SMS: Can We Use Our Wheels & DS4 At The Same Time Please? RESOLVED IN PATCH 2.0PS4

[VBR]

I find it difficult to believe that SMS intended for PS4 wheel users not to be able to navigate menus using the DS4, but strangely this seems to be the case. How would PC users feel if everytime they plugged in their wheels, their keyboard & mouse were deactivated! Yet this is exactly what us PS4 porpers are having to put up with. It's making the PS4 version feel a little thoughtless imo. This is especially frustrating for Gran Turismo players who've always been able to use both wheel & joypad simultaneously.

There are also a lot of things the game simply doesn't allow you to do with the wheel alone. You can't scroll things that require the right analog stick to scroll, like I can't even see some of the lap times the during practice and qualifying because I can't scroll up and down that list. You also can't take photos because you can't move the camera around without the analog sticks.

Hopefully SMS will see the feedback from the community in the poll & make the needed changes (Project CARS forum thread here).

Apparently you can do this in The Crew, so it is possible on PS4.





EDIT: We have had responses from Richard Steer (User Interface Programmer) & Stephan Viljoen (Game Director/Designer) over at SMS;

Yes, it is possible to manage multiple controllers in different contexts, where some keypress on some controller might interfere with another, and handle some kind of hierarchy of input focus, there are many complications to do with how the active controller binds to the OS, and what happens when various controllers are plugged in or unplugged at different times - honestly if I gave you all the details you'd be here for days. And if we were a mature product such as the ones mentioned elsewhere in this thread, which have had vastly more man hours of design and coding time to fine tune and fix these issues, then we would have the setup that you expect. But this is a first generation product. It is shiny new just off the factory floor.

Multiple input controller handling for an interface system fundamentally designed for single input, non hierarchical, focus lead input, on a brand new platform with a new API, for an unreleased title, is NOT 'basic'.

To back up Richard here, it has been on our radar for a good while, from before release, but had to be prioritized for post release. It's not a simple flick-a-switch and it works, as Richard explained very clearly.

As I thought, this issue is already logged on our bug database. I will update the bug report with a link to this thread, so if anyone has any further information they would like to add, do so here and it will be available to the coder who fixes this - likely to be JamesB as he specialises in controller issues; though it could be me if it comes more under GUI specific code.

I will also add in the notes that the task priority needs looking at, given the discussions here!

Thanks to Richard & Stephan for responding to the issue. If you have anything further to add, then I suggest that you do so respectfully in the thread on the Project CARS forum.






EDIT: This issue will be resolved in Patch 2.0:

Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode..

Thank you very much indeed SMS!


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[psychoazubi]

Damn, after reading the title I thought you already had a solution

 

[Sureboss]

Can you turn the DS4 on and press the PS button to make that the main controller?

Then when you're done with it, press the PS button on the wheel and the wheel should become the main controller. I'm sure that's how I get my T300GTE to work.

 

[psychoazubi]

Can you turn the DS4 on and press the PS button to make that the main controller?

Then when you're done with it, press the PS button on the wheel and the wheel should become the main controller. I'm sure that's how I get my T300GTE to work.

That's for example not working with the T500

 

[svenvangent]

Damn, after reading the title I thought you already had a solution

Had the same feeling , yeeeeeeees , there is a way around but ......achrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Spitfire77]

yeah.. would really like to be able to use another device along side the wheel. I have the T300rs and it does have a lot of buttons, but I ran out quick. I had to fake out the game to get around the "required button mappings" so I could at least map the items I found most important. - To do this you go map the buttons you wish then when you normally would back out and it would give you the error, instead press your options button (ps4) and select options & help. This keeps the ones you mapped and gets you around the error.

Really would like to be able to use a keyboard for things like seat adjustment, windshield wipers, lights..

 

[BrandonW77]

This doesn't effect me, but I voted Yes to help your cause. Are there other PS4 games that let you use the wheel and DS4 at the same time? Wondering if it's a hardware issue or a software issue.

 

[GTAndy36]

Is this problem a PlayStation 4 problem, or an in-game problem? Because, everytime you turn a controller on, on the PS4, it asks you which user profile you wish to use. Of course, you'd usually pick the only 1 you've created (most people I'm meaning here), which then the PS4 will read as "this is the controller the user is now using, so we will de-activate the other controller(s) that are currently on".

 

[DaveTheStalker]

Is this problem a PlayStation 4 problem, or an in-game problem? Because, everytime you turn a controller on, on the PS4, it asks you which user profile you wish to use. Of course, you'd usually pick the only 1 you've created (most people I'm meaning here), which then the PS4 will read as "this is the controller the user is now using, so we will de-activate the other controller(s) that are currently on".

SONY has not thought a lot of things through. After all this time, they still can't come up with s fix?!

 

[Mini Stiggy]

I find it difficult to believe that SMS intended for PS4 wheel users to not be able to navigate menus using the DS4, but strangely this seems to be the case. You can't even plug a USB keyboard in to navigate the menus. How would PC users feel if everytime they plugged in their wheels their keyboard & mouse were deactivated! Yet this is exactly what us PS4 porpers are having to put up with. It's making the PS4 version feel like a thoughtless port, rather than the game developed for all platforms we were told to expect.

Hopefully SMS will see the feedback from the community in the poll & make the needed changes.

I'm using a Fanatec GT3 and can navigate the menus with a keyboard(Can't map buttons onto it though).

But yes, it would definitely be nice to be able to use a DS4.

 

[VBR]

I'm using a Fanatec GT3 and can navigate the menus with a keyboard (Can't map buttons onto it though).

Bluetooth or USB? Mines a Bluetooth, & I don't think that works on PS4.

 

[Spitfire77]

delete sorry - wrong quote.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Bluetooth or USB? Mines a Bluetooth, & I don't think that works on PS4.

USB.

 

[GTAndy36]

Bluetooth or USB? Mines a Bluetooth, & I don't think that works on PS4.

You can probably hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the PS4 @VBR, but like I mentioned in my above post, I believe the PS4 doesn't really allow multiple controllers for one 'user'. Of course, this is just guesswork, but that's what it looks like.

 

[VBR]

GT games have always allowed the use of a joypad & wheel at the same time, even when other games haven't. I doubt that there's anything different with PS4.

 

[GTAndy36]

GT games have always allowed the use of a joypad & wheel at the same time, even when other games haven't. I doubt that there's anything different with PS4.

I didn't realise other games couldn't... but tbh I've never needed to use two controllers at the same time other than on GT.

If that's the case then, let's hope it's simply a PCARS issue that can be sorted with a patch.

 

[Fanapryde]

Yes PLEASE !

Either that, or a keyboard or (even better) a button box,

I NEED MORE BUTTONS FOR THIS GAME ...​

 

[VBR]

Thanks for taking the time to vote guys. I've also posted this up on the official Project CARS forum here.

 

[bleeder]

Thanks for taking the time to vote guys. I've also posted this up on the official Project CARS forum here.

you'll probably hear back from them saying it's Sony's console design more than anything. hopefully they'll listen and do something about it, but Sony is Sony... just like you need the DS4 to turn on the console which might be why there's no official media remote either. a patch would be nice.

 

[Awong124]

There are also a lot of things the game simply doesn't allow you to do with the wheel alone. You can't scroll things that require the right analog stick to scroll, like I can't even see some of the lap times the during practice and qualifying because I can't scroll up and down that list. You also can't take photos because you can't move the camera around without the analog sticks.

 

[VBR]

you'll probably hear back from them saying it's Sony's console design more than anything. hopefully they'll listen and do something about it, but Sony is Sony... just like you need the DS4 to turn on the console which might be why there's no official media remote either. a patch would be nice.

I doubt it has anything to do with Sony's console design, after all the PS2 & PS3 with GT games always let players use wheels & controllers at the same time.

By the way, I just turned my PS4 on without using the DS4, don't know where you got that one from!

 

[Fanapryde]

By the way, I just turned my PS4 on without using the DS4, don't know where you got that one from!

I think he meant using the PS4 menu ?

 

[VBR]

I think he meant using the PS4 menu ?

...you need the DS4 to turn on the console...

I think he meant exactly what he said. It's still incorrect though.

Anyway, back on topic. DS4 & wheel at the same time please!

 

[Fanapryde]

Anyway, back on topic. DS4 & wheel at the same time please!

On the PCars forum, someone just answered on your topic. He says it is possible now ??

Edit: strike that, it was in The Crew.
I misread, wishful thinking...!

 

[VBR]

On the PCars forum, someone just answered on your topic. He says it is possible now ??

Edit: strike that, it was in The Crew.
I misread, wishful thinking...!

If it's possible in The Crew then it shows that it is possible on PS4, it's not limited by any console design.


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[GTAndy36]

Hopefully they'll patch it soon.
@Awong124 has brought to light the biggest issue with not being able to have a DS4 connected... the analog sticks!

 

[VBR]

I'm thinking more & more that this game is still gonna be unplayable even when the Fanatec fix for my GT2 is released in 1.4, because I just cannot navigate menus on a wheel.

 

[GTAndy36]

I'm thinking more & more that this game is still gonna be unplayable even when the Fanatec fix for my GT2 is released in 1.4, because I just cannot navigate menus on a wheel.

Now that really does suck. So every time you start a session you need to jump between controllers?!

 

[VBR]

In GT5 Prologue, GT5, & GT6, I was able to seamlessly switch between my wheel for driving, my Dual Shock for navigating & changing settings, & my Bluetooth keyboard for typing text messages. Being able to use a joypad & wheel at the same time makes setting up lobbies, & altering settings so quick & easy. I don't think I'm gonna last long in Project CARS if I have to input everything through a Fanatec GT2 alone, & I don't think my USB ports are gonna last long if I have to keep plugging my wheel in & out every few minutes (or my wheels on/off button)!

 

[GTAndy36]

Yep, it's certainly something that needs sorting pronto!