Slightly Irritated With Gran Turismo 7 and Its Current State.

[HPIxProdigy]

I Don't know if I'm the only one feeling this way, but GT7 is continuously getting more dissapointing. This game has had almost a decade to be developed and yet I am sitting here coming up on a year after release and There's so much missing still. We are missing cars that they already have good models for (07 Mitsubishi Evo IX, 04 Subaru WRX STI, Lexus LFA, Aston Martin DB9, etc.) and to add salt to the wound, tghey just keep updating us with 2-3 cars that should have been in the game since day 1. Does anyone remember the custom in car gauges from GT6? where'd they go? Tacky? sure, But cool? absolutely. What about the custom track creator? where did that go? What about the extreme lack of single player events? I'm surely not the only one who can remember countless hours of single player races to keep you busy. I'm not here expecting 1300+ cars and every track known to man, But this game has fallen very very short for 7 years of potential developement time. This game feels more like something they threw together in maybe, just maybe, a maximum of 2 years. I just don't think there's any excuse for how lack luster this game is at the moment. It's not The quality I expect and know from a Gran Turismo Title.

What's everyone's thoughts?

 

[FPV MIC]

To me the game is well developed, but there's certain aspects that are under utilized (career and Sport Mode) and others that still need bug fixes (online). Edit: There's also parts that need a major overhaul like the credit payouts and others that need to be gone altogether... you all know what they are.

Generally speaking though, with the (almost) full implementation VR update and all it's other perks, it's meeting my expectations.

 

[Galvston]

come on, some cars like the lancer are probably coming. the LFA too. The 04 Spec C Sti too, all this by the database and some hope

 

[HPIxProdigy]

come on, some cars like the lancer are probably coming. the LFA too. The 04 Spec C Sti too, all this by the database and some hope

They may be “coming” but you don’t feel like it’s a really shady attempt at providing “DLC”. It just feels like after all this development time they’ve had these are vehicles we should’ve had right from day 1. They have all the models already done they’re just not implemented and then they have the nerve to call it DLC

To me the game is well developed, but there's certain aspects that are under utilized (career and Sport Mode) and others that still need bug fixes (online). Edit: There's also parts that need a major overhaul like the credit payouts and others that need to be gone altogether... you all know what they are.

Generally speaking though, with the (almost) full implementation VR update and all its other perks, it's meeting my expectations.

Interesting, you don’t feel like it fell short for the amount of time they’ve had?

 

[HGHTCH]

I'm really hoping they release an overhaul sometime this year kinda like what they did with sport. My main criticism other than lack of cars that you would expect is the singleplayer races and modes. There is nothing I can say about the cafe that has not already been said but it was underwhelming at best and trashy at worst.
these trickle updates have gotten tiresome and I'm sure 60%+ of the launch players are already gone. It feels like GT8 is already the focus.
That being said this update, especially Sophy has me excited.

 

[HPIxProdigy]

I'm really hoping they release an overhaul sometime this year kinda like what they did with sport. My main criticism other than lack of cars that you would expect is the singleplayer races and modes. There is nothing I can say about the cafe that has not already been said but it was underwhelming at best and trashy at worst.
these trickle updates have gotten tiresome and I'm sure 60%+ of the launch players are already gone. It feels like GT8 is already the focus.
That being said this update, especially Sophy has me excited.

Definately, havn't touched the game in a couple months because I just can't bother to set it up and plug everything back in from my PC. I just can't find a reason to play it with such a lack of content and repetitive events. I sure hope they do better soon.

 

[FPV MIC]

Interesting, you don’t feel like it fell short for the amount of time they’ve had?

Nope. If they hadn't implemented PSVR2 in the way they have my answer may be different though. It will be like a whole new game.


New tracks are far more important to me than new cars because the cars I care about aren't likely to be included anyway, and the ones others like I don't necessarily care about so I just make do with what we've got. There's plenty of interesting ones in the car roster as is and I can only drive one at a time after all ... and I have all of them.

Edit: It did help immensely that I did a couple of the, let's say 'easy money routes' () earlier on in the piece so I haven't had to grind at all and can just jump into any race regardless of what the payout is to have a bit of fun.

 

[Push_Pull]

Stopped playing a few months ago, not much at this point that would bring me back.

 

[SSQES]

@HPIxProdigy
GT7 is a really great game. It is fun, stunning... But the main problem is definitly the carrer mode, we are seriously lacking of events.
Just add like the half of the GT4 one or like 75% of the GT6 carrer and this would be the best GT game ever.
This is quite easy for them to add, and it becoming very frustrating to wait for these event... Endurances races can't come soon enough

 

[DextroCat]

I’ve had the game for about a month now and the roulette system is downright terrible and everything locked behind said roulette is equally terrible. I’m expecting this game to keep me entertained until FM8 comes out with a developer who wants to make a fun game rather than a developer who aims to somehow keep the auto industry alive by including many of the negative aspects of car ownership/collecting in a freaking video game like oil changes and mileage hurting performance and making many upgrades permanent. Oh and most “Race Cars” can’t be upgraded despite 50+ years of technical progress because the car has “racing brakes” from 1954!

 

[first place]

Do you play using a pad or wheel?

 

[Boxster]

I enjoy the game, with decent physics and excellent visuals. However, there are a number of problems:

• there is no decent career mode
• there are too few events
• the payout for most events is too low, forcing players to grind just 4 races as long as they are collecting the cars

The frustrating thing is that these issues would not be hard to fix, but PD has refused to do so. There are some more failings, such as no endurance races (just the Spa 1 hour currently), no good races at some of the tracks etc, which should be fixed.
But I don't obsess over what I don't have. I like the game basics and enjoy to play it.

 

[debunix]

I Don't know if I'm the only one feeling this way, but GT7 is continuously getting more dissapointing. This game has had almost a decade to be developed and yet I am sitting here coming up on a year after release and There's so much missing still. We are missing cars that they already have good models for (07 Mitsubishi Evo IX, 04 Subaru WRX STI, Lexus LFA, Aston Martin DB9, etc.) and to add salt to the wound, tghey just keep updating us with 2-3 cars that should have been in the game since day 1. Does anyone remember the custom in car gauges from GT6? where'd they go? Tacky? sure, But cool? absolutely. What about the custom track creator? where did that go? What about the extreme lack of single player events? I'm surely not the only one who can remember countless hours of single player races to keep you busy. I'm not here expecting 1300+ cars and every track known to man, But this game has fallen very very short for 7 years of potential developement time. This game feels more like something they threw together in maybe, just maybe, a maximum of 2 years. I just don't think there's any excuse for how lack luster this game is at the moment. It's not The quality I expect and know from a Gran Turismo Title.

What's everyone's thoughts?

I think we are the same kind of dinosaur. Started with GT1 and had all of them through the years. Golded all in GT1 and GT2, loved the endurance races and the solo career stuff. I don't know how many laps I did on the Grand Valley Speedway with my two favourite cars, the Mitsubishi FTO LM and the GTO LM.
It has been great fun to have a qualifying, taking a slower car and put the difficulty to another level with that choice.

My favourite track has always been Trial Mountain, and I will never forget turn 13 where you can get the back of the car perfectly on the straight with a slight tip on the brakes in the sink
And then those different cups and leagues! That's what GT was all about for me!

Today? Ok, some cups, but it seems that they didn't get much attention. For me, Polyphony wanted car porn and the cups and leagues are missing love. Same in GT Sport, when Polyphony row back and put some single player events in it.
Personally, I don't care about online racing. But many people want it and love it. So for me it would be perfect to have a good single player campaign and the option for online races.

And you know what? I put the PS1 emulator on and drove some races in GT1 and GT2. Want to know how I felt about it? It was a really poor experience and felt like driving Out Run
The physics, the graphics, nearly everything good was only in my memory.

Times change and so does GT - Love it or leave it!
I am near the point of leaving, because I hate the lack of a good single player campaign. Why is Polyphony not bringing them back like in GT Sport?
That would be enough for me. I am not in with hardcore sims like iRacing, I only want to have a fun time with a good cup or endurance race when I am done with work.

Seems like we are both undecided about GT7 and want back some of the good old times with new achievements concerning graphics and physics. If there are no approvements in the future, that will be my last GT and my last PS.

 

[SaintEasy]

Hey OP
I definitely understand your frustration and sentiments, and I wanted to give an answer to your poll but I won't right now for just one reason. The poll answers fall into the trap of trying to answer two opinions with one poll answer; whether it met expectations and whether a user felt it was developed. It presumes direct correlation to those two factors which although I imagine there is strong correlation between development appearance and user satisfaction it doesn't always completely match up. As such if I were to give a poll answer in your style it would be: Somewhat underdeveloped, Met Expectations. Which is for reasons that I'm trying to psych myself up to post about on its own forum, but you know how scary it is to put your head above the parapet. For me I'm equally annoyed but also grateful that GT7 has foibles and doesn't exploit the gamification itch as much as it could. (That said the roulette system is pants). But like I said I'm psyching myself up to actually go into detail as to why I feel this way.

I have no idea if it's possible to edit the poll now, but I would suggest (and obviously my suggestion is just my suggestion, take it as you will) to simply choose one of the factors that is most important and give the answers as those i.e. from Far undeveloped to Fully developed or from Does not meet expectations to Exceeds Expectations.

I hope you didn't take this as a dig at you, just wanted to point out that user satisfaction and how developed a game is aren't directly correlated.

 

[BrunusCL82]

There is a truism: GT7 is clearly poorly planned in terms of content.

It is unacceptable for a 2022 game focused on online racing with GT racing cars to have a GT3/GTE from 2018 as the most current.

And the situation is even more evident when Ferrari's most current GT3/GTE car is from 2013, ten year old car.

It is said that PD takes eight months to digitize a new car. I don't know. Just know that after the 458 GT3 '13, Ferrari has already released the 488 GT3, 488 GTE, 488 GT3 Evo, 488 GT Modificata, 488 Challenge and the 293 GT3.

It seems to me that it is easier to produce a new 488 in the real world than it is to digitize a 488 for GT7.

 

[skidmark69]

At the end of the day GT7 is the best racing game on console by a long shot, and I would argue better than any pc titles too, unless you are looking for something very specific that other games do better. Every time I get annoyed at something and look for another racing game this is what I end up realising.

It could have been a lot better than it is, and there are definitely objective flaws in the game, but sometimes a bit of perspective is needed. It says a lot about the foundations of the game when a game leaves you wanting more to the extent that this game does for a lot of people. I also think a lot of the problems have been caused by decisions made by unqualified people dressed in suits, rather than development directly.

Hopefully the future sees us get closer to a 'perfect' game, whether that means gradual improvements to GT7, gt8, or another franchise altogether. But GT7 will keep me entertained until then, and at this point that is acceptable, even if I am disappointed in certain aspects of the game.

 

[John_Marsten]

I have accepted that GT is no longer for me. I enjoyed it while it lasted, and played all of them from 1997 onwards.

They were great fun as a teenager, but the steady decline in their ability to hold me over began with GT5. It barely got me to GT6, and then GT6 was stopped a few months later. I bought Sport really late in its cycle (2019 I think) and dabbled for a little bit.

I stopped playing GT7 after the Glen was added and have only picked it up very sparingly since then. I'll likely enjoy having some fun races with Sophy while they are in the game (why are they being taken away?) and then GT7 will sit back on the shelf.

It is too bare bones for me to enjoy as much as I do with the other racing games/sims out there.

 

[anh165]

Unless people in mass boycott Gran Turismo, then Sony will continue to believe they are doing things correctly.

I do not believe for a second they listen to feedback from the real world end-users, it's all about high level sales numbers and media hyperbole. Plus there are plenty of loyal fans, ghost accounts and bots on social media to combat anyone who voices criticism of the current game or the way how Sony/PD are supporting it.

 

[Remy Zero]

Nothing short of a con game. Barely any content, most races are 5 laps, with the lead car staring almost 30 secs ahead.

i can go weeks without playing GT7. I don't miss it at all when i don't play. Definitely the last GT for me.

 

[HarVee]

The nail in the coffin for me regarding GT7 is its general core design. How can a developer that specializes in racing games make a product that neither has racing nor is a game? Unless you count grinding for hours the same race to make enough money for a car that you hope will appear in the dealership in 2 months from now. I do not consider this to be gameplay, and it is insulting to me as a long time fan that I would have to endure such torture.

The rotational wait period for cars, the lack of events, removed features from GT6 and Sport are all just reasons why this isn't the most complete GT to me. They sold me a golden turd with the GT logo on it and I fell for it. Well, PD and Sony can shove off as I'm not buying GT8. This series has died with 7.

 

[FOG-Smokebeer]

Definitely the most boring gt to date beauty is only skin deep it's like the developer's made the game with their faces pressed right up to the screen but never stood back to take in the big picture.

 

[HPIxProdigy]

Do you play using a pad or wheel?

Wheel, Never can go back to a controller, mostly play pc racing games with my rig especially now since gt isn't filling my needs.

 

[kraftwerkd]

Things Done Well	Things Not Done Well
Tuning, Modifcations & Livery Editor	Career Progression
Circuit selection	Payouts
Car variety	AI Competitiveness

This is how I judge GT7 as it stands. If they had just Done It Right™ from the get-go and went with the classic GT League layout, where you work your way from Beginning, through to Pro up to Expert/Endurance, I think that would have also taken care of the Payouts issue. We could even get creative with the names, like Clubsport League (beginner), Pro/AM League (pro), National League (expert) and WTC League (endurance).

The last major gripe I have is AI Competitiveness, which PD has shown they are absolutely competent at doing. We have the Tsukuba and HSR chili races, the Mission Races, and Tokyo WTC600 as examples of how well PD can program AI. Why they are literal moving pylons in the rest of the game? It boggles the mind.

Therefore I cast my vote for Somewhat Underdeveloped. My expectations of tuning and modifying were met (I wasn't expecting NFS Heat levers of customization), the track list for the most part is pretty satisfying, and the car list is pretty good even with some glaring omissions. The overall gameplay loop however, is not very satisfying.

 

[Mariangello]

Things Done Well	Things Not Done Well
Tuning, Modifcations & Livery Editor	Career Progression
Circuit selection	Payouts
Car variety	AI Competitiveness

This is how I judge GT7 as it stands. If they had just Done It Right™ from the get-go and went with the classic GT League layout, where you work your way from Beginning, through to Pro up to Expert/Endurance, I think that would have also taken care of the Payouts issue. We could even get creative with the names, like Clubsport League (beginner), Pro/AM League (pro), National League (expert) and WTC League (endurance).

The last major gripe I have is AI Competitiveness, which PD has shown they are absolutely competent at doing. We have the Tsukuba and HSR chili races, the Mission Races, and Tokyo WTC600 as examples of how well PD can program AI. Why they are literal moving pylons in the rest of the game? It boggles the mind.

Therefore I cast my vote for Somewhat Underdeveloped. My expectations of tuning and modifying were met (I wasn't expecting NFS Heat levers of customization), the track list for the most part is pretty satisfying, and the car list is pretty good even with some glaring omissions. The overall gameplay loop however, is not very satisfying.

Car variety is also debatable. There is a lot to catch up on.

 

[Carl Sagan]

i stopped playing e few months ago. now psvr2 came and i started playing again.

i think gt7 vr is a game changer in terms of experience. spa and nordschleife feels amazing. especially the elevations.

however, all other things i tried more or less sucked so i gave up on them. most important, multiplayer was not fun and pretty much prevented me interacting with anyone and making new friends.

and the soundtrack. i mean that is so low quality. feels like half of it is done with a casio organ from 90s taverns. i still don't understand why they haven't licensed proper songs. music is an important part of the experience.

 

[kraftwerkd]

Car variety is also debatable. There is a lot to catch up on.

There are some glaring omissions yes, but for the most it hits all the bases. Knowing that nearly every single circuit and track are just carried over from GTS though, I do have to wonder just wtf they were doing in those 8 years.

 

[Lomic]

Things Done Well	Things Not Done Well
Tuning, Modifcations & Livery Editor	Career Progression
Circuit selection	Payouts
Car variety	AI Competitiveness

I am surprised there is no wheel of misfortune in your column "Things Not Done Well". Although I would classify that point in "Evil Things Done On Purpose To Piss Off Players" which would constitute a 3rd column

and the soundtrack. i mean that is so low quality. feels like half of it is done with a casio organ from 90s taverns. i still don't understand why they haven't licensed proper songs. music is an important part of the experience.

I've shut entirely the music in GT7. No more problem with annoying (most of the time) music. I don't mind, the engine and other noises are enough to me.

 

[breeminator]

Knowing that nearly every single circuit and track are just carried over from GTS though, I do have to wonder just wtf they were doing in those 8 years.

Someone else might be able to find the article that talked about it, but I thought I read that GT7 is a completely fresh implementation (which is why there are quite a few new bugs in functionality that was also present in GTS).

There are quite a few new tracks in GT7 vs GTS, too, without looking it up I think it's at least 6 now.

Sophy and PSVR2 are two other things added since GTS, plus of course PS5 support.

 

[05XR8]

I'm not too sure most of it is Sony. The more I look back at was Kaz said from "the apology" and knowing GT7 was developed with VR as its core, I'm beginning to see his vision.

Looking at it like that, I'm thinking, yeah, this guy is getting many of us actually virtually into automobiles.

Dig it, we got the look of real cars handling in replays of Gran Turismo. From Gran Turismo 2-4, I was amazing with the car list and circuits. GT5-6 were upping the graphics for more realism. GT Sport was about branching out to play one another all over the he globe.
GT7, though definitely lacking from past games, is on a whole other level with h VR. Totally different experience from when this game debuted.

 

[Ande3200]

Psvr2 has kicked gt7 alive to another level, it now beats both gt5 and gt6 to me. They have done an amazing Job with vr, and now when its about done, hopefully that means now they can focus and adding more content