 60's and 70's when handleing really didnt matter as much as it does today.

Further, the GT-R R34 held the production car record at the nurburgring for quite some time before the porsche GT3 just piped it (with no American car in sight).

The fact of the matter is that most American cars shouldnt be compared to Japanese and this is proven on the track. Never mind people's opinions as to which is better, bring out the lap times and thats when the BS stops.

You cant compare the GT-R to most American sports cars. Cars like the Corvette and the mustang dont belong in the track and werent intended to be a track car (which explains the corvettes rear end). The GT-R was. Most American cars are sports cruises where you can go for nice leasurely drives.

The only exception to this I can think of is the Ford GT (GT40) which is simply an awesome car.....

If money was no object, the only cars worth considering when it comes to performance come from Europe.

Gabkicks: Most of us true car enthusiests (not the Fast and Furious crowd) do have respect for American Muscle history but the cars of the day have only really been AWESOME straight line cars. And quite frankly, not much has changed.

All of the above is written with the exception of including the Ford GT which IMO is the one and only good track based American car.

check it out first here
http://autoshow.msn.com/as/article.aspx?xml=GM2&shw=autoshow2005&src=AutoShow2005mm

 

[Moadib]

Burn in the Deepest Pits of 🤬 you

Steady - it's a friendly chat about what cars people prefer, not a fight. Chill

 

[XPLOSV]

check it out first here
http://autoshow.msn.com/as/article.aspx?xml=GM2&shw=autoshow2005&src=AutoShow2005mm

My bad, I didnt know such a think existed. Its still amusing that they dont mentionn suspension.....

 

[super supra]

Isnt the C6 rear bumper made by plastic , in "top gear" they pushed the rear bump with the hand and it act like plast.

I dont know if more parts are made of it.

Anyway its a nice looking car.

 

[XPLOSV]

Ok, In the above post I made, it sounded like I'm anti-American-cars but I'm not.

I like the looks of the new Vet (not so the mustang though) and the Ford GT I'd buy over an F360 but when people start using their emotions and saying Corvettes are superior to GT-Rs on the race track is where its just wrong. Thats where the ignorence lies. If your gonna make statements like that, bring out lap times (which you wont be able to).

At the end of the day, they cant really be compared as Vets and the like arnt track specific cars. A GT-R is not a car that you can go cruising along a great strech of road. Its a car that should be punted hard along that strech of road.

Just my Opinion.

 

[ChristmasGTO]

I remember hearing something about that cadillac


http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/cadillac_ctsv_race.asp

thats another neat one.


Sorry Moadib Stomache Hurts real bad, Bad shells and Cheese >< more likely to snap at people. sorry though

Me = 👎


~edit
My Opinion Would be a 2005 GTO if I was going to punt something down a long Road

 

[Jay]

I agree with XPLOSV, the new Ford GT is awsome, the C6 Z06 is damn impressive, the 05 Mustang is nice and the 05 GTO is great too but I would call it nimble, I know the handing caracteristics of the GTO as weve had the monaro for 5 years (got to love the LS2).
I love american cars, I love cars from everywhere (I even own a Aussie muscle car with a american 350 chev engine), but I dont understand why people that isnt open minded come in here and say remarks like "No Skyline will come close to the performance of a 03 Mustang Cobra". Most stock Skylines dont have the brute power of say a 03 Cobra (but some do) but they make good use of the power thay have for example 12.9 1/4 mile stock! And who ever thinks the R34 GTR has only 280hp stock has been fooled, Its like the 60's & 70's where they under quoted the muscle cars.