Skyline trouble

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My argument will probably always be based on the fact of you can do whatever you want to a car providing you have the money, If you want to change how it handles, you can do it, if you want to add a supercharger / nos / turbo charger go for it


Its all personal preferance, Im GM (my dad works for them so I've grown up around them)

so it bugs me when someone says "yeah the skyline is the almighty car sent from god himself to rule over every other car because they are all inferrior and bow the awsomeness of Skylines"
 
ChristmasGTO
so it bugs me when someone says "yeah the skyline is the almighty car sent from god himself to rule over every other car because they are all inferrior and bow the awsomeness of Skylines"
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Who said that in this thread or similar?
 
ChristmasGTO
My argument will probably always be based on the fact of you can do whatever you want to a car providing you have the money, If you want to change how it handles, you can do it, if you want to add a supercharger / nos / turbo charger go for it
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Dude, when it comes to modifiying cars, there really isnt many cars that can beat a GT-R (Or an EVO and a few other cars from japan). I've helped in the tuning of a GT-R which, with just a turbo back exhaust and a Power FC (computer) and air filters, it was able to make 273kw @ wheels which was enough to get it to 12.1 0-400m. And thats all from just over 5 grand!

For the money it would cost to turbocharge a vette, you can have a GT-R running in the 10's!

The fact of the matter is when modifing a car, you still have to start from what the manufacturer provided for you and vet's and stangs and the like arnt good platforms.

And I dont recall anyone saying GT-R's are the be all and end all of automotive things.

I think you need to get over this obsession you have with cars from GM as its blinding you from seeing better cars........
 
"Dude, when it comes to modifiying cars, there really isnt many cars that can beat a GT-R (Or an EVO and a few other cars from japan)."


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Oh yeah, btw, as of your nice little remark on the GM Obsession thing, I'd rather revolve my car life around a Camaro, Firebird, Trans Am, or a GTO then a single Skyline Weither it be a single year or otherwise.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Most stock Skylines dont have the brute power of say a 03 Cobra (but some do) but they make good use of the power thay have for example 12.9 1/4 mile stock!
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There again the "1/4 mile" is talking about straight line times, whereas a laptime (corners and straights) is a more balanced measure of a car's pace. The Skyline may not have the brute power, but the way they use the torque split between front and rear to avoid the usual understeer makes them a a dream on turn-in and mid corner relative to most 4WD cars.

Carrying 10mph+ more through the apex of every corner and out onto the following straights adds up to a hell of a lot of time saved over a lap - you don't need the brute power to get the speed back up because you never lost it. Add to that better traction from the 4WD and it's clear why the Skyline was such a dominant racecar.

Don't get me wrong - a sunny afternoon on 101 and I'd take a lazy cruising sportscar like the C6 any day. It's well fast on the straights and fun enough in the turns. But if my life depended on turning in a lap time, I'd be picking up the keys of something else.
 
ChristmasGTO

See, I'm confused as to which angle your arguing. One minute your saying American cars a faster, the next your saying they are just better...

I'm arguing (with evidence) that GT-R's are infact MUCh faster around a track. Wheather American cars are 'just better' is a personal opinion. Yours is you like GM which is fine and what I'm cool with.

But when you say that they are faster, that my friend, is incorrect.

Thats all.....
 
Really your funny sir, we're faster in differant area's even you all yourselves said we're the fastest "in A single line" while your Awome JP cars are better for courses.

Thats all.....
 
What can I say...?
I respect Skylines for what they are: technologically advanced touring cars...
They have great conservative styling, especially in the front (the R-34's rear bulbs are kinda ugly imo). It's definitely based on the Japanese market, with direct competition from the Supra, and tto a lesser extent, the 3000GT and RX-7? 8?

Regarding Gran Turismo, at least in the first two GTs I don't like the Skyline much, well not the R-33s and R-34s. The older ones are more old-school and appeal to me, especially in 4WD. The reason is that, imo, Skylines are almost, "cheap" to use. This is especially sp in two-player games, and less so in GT500 spec races against AI. Everywhere else in the compatable powerange, though, the Skylines can easily get out on top, even against more powerful opposition. If in Gt3 and Gt4 the Skylines act FR when not slipping, this is a plus, because I don't believe this was implemented in GT2.

It's possible to compare the Mustang and the C6 Vette to the Skyline, but one must realize that the first two are modern muscle cars, displacement and power oriented, while the latter uses technology to distribute its smaller powerband.

Personally I would never prefer a Mustang to a Skyline.
 
Moadib
There again the "1/4 mile" is talking about straight line times, whereas a laptime (corners and straights) is a more balanced measure of a car's pace. The Skyline may not have the brute power, but the way they use the torque split between front and rear to avoid the usual understeer makes them a a dream on turn-in and mid corner relative to most 4WD cars.
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I only mentioned 1/4 mile because thats where muscle cars shine, if you want track numbers just look at Nurburgring laps times for example, or in best motoring where a stock R34 GTR & Evo VIII was hard on the tail of a Porsche turbo while the Z06 corvette (C5) was left way behind.
 
ChristmasGTO
Really your funny sir, we're faster in differant area's even you all yourselves said we're the fastest "in A single line" while your Awome JP cars are better for courses.

Thats all.....
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Again, your speculating. I'd lke you yourself to bring out the figures of 'your' cars (your turning this into a USA vs Japan) 0-400m.

GT-R 12.9
EVO 7 mid 13's
WRX STi mid 13's again
Supra Low 13's
NSX High 12's

Now lets hear your 'vette' figures.
How about your stang?

As for lap times (which is what really counts), as VIPERGTSR01 said, dont even bother to reply.

If drag racing is your thing, then fine. But you can have so much more fun in the twisties IMO.
I'm not sure what happens in America, but in the rest of the world, they all produce cars to take corners well aswell.
 
Chevy-Irocz_89'
Well, im my own experiences ive always have always found 4wd cars a bit different to drive, thats y i usally get a vcd and put it at least to a 40/60 split.
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Well the GTR drives in RWD mode intill you start to lose traction then it electronically controlled splits torque to the front wheels up to 40% I think.
 
XPLOSV
Again, your speculating. I'd lke you yourself to bring out the figures of 'your' cars (your turning this into a USA vs Japan) 0-400m.

GT-R 12.9
EVO 7 mid 13's
WRX STi mid 13's again
Supra Low 13's
NSX High 12's

Now lets hear your 'vette' figures.
How about your stang?

As for lap times (which is what really counts), as VIPERGTSR01 said, dont even bother to reply.

If drag racing is your thing, then fine. But you can have so much more fun in the twisties IMO.

Each to their own though.
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ummm, thats kinda gerneral statement first off. Yes, things like the viper and some of the older muscle can fall into that class but the camaro ss, the vette z06, the c5 vette, the ford gt, corvette c5r, the camaro race car, the saleen s7 amoung others are all american, from all price ranges with good speeds in a line and some great twisty numbers
 
VIPERGTSR01
Well the GTR drives in RWD mode intill you start to lose traction then it electronically controlled splits torque to the front wheels up to 40% I think.
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really? sry, i never looked into them, i only ended up usin the r32, put it at 10/90 and it drove like a ****in dream
 
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/04chevroletz06.html


"These refinements are a result of extensive testing and development, including several high-speed test sessions at Germany's famed Nurburgring circuit. Corvette Z06 is one of only a precious few cars to have broken the 8-minute barrier for lap times at Nurburgring. Corvette testing at Nurburgring isn't just about raw speed, as the Z06 provides plenty of that. Engineers gathered important learning on tuning the chassis to enhance the poise, confidence and smoothness of response, attributes that are of great importance under the severe demands of a 14-mile course that has approximately 170 turns and virtually constant elevation changes.

"Nurburgring, at the extreme edge of the envelope, provides conditions that can't be easily duplicated anywhere else," says Hill. "But, even for the Z06, we spend considerable time ensuring we don't make adjustments that compromise the normal daily driving character of the car."


Sooo somewhere under 8 minutes it says
 
XPLOSV
I'm not sure what happens in America, but in the rest of the world, they all produce cars to take corners well aswell.
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im from america, los angeles to be exact. i like cars that handle corners. and last, instead of busting parts every 2 years. yay V35 and other imports :dunce:

i like the corvette and other gms but ford is... umm yeah.
only ford id get would be a 32 rat rod with a ls2
 
ChristmasGTO
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/04chevroletz06.html


"These refinements are a result of extensive testing and development, including several high-speed test sessions at Germany's famed Nurburgring circuit. Corvette Z06 is one of only a precious few cars to have broken the 8-minute barrier for lap times at Nurburgring. Corvette testing at Nurburgring isn't just about raw speed, as the Z06 provides plenty of that. Engineers gathered important learning on tuning the chassis to enhance the poise, confidence and smoothness of response, attributes that are of great importance under the severe demands of a 14-mile course that has approximately 170 turns and virtually constant elevation changes.

"Nurburgring, at the extreme edge of the envelope, provides conditions that can't be easily duplicated anywhere else," says Hill. "But, even for the Z06, we spend considerable time ensuring we don't make adjustments that compromise the normal daily driving character of the car."


Sooo somewhere under 8 minutes it says
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The GT-R did the ring (long version) in 7 min 59 seconds (Time verified by AUTOCAR magazine UK). And that was in 95 with the R33 model. Thats 10 years ago. So finally the Yanks have reached that mark and it took them 10 years!

No ones giving the Vettes crap about the twisties. Its just that people are displaying their ignorence when they say that Vette's are faster than GT-R's in the twisties. CLEARLY they are not. Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
XPLOSV
The GT-R did the ring (long version) in 7 min 59 seconds (Time verified by AUTOCAR magazine UK). And that was in 95 with the R33 model. Thats 10 years ago. So finally the Yanks have reached that mark and it took them 10 years!

No ones giving the Vettes crap about the twisties. Its just that people are displaying their ignorence when they say that Vette's are faster than GT-R's in the twisties. CLEARLY they are not. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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umm, well im not so sure about it not being faster then the gt-r, it couple very well be but we DONT know lol. I do admit that the skyline is one of my more fav awd but id still take a vette over it any day
 
Chevy-Irocz_89'
umm, well im not so sure about it not being faster then the gt-r, it couple very well be but we DONT know lol. I do admit that the skyline is one of my more fav awd but id still take a vette over it any day
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The Subaru Spec C does it in 8:06 (and costs a whole lot less than the vette)
In 1989, Yes 1989 , the GT-R did it in 8:12 (R32 model)
The NSX Type R does it in 7:56! And its a 3.2ltr V6!!!!!

No one is disputing the Vette is a great car. But it seems one person is disputing the fact that noew japanese supercars are faster than the vette.

The corvette C6's time was a 7:58. Quite decent but does it with a 6litr V8. Twice the capacity of the NSX which is faster. This again comes to the fact that the Vette has little finesse and chassie engineering.

If you listened in on the Top Gear review of the Vette, you wouldnt be here arguing about it.

Anyway, If thats not enough evidence, then I dont know what is.
I've had enough of this argument, if you still think American cars are engineering marvels, then just go ahead and keep thinking it.
 
XPLOSV
The Subaru Spec C does it in 8:06 (and costs a whole lot less than the vette)
In 1989, Yes 1989 , the GT-R did it in 8:12 (R32 model)
The NSX Type R does it in 7:56! And its a 3.2ltr V6!!!!!

No one is disputing the Vette is a great car. But it seems one person is disputing the fact that noew japanese supercars are faster than the vette.

The corvette C6's time was a 7:58. Quite decent but does it with a 6litr V8. Twice the capacity of the NSX which is faster. This again comes to the fact that the Vette has little finesse and chassie engineering.

If you listened in on the Top Gear review of the Vette, you wouldnt be here arguing about it.

Anyway, If thats not enough evidence, then I dont know what is.
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ummm about thattop gear thing..... i really did see that but i seriously dont give a **** about what they have to say lol
if it feels anywere near the way the c5 did, im happy with that and that is simple

btw, the nsx is a 96000 dollars new andit doesnt get crap for speed on the strait. I do admit it gets good number outta its engine but its power to wieght ratio is horrendous
 
Here is something to think about.

I have a 03 GTi turbo, about 180 WHP and my friend has a 1978 rabbit with about 80hp to the crank. When we go into the twisty I can’t catch him. We are both good drivers, me wining a go kart championship and my friend being a avid race enthuses. His car is about 900 lbs lighter than my car, he as fully adjustable coil over Suspension and toyo T1S tires. My car as toyo FZ4, H&R 400 lbs springs and Bilstein sport shocks with no front sway bar and a sway bar in back and his car is faster in the twisters that mine.
 
Chevy-Irocz_89'
btw, the nsx is a 96000 dollars new andit doesnt get crap for speed on the strait. I do admit it gets good number outta its engine but its power to wieght ratio is horrendous
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and it still manages a 7'56, wow!
 
Moadib
I didn't realise the C5 was replaced. Just had a look and it's quite a nice looking car. The back is really nice, but the front looks really...ordinary?

Still, in the UK that will be nearly 50,000, and for less money an FQ400 would not only roast it, but be a whole lot easier, safer, cheaper and more practical to drive (not to mention less embarrassing!) In America you'd get away with driving the C6, but in the UK it's likely to be laughed at :)
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I havent compared the stats.. but is the C6 really less economical and practical than the FQ400?!?!? i mean.. that thing gets 4MPG last time i checked... :indiff: I dont know the complete stats, so i wont go claiming that The C6 is the more practical car...
 

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