So how long will this last?

[Danny]

I just saw this and thought "wow".

So is a 1359hp 3.0 Inline 6 going to last long in the real world?

I thought it would just overheat with daily use, but what would actually happen?

 

[MistaX]

There's been higher horsepower daily driven cars before. As long as you stay off boost (not hard, since all 9000psi hits you at what, 5000RPM?) it's fine. Hell, it'll even feel normal. And possibly slow.

 

[Troux]

There have been higher HP cars running for a while. Ryan Woon's car ran on the same motor at 1500WHP for countless passes. The Supra motor is stout, to say the least, especially when built.

The problem is, that's a fake ad. That car doesn't belong to the "seller." The fake ad forgot to list engine internals.

 

[guska]

You are assuming it's fake simply because he didn't list engine internals? Perhaps he didn't see the point, or they are not big name parts, and so would not attract any extra attention.

 

[TuneRVisioN]

Well I drive a vehicle with 330HP with 1150Lb Ft of torque everyday, so maybe that will last too... I'm not so sure though. I'm not that educated about cars and stuff.

 

[Race Idiot]

 

[MistaX]

Entirely believable since he didn't say the word "car".

 

[TopHat]

He drives a bus.

 

[Race Idiot]

 

[TuneRVisioN]

He drives a bus.

Actually I drive 12 of them. I get a chance to drive them, but really my uncle works for MTA. lol

EDIT: For proof of the 330HP with 1150Lb Ft of torque bus just search "Flyer Articulated" It's the white and blue paint scheme for NYC Buses. I don't know how to post pictures of it. Its a 60Ft. bus so it needs that extra power. The 40Ft. buses has 276HP @ 950Lb Ft of torque. Those are all RTS Nova's 04/06, Orion V, Orion V CNG, Orion VII CNG, Flyer CNG, and some others that I don't know the name to.

 

[Troux]

You are assuming it's fake simply because he didn't list engine internals? Perhaps he didn't see the point, or they are not big name parts, and so would not attract any extra attention.

No, I KNOW it's a fake ad, for a few reasons. First off, as I mentioned, the internals. You don't NOT mention those. You just don't. If you had that car and you got asked all the time what was done to it, you would say something like turbo size, built internals, standalone, etc. Common sense.

Also, there was a single picture of the car posted in the ad. Dead giveaway, not to mention it's a TINY TINY TINY picture. Also, the guy is located in the UK and says it is one of 18 1995 TT hardtops ever sold. There were only 18 TT hardtops in 1995, this is true...in the US. Everywhere else in the country, hardtops are MUCH more common than targa Supras. They are quite rare in the states (only 326 altogether). The 1 of 1 '95 anthracite hardtops is also true for the US, however is it owned by a guy named Tommy Banh, and it is NOT for sale. You can see it here: http://www.suprahardtopregistry.com/1995/banh,tommy/tommybanh.htm

I know I'm crazy for just knowing this sort of crap off the top of my head.

 

[fyfee]

Am I the only one who has noticed a 12 year old car has only done 1000 miles?

 

[TheCracker]

It's not so much 'how long it will last' - like others have mentioned as long as you just tootle about in it you won't be risking too much damage. HOWEVER, a car with so much power for such a small capacity will be an absolute dog to drive on a daily basis. It will have to have such large turbos to get it to that level of power, it will have such bad turbo lag. Have you ever seen that Top Gear episode where Clarkson drives a Mitsi Evo FQ420(?) against some 'reasonably priced car' down a straight. They both set off in 4th of 5th at 30mph to see which picks-up the quickest. The other car totally blows the Evo away because it just takes so long for the Turbos to spool. Of course you can work this Supra through the lower gears more - but you are only going to start putting more wear and tear on the engine. Highly tuned engines like this or a race engine go out of tune very quickly.

 

[Jay]

Absolute dog to drive? A little harsh IMO, in terms of engine performance you would expect in normal driving conditions anyway (Clutch maybe a different story). Sure the Turbo/s threshold will be quite high in the rev range and you wont meet it in normal economy driving but the 3.0L I6 even with lower compression and camshafts suited for higher RPM performance it will still have easy adequate pickup for normal driving (without even meeting the turbo threshold). Driving in 6th at 30mph (I remember it being 6th) like JC did in the FQ400 and expecting much out of it is unfair as people wouldn't drive like that in normal situations.

 

[Troux]

^Agreed. An off-boost turbo Supra has more low-end than many other cars. It's purpose-built for racing, and does the job well.

 

[TheCracker]

A fairly standard Supra engine off-boost i'm sure would be perfectly tractable in normal day to day driving. However, the internals for a theoretical 1350bhp engine, massive turbos aside, will have to include some pretty hard-core cams to make the most of the large turbo's characteristics. The cams alone will mean the low end of the rev range will be poor.

 

[guska]

Fair call cracker, for example, and correct me if I mis-understand things, an F1 engine is great up high, and has a shirt load of power, up high, but nowhere near that amount of power or torque down low. A factory engine is designed with maximum driveability and a flatter torque curve, whereas an engine such as this monster would have a rather sharp torque curve, and have a diff and clutch to match the higher power at higher revs, but would fare well at lkower revs where the diff would most likely be too tall, and the clutch too snatchy. And that is without going into gear ratios within the box (presuming that it's a custom box, and I'm too lazy/tired to go back and check now).

 

[TheCracker]

Put it this way, why would VW bother wasting squillions on developing a massively complex W16, quad-turboed engine for their Veyron when they could have just used a 3ltr straight 6 Toyota unit instead - and had an extra 340bhp to play with?

Answer: because an engine like that Toyota unit just doesn't offer the flexibility or reliability that a road car engine requires when it is tuned to produce so much horsepower.

 

[Troux]

^A Chevy motor woulda been a better choice anyways.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Troux, I seriously hope you're sarcastic now

TheCracker: How do you know if a Toyota engine is realible or not at that power, Toyota never produced such powerfull engines And I don't think we can call the 2JZ-GTE unreliable

 

[MistaX]

TheCracker: How do you know if a Toyota engine is realible or not at that power, Toyota never produced such powerfull engines And I don't think we can call the 2JZ-GTE unreliable

How can he say the Veyron is reliable as well. No one drives them.

 

[TheCracker]

TheCracker: How do you know if a Toyota engine is realible or not at that power, Toyota never produced such powerfull engines And I don't think we can call the 2JZ-GTE unreliable

Toyota never produced an engine that powerful? - you don't say

Now, whilst i'm sure a standard 2JZ-GTE engine is the most reliable engine ever made. ANY engine stretched that far from production spec is going to have a short shelf life.

 

[Deathclown66]

I saw a single turbo S2000 with 843whp in a tuner mag, that still managed around 200hp at 3000rpm.
and thats a 2.2l 4cyl.
it's all in proper tuning.
some cars have 1300hp and make great power at 2-3k rpm's, and some make nothing until 6k

 

[Troux]

Ultrashot, I wasn't being sarcastic. If you want a short lifespan, ultra performance motor, get a Chevy V8. Just ask the dragster teams. Hell, if every part in the engine melted to oblivion, you could still replace the whole thing for fairly cheap.

Toyota never produced an engine that powerful? - you don't say

Now, whilst i'm sure a standard 2JZ-GTE engine is the most reliable engine ever made. ANY engine stretched that far from production spec is going to have a short shelf life.

Wrong, but I don't blame you. Adding mods to a car almost certainly shortens the engine's lifespan, however was proposterously overbuilt. I've seen stock motors running well over 500Hp that have been taken over 150K miles (keep in mind, Supra owners DRIVE their cars ), many over 180K, as well, a handful over 200K, and even a couple at 225, 250K miles. These are turbo (read: high heat, high load) motors. I actually haven't heard of any 2JZs just falling apart from age. Usually one of the most common items that leaves a car as declared dead from aging is a worn/cracked/blown head gasket. I know the stock head gasket is used on several 1300+RWHP Supras. Toyota overbuilds all of their cars and took it a step further for the Supra. Amazing cars.