So, are any of you American TV watchers dreading the writer's strike?

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Except Clarkson is funny when he does it and doesn't sound pissed at the world.

Whatever.

Are they starting to get writers back now or what? They've been advertising new episodes of various shows, one that sticks out is Grey's Anatomy, not something I watch but they were showing ad spots during the Capital One Bowl yesterday.
 
JCE
Awsome, I was hoping for this kind of a response. I posted that on purpose to get a knee-jerk reaction.

And while my opinion is that I prefer non-American cars, food, music, and entertainment I did post that just for the reaction. Funny, I did just exactly what Jeremy Clarkson does, and it felt good.

You got a reaction because it was stupid. It's easy to get a reaction out of people by posting that sort of thing. Perhaps you should re-evaluate the importance of simply getting a response.
 
Except Clarkson is funny when he does it and doesn't sound pissed at the world.

Whatever.

I didn't sound "pissed off at the world" in my post. And for your information Clarkson does it a bit more with hostility when he does his. So all the fat americans love cheese and to have intercourse with their family jokes aren't as bad as what I said--and are infact funny?

Whatever.

You got a reaction because it was stupid. It's easy to get a reaction out of people by posting that sort of thing. Perhaps you should re-evaluate the importance of simply getting a response.

It was only in half jest--but if an American took offense they need to grow a tougher thicker skin. That was trivial at best.
 
JCE
It was only in half jest--but if an American took offense they need to grow a tougher thicker skin. That was trivial at best.

I see. Your recommendation is to ignore you. Got it.
 
Aaaanyway.. How's the final season of Scrubs looking? Diagnosis Doctors? :sly:
 
So here's an interesting story I came across on Digg for the Golden Globes:

Screen Actors Guild
Los Angeles (January 4, 2008) — “After considerable outreach to Golden Globe actor nominees and their representatives over the past several weeks, there appears to be unanimous agreement that these actors will not cross WGA picket lines to appear on the Golden Globe Awards as acceptors or presenters. We applaud our members for this remarkable show of solidarity for striking Writers Guild of America writers.

“We have also been asked about our position regarding network talk shows. We urge our members to appear on the two programs that have independent agreements with the WGA, The Late Show with David Letterman and Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. However, actors who are asked to appear on the struck network talk shows will have to cross WGA picket lines, creating the same situation that has led to the consensus among actors to skip the Golden Globes.

“As I have said since this strike began on November 5th, we must stand united with our brothers and sisters at the WGA.”
 
Regarding late night talk shows, I found it hilarious that Leno will go on without writers. Which will probably make it better then it normally is.
Also, as another plus, Family Guy not being on is awesome.
 
I laugh at the strike.
I mean, do they really think they are that important? It's not like we're talking about a union of oscar wildes. When the writers went on strike they only changed the situation so that eventually they will be replaced and their own value will eventually fall. Fact is, TV is not essential to life. Striking only made the writers look like selfish, greedy, hollywood types without an appreciation for the money they are already making.

Needless to say, I couldn't care less about the writer's strike. :indiff:
 
Striking only made the writers look like selfish, greedy, hollywood types without an appreciation for the money they are already making.

Personally speaking, I see it the other way. Its the producers and the film companies that are looking like the evil Hollywood types under these circumstances.

All things considered, they want very small increases in pay:

- An increase in residuals on DVD sales, going from roughly four cents currently to eight cents in the end. If you ask me, a drop in the bucket really.

- An increase in residuals on new-media sales, roughly 2.5% off of downloadable content. Again, cents on the dollar. Another drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

- More jurisdiction in reality and animated media. Again, that depends on who chooses to sign onto the WGA.

In the end, these are things that the WGA members deserve. Its greedy on behalf of the Hollywood folks to not allow this to happen.
 
I laugh at the strike.
I mean, do they really think they are that important? It's not like we're talking about a union of oscar wildes. When the writers went on strike they only changed the situation so that eventually they will be replaced and their own value will eventually fall. Fact is, TV is not essential to life. Striking only made the writers look like selfish, greedy, hollywood types without an appreciation for the money they are already making.

Needless to say, I couldn't care less about the writer's strike. :indiff:

I 100% disagree.

When there are new ways for people to sell your services, for which you are waged for with a percentage of the items sold, compensation should exist with all new forms of services sold. In addition, that compensation should exist at a 'fair or reasonable' level.
 
How much do writers actually make on average?
 
No I mean how much do they make per year? Like what is their salary? I have to imagine they get paid a decent wage.
 
No I mean how much do they make per year? Like what is their salary? I have to imagine they get paid a decent wage.

Oh, sorry. They get about $75-$90 thousand a year. Some get more, some get less.
 
Oh, sorry. They get about $75-$90 thousand a year. Some get more, some get less.

They want more? They make quite a bit more then most people do. Hell $50,000 a year is a decent jobs. I can see if they only made $30,000 or something and wanted more but $75-$95k? I'll do it for half that as long as I get insurance and vacation time.
 
Chicken scratch compared to the producers and actors who are in these films. I'd bet that for something like Spider-Man 3 (which has grossed $890M), the writers maybe have received $26 million, which obviously has to be split by the whole team that worked on the film. That is when you assume that they're making a 3% residual.

Take something that is much smaller in scale (which more often than not has a better writing staff), and you get the picture as to why they feel they're getting screwed by their 1980's-era standards.

Move onto something like new-media downloads (movies downloaded on iTunes for instance), and it gets really messy. As of right now, I'm not even sure if the writers are making any money at all on these... TV, Movie, etc. If that is the case, its a damn-shame indeed.

EDIT: Also, take into consideration the cost of living in Southern California or New York, I'm sure that $50K isn't nearly enough... Especially when you consider how important the writers are to the industry...
 
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Aaaanyway.. How's the final season of Scrubs looking? Diagnosis Doctors? :sly:

Not good. Creator stated he may release the final 8 episodes on DVD if the writer's do not come back by Spring.
 
They want more? They make quite a bit more then most people do. Hell $50,000 a year is a decent jobs. I can see if they only made $30,000 or something and wanted more but $75-$95k? I'll do it for half that as long as I get insurance and vacation time.

A good portion of their salary comes from royalties and residuals. If they don't fight now, they might never get them for DVD sales and internet downloads. What's the biggest way for people to get TV shows in the future? VOD and internet downloading.

Tivo, DirecTV and Dish Network now have receivers that can download TV shows and movies instantly into your home. No compensation for that would reduce their salaries to a much lower level, if they just allow it to happen.
 
They want more? They make quite a bit more then most people do. Hell $50,000 a year is a decent jobs. I can see if they only made $30,000 or something and wanted more but $75-$95k? I'll do it for half that as long as I get insurance and vacation time.

That's not the point. If you were in their shoes you'd think differently. Fact is, they (the writers) are essetially getting their money stolen right out of their pockets. I find it quite hypocritical for the entertainment industry (and in this case TV and Movie) to bitch and complain about people unlawfully downloading their content when they turn right around and steal from their own writers.
 
People get money stolen out from them at a job all the time. Just either live with it or go find a new job.
 
JCE
That's not the point. If you were in their shoes you'd think differently. Fact is, they (the writers) are essetially getting their money stolen right out of their pockets. I find it quite hypocritical for the entertainment industry (and in this case TV and Movie) to bitch and complain about people unlawfully downloading their content when they turn right around and steal from their own writers.

It's not theft. This is a contractual dispute for the most part and the writers are asking for clarification in their favor. From what I've read, they might have been justified in taking their employers to court over the term "advertising" being used in media available online. They're attempting to avoid being locked in to a narrow interpretation of their contract and held there by their acceptance of it.

But the answer is not clear. For one, part of what they're asking for was never promised to them (not theft). The rest of what they're asking for might have been promised to them depending on interpretation of the contract (also not theft, but possibly actionable).

Let's not pretend that this is anything more noble than what amounts to a salary dispute in a time when media sales are changing format and moving into an area not properly determined by their original contract. It's greedy (and rightly so) on behalf of all members involved. The studios are trying to hold on to every penny in a time when their media is being stolen and their advertising dollars are drying up due to technology like DVRs. Meanwhile the writers are trying to hold on to every penny in a time when their products are being given away freely online. Both sides are hurting with respect to where they were a few years back, both of them think they're the victim.

What will really determine the outcome of this strike is how replaceable the writers are, and it is possible that they've overestimated their worth. As shows like American Idol and American Gladiator come online, and shows like Mythbusters or Survivorman gain in popularity, while sports programs continue to command some of the largest ratings in television - writers may have overestimated their importance to the industry.

Edit: Crap, I was supposed to be ignoring you as per your instructions. How did you make it off of my ignore list? I assume that what you posted above was just you talking out of your ass to get a rise out of people and that I'm wasting my breath.
 
People get money stolen out from them at a job all the time. Just either live with it or go find a new job.

I think you're simplifying it way too far.

It would be like designing an engine for BMW and having them put it in all of their small cars and the MINI line as well. While you do agree to a 3% residual on all the sales of cars with that engine, they make no mention that they plan to sell it by other means, and it starts showing up in small French and Italian cars too. Even though the engine is exactly the same, they won't let you take your fair share from what is rightly yours.

One could argue that this whole deal is a great opportunity to get into the writing business (I am, after all, working on a screenplay...), but that being said, I'm still on the side of the WGA folks. They deserve to get what they're asking for.
 
I rather like the USA Network's habit of Monk reruns... Same goes for Comedy Central and their Scrubs reruns.

But, either way, this is a forum about video games. We'll manage!💡
 
When there are new ways for people to sell your services, for which you are waged for with a percentage of the items sold, compensation should exist with all new forms of services sold. In addition, that compensation should exist at a 'fair or reasonable' level.
This is why I refuse to work for commission. But honestly in any non-commission job you never get more money when a company chooses to sell a product you produce in a new way.

JCE
That's not the point. If you were in their shoes you'd think differently. Fact is, they (the writers) are essetially getting their money stolen right out of their pockets. I find it quite hypocritical for the entertainment industry (and in this case TV and Movie) to bitch and complain about people unlawfully downloading their content when they turn right around and steal from their own writers.
You know, a smart contract negotiator would have said a percentage of all profits and wouldn't have quibbled about certain amounts from certain outlets.

Of course, if they want money for free online offerings they have a lot of rethinking to do if they want more money for something that costs the production companies money. Especially when free online offerings are designed to increase DVD sales and live viewership, in essence giving the writers more money.

As Danoff pointed out this is just a contract dispute and I personally believe the fault falls on the WGA as they allowed their contract to be too constrained. When I got promoted to a salaried management position I refused to accept anything less than the two people holding the job before me had. I knew precisely what I wanted and made sure I got nothing less. When they start itemizing details on a contract there is a good chance that they can find a way to keep money you feel you should have gotten from you.

Believe me, if any of this were actually unjust on the companies' part it would be in court. Instead the writers realize they screwed up their own contract and now they want a new one and are trying to fight for it, but hurting themselves more than anyone.

I think you're simplifying it way too far.

It would be like designing an engine for BMW and having them put it in all of their small cars and the MINI line as well. While you do agree to a 3% residual on all the sales of cars with that engine, they make no mention that they plan to sell it by other means, and it starts showing up in small French and Italian cars too. Even though the engine is exactly the same, they won't let you take your fair share from what is rightly yours.
I think your example is wrong. Your agreement is for a percentage of all cars sold with that engine. So you would get a percentage from French and Italian cars to. A proper comparison would be they start selling it in boats or farm equipment (or something other than a car). Your agreement is just for cars, so while you think you should get something from the new sales too your agreement only covers cars. You allowed your self to be limited and you should have said all profits from the sale of the engine. Then other devices using it count as well.

One could argue that this whole deal is a great opportunity to get into the writing business (I am, after all, working on a screenplay...), but that being said, I'm still on the side of the WGA folks. They deserve to get what they're asking for.
SCAB!!!

Crazy thing about a Guild; they refuse to allow themselves to work for anyone who won't sign a contract saying that they will only ever hire Guild workers. Guild is just another way to say union. So, there is no opportunities for freelance writers because anyone who uses them faces not having any other guild writers for years to come.

And of course the nature of the guild means that the writers who were happy with what they had now can't work and are losing money they were not willing to sacrifice.



And just a side note: I can't verify, but I heard a news report on the radio saying that at this point the Writers have lost more money than they would have gained had the production companies just agreed. This sounds correct to me as basically half a year's worth of television is now gone and replaced by reality shows.
 
💡 sooooooooo... it's over... ? or... not? xD
Nope, it's just now starting to screw up awards shows.

Of the shows I watched I think I will have two episodes of Chuck and seven episodes of Lost.

On the plus side, American Gladiators are back!:guilty:
 
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