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No, I'm not talkin bout people that take alot of naps. I'm talking about cars that look stock, but under the hood is a whole different story. Kinda the opposite of a Rice car, IMO.

But anyway me and my best friend are building up his Regal Limited, thats right a Buick, to be a sleeper, And I was just wondering what everyones thoughts on sleepers were.

If anyone was wondering what we are doing to the Regal, we are putting droping in a 383 Chevy SB/TH400/Ford 9" with a Coilover 4-Link/Dot Drag Radials. I think it will be a sweet sleeper. What You think?
 
Originally posted by slimer90210
No, I'm not talkin bout people that take alot of naps. I'm talking about cars that look stock, but under the hood is a whole different story. Kinda the opposite of a Rice car, IMO.

But anyway me and my best friend are building up his Regal Limited, thats right a Buick, to be a sleeper, And I was just wondering what everyones thoughts on sleepers were.

If anyone was wondering what we are doing to the Regal, we are putting droping in a 383 Chevy SB/TH400/Ford 9" with a Coilover 4-Link/Dot Drag Radials. I think it will be a sweet sleeper. What You think?
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Some Regals are not sleepers like those T-Types, Grand Nationals, and the Rare GNXs. I like to build a BMW E30 3 Series (1984 to 1991) with a V8 from a 540i/740i and make the car look stock.

Kristof
 
I plan on doing that with my Impreza. It won't be as fast as the cars you guys are talking about, but hopefully the go factor will be higher than the show. When I got the car from the dealership it had black wheels but the stock silver center cap :yuck: but I plan on keeping the current wheels and coloring the center cap to match the rest. The trunk was also different. No badging or the stock wing. I'll eventually get these all back and hopefully just have a nice, clean little Subaru.

There was a Sport Compact Car a month or so ago that had a completely stock looking MKIV Supra that was supposedly pushing 700hp. Along with a Hyundai Excel with a 4G63 motor in it. :D GO HYUNDAI!
 
Thanx Monster

Originally posted by frestkd
Some Regals are not sleepers like those T-Types, Grand Nationals, and the Rare GNXs. I like to build a BMW E30 3 Series (1984 to 1991) with a V8 from a 540i/740i and make the car look stock.

Kristof
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I know not all Regal are sleepers but we are talking about a Regal Limited, you know the high luxury, low power Regal... And although they share body with Regals the Grand National is not technically a Regal, it is it's own modle. I do like your idea of a 5 or 7 series engine swaped into a 3 Series. Dropping an engine from a "full-sized" car into a "mid-sized" car is how the Pontiac GTO was born....
 
Top Sleepers IMO
In order of sleeperness(<word?)

1. 1989 Dodge Colt with a 4G63(Evo) engine(easy 13's)
2. 1991-94 Nissan Sentra SE-R(Easy 14's with mild bolt-ons)
3. 1997 Buick Regal GS(0-60 in 6.6)
4. 1993 Mazda MX-6(0-60 in 7.2)
5. 1989-94 Ford Taurus SHO(0-60 in 6.6)
6. 2000+ Jeep Grand Cherokee V8(very quick!)
7. 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE(0-60 in 5.9!)
8. 1986 Buick Grand National T-type(1/4 mi. in 13.9!)
9. 1989 CRX Si(especially with a B18C5)
10. Audi S4(yes, a lot of people don't know about it!)
 
Originally posted by Fugiot

3. 1997 Buick Regal GS(0-60 in 6.6)
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The correct 0-60 time is probably 6.8-7.0 seconds, though I do agree on sleeper status. I'd look seriously at of those if I was in the market.

5. 1989-94 Ford Taurus SHO(0-60 in 6.6)
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1995 was actually the last year for those, but 0-60 is right on even when they moved to an automatic transmission in 1993 - too bad it got cancelled. :(

6. 2000+ Jeep Grand Cherokee V8(very quick!)
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Jeep sells two different V8s for the current Grand Cherokee, which actually began in 1999. The first, a 235bhp 4.7, does 0-60 in about 7.5; the second, with 30bhp more, does it in about 7.1. The engine alone is definitely not worth that price, though.

7. 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE(0-60 in 5.9!)
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Generous - with an auto it's around 6.8-7.0 seconds, and even with a manual it's just 6.3-6.5. I've never seen 5.9 printed anywhere, though I would bet it's from the same people who claimed the WRX could do 0-60 in 5.6.

10. Audi S4(yes, a lot of people don't know about it!)
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:odd: Like who?
 
I think I have a different idea of sleeper in my head than the rest of you. I do think that those cars listed could be sleepers, but I don't think that it has to be something that no one would expect. I just think of it as a normal looking car with some beef behind it. Am I just stupid?:banghead:
 
Generous - with an auto it's around 6.8-7.0 seconds, and even with a manual it's just 6.3-6.5. I've never seen 5.9 printed anywhere, though I would bet it's from the same people who claimed the WRX could do 0-60 in 5.6.[/B]
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Take a look at Car and Driver's...website maybe? I dunno, but the Altima 3.5 SE(6MT) was on the cover a while ago. It was like 5.996 but it was still breaking the 6.0 barrier. As for the WRX I've actually seen 5.4 for that car, but I'm pretty sure it's about 5.8 or so. And as for the Buick Regal GS, I was just going by this link...

http://www.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html

I don't really know much about them, but I knew that they were quick.
 
As soon as I get some money, I plan on buying two 300zx's, one im gonna mod to my liking, and the other im gonna make it a sleeper,
the vg30dett from what i understand is a very potent engine, it makes the same baseline hp as the sklyine gtr, thats what i read somewhere
 
ive also heard it has its problems (VG30DETT), one namely is heat builtup causing serious engine probs
 
Some sleepers I have known and loved:

1971 Olds Cutlass 4-door, in a sunfaded metallic brown with an ex-vinyl-top, one green fender, and visible body rust. Brown vinyl interior with natty duct tape accents. Plain steel wheels on the front and a pair of rusty Pontiac Rallyes on the back, with "Wide-O-Val" white letter tires. Under the hood was a built 455 with a Holley 750cfm double-pumper, headers, and a race-built Turbo400 automatic trans. You could eat dinner off of the engine compartment. Big, lumpy cams made it idle like crap, but touch the gas and it sang the V-8 song. The owner would squirt oil up the exhaust pipes and sit at stop lights with the thing shaking and smoking, and devastate anything that he could get to run him.

1967 Chevrolet Corvair coupe, a very pretty, small rear engined car. This one had a stock-looking one-piece rear quarters/deck that couldn't be spotted from more than a carlength away. Underneath the skin was a 455 Oldsmobile drivetrain out of a 1968 Toronado, which was a huge American FWD luxury car, so it had the tranverse transmission already. I rode shotgun in this car once, and it was scary fast. Definitely a sleeper unless you noticed the width of the back tires and the subtle fender flares.

1984 Dodge Omni GLH. Faded two-tone silver/black paint, ugly red velour interior, and homely to begin with. Also capable of high-11 second quarter miles, though the owner usually shut it down because if you dip below 12 seconds they make you install a roll cage. I watched a Z06 Corvette with Temporary tags on it break a halfshaft trying to get the hole shot on this little Omni, because the Omni had absolutely shamed him on the previous pass.

1986 Dodge Caravan, tweaked 2.2 turbo. Like the Omni it could push into 12-second territory and still haul sheets of plywood in back during the week. Think about the horsepower needed to push a brick like that to those speeds.
 
The only true "sleeper" I have known was my dad's 1970 Ford Country Squire Wagon
Full faux wood panel sides. Roof rack, trailer hitch, single exhaust, and power everything. It looked like mom's average grocery getter. But the 429 SCJ would pull that beast over 100mph in second gear!!
 
Or, a 20B hatchi roku....Or a 13B Datsun 510
or a 13B Starlet, or any SC300, or any supra, A 90's impala SS, 1st Gen Eclipses, Galant VR4's (The TT Model, not the 4g63 model)
and countless others.
 
My Top 4 Sleeper List:
1.78'-79 Malibu/Mailbu Station Wagons{went to the 2003 super chevy show and seen a Mailbu station wagon with a 383 motor dropped in it,the guy still had room to keep the A/C Unit}
2.80's 9c1 Caprices
3.Dodge Daytona{was reading somewere about a guy converting a daytona to RWD}
4.Monte Carlo LS Models{guy driving on around here with a 350 dropped in it with straight pipes out the back}
 
Just bought a car to make my very own sleeper... I bought me a 1983 Caprice Estate Wagon!!!! Thats right 2 tons of ex-grochery getter that will soon be getting some high power goodies.... I do think I will leave the paint, even if it is poopy brown.....
 
Originally posted by knightinwhite86
As soon as I get some money, I plan on buying two 300zx's, one im gonna mod to my liking, and the other im gonna make it a sleeper,
the vg30dett from what i understand is a very potent engine, it makes the same baseline hp as the sklyine gtr, thats what i read somewhere
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You will have some problems if you don't reposition the turbos. In stock form, they're under the engine....which is bad. But what most people don't know is that because the internals are just as strong as the Skyline's RB26 BUT since the displacement's a good bit higher, the VG30DETT is actually Nissan's most capable engine ever made. The problem is that the VG30DETT is in the 300ZX which has very serious traction problems at over 400hp which is why everybody thinks that the GT-R is capable of more power. It's very difficult to get a 300ZX to run 11's or lower. I've seen dyno charts from a 2200hp VG30DETT(stock internals) but the engine wasn't even in a car. Nissan Forever!
 
Originally posted by slimer90210
Just bought a car to make my very own sleeper... I bought me a 1983 Caprice Estate Wagon!!!! Thats right 2 tons of ex-grochery getter that will soon be getting some high power goodies.... I do think I will leave the paint, even if it is poopy brown.....
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how much it cost you and what is the overall shape it's in?
 
Originally posted by Fugiot
Take a look at Car and Driver's...website maybe?
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Car & Driver and Road & Track are notorious for giving generous times.

I dunno, but the Altima 3.5 SE(6MT)
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That transmission does not exist with that engine in the Altima. I had an Altima V6 a while back, and, while quick, it wasn't high-5.9 to 60mph quick.

I don't really know much about them, but I knew that they were quick.
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Cheap too - just $28700 with a huge standard features list (leather, dual-zone climate control, OnStar, tire-pressure monitor, ABS, steering wheel with radio controls, keyless entry, CD player, fog lights, alarm). Sadly, nobody's interested.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
That transmission does not exist with that engine in the Altima. I had an Altima V6 a while back, and, while quick, it wasn't high-5.9 to 60mph quick.[/B]
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Right, my bad, 5-speed MT. But still, that car is hella quick if it's anywhere in that 5.9-6.3 range. Mega family-car sleeper.
 
Originally posted by Fugiot
Right, my bad, 5-speed MT. But still, that car is hella quick if it's anywhere in that 5.9-6.3 range. Mega family-car sleeper.
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Not really - excess power is a huge trend now in the family sedan game. The Altima (245bhp) can do it in 6.3-6.5, but the Accord V6 (240bhp) does it in about 7.2, the Camry V6 (225bhp) does it in about 8.2, the new Impala SS (240bhp) hits 60 in 6.6-6.8 and don't be surprised if the new Galant V6 (240?bhp) comes in at about 6.8 also.
 
I read that the new Impala SS is more like 7.0-7.2 because it weighs as much a bus. So still, the Altima is one of the quickest. But yeah, really, what's with the dragster family cars? They're gonna make sports cars obsolete!
 
Originally posted by Fugiot
I read that the new Impala SS is more like 7.0-7.2 because it weighs as much a bus. So still, the Altima is one of the quickest. But yeah, really, what's with the dragster family cars? They're gonna make sports cars obsolete!
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I'm not sure - Nissan started the trend with their 2002 Altima V6, which had an unprecidented 240bhp. Toyota, not realising the obvious trend, redesigned the Camry and gave it a whopping 192bhp (they upped it to 225bhp along with several other cars for 2003).

Honda, Mazda, and Chevrolet all sensed the trend immediately and gave their family sedans very powerful V6s. To Buick's credit, they've had a powerful V6 family sedan since 1997, though nobody cared about the Regal GS then like nobody cares about it now.
 
I spotted two Audi S4s last Saturday.

One had little wings glued to it and an RS4 badge, but was clearly a 1.8 and went like a Galapagos Tortoise.

The other was nothing to look at and had been debadged. The four exhausts were somewhat of a giveaway though...


People with no power want to get attention with everything else - these are what people refer to as "Ricers" although I prefer "Barry Boys". People with buckets of power don't feel the need to advertise it - and these are the "Sleepers" - a debadged RS4 is a scary, scary car in a plain wrapper...
 
I want to make a sleeper out of a Ford Fairmont Wagon, but I want to really make it scoot. stock, competely stock looking outside, right down to the fake plastic wood trim, and to installing the second exhaust pipe closer to the body and painting it black so it wont be noticeable. underhood, the 5.0 engine with aluminum GT40 heads, roller rockers, stroker crank to 332 CI, full headers connected to a custom system with a seconday tube opened from the cabin with a little butterfly in it so it wont sound as scary, an Edelbrock EFI setup and a centrifugal supercharger atop it, with an intercooler if its possible. 500 hp easily, of course over a 9 inch posi'ed differential, urned by a borg warner 6 speed trans. yeah. it will cost me way too much money and time, but that is the plan. its like the car of my dreams.

Cano
 
Originally posted by Fugiot
Yeah, that's really too bad cause I'd have to say that Buick is prolly one of the best domestic brands
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I'd agree, but excepting the Regal GS, all of their cars suck.
 

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