So let me get this straight, no demo for GT5 on PSN but a demo in stores?

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And before anyone starts yelling GT5 Prologue, that cost money

We already have a Demo... GT5 Prologue ;/

The "demo" they put in stores and Shows are probably for updates on the main content to come.

I, for one, haven't even bought the PS3 yet, nor have I ever played Prologue!!! Don't wanna spoil the fun:)

Keeping all the suspense and excitement for the "BIG DAY":drool:

So I guess if every gaming company out there sold people a prologue there would never be a need for a "demo" and we could erase that word from the dictionary. :)
 
Right... Just Cause 2, Killzone 2, Dirt 2 etc...



Apparently someone has a time machine...



Assumptions = Fact?
Come on now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that GT5 will sell extremely well. So in my opinion its a very fair assumption.

Based on your replies in many threads im now convinced your nothing more than a troll. You know many on here are looking forward to GT5 and because of this your posts are always written in a way thats guaranteed to get a reply.
 
Having a demo in retail stores allows customers to play the game, and then instantly pre-order if from the buzz they have because they are fresh from the game.

If somebody plays a demo at home and then goes to the store to purchase it, they have time to change their mind or choose another game that tickles their fancy.

That is my theory anyway.

If I would go by this line of logic I'd own a xBox 360:yuck: as 4 out of the 5 stores I visit the PS3 demo have controllers that don't work:tdown:. So I'd have to find a game on the xBox:nervous: or Wii:dunce:. So yes the demo should be on PSN. I find it funny when you ask about them not working and they just say we've fixed it but it broke again:tdown:.
 
simply polyphony doesent want to release a buggy demo not representative of the final game on psn. that would be a catastrophe from a marketing perspective.

imagine all the videos with the demo bugs invading the internet....even with the limited expo demos we have a lot of those buggy videos...
 
simply polyphony doesent want to release a buggy demo not representative of the final game on psn. that would be a catastrophe from a marketing perspective.

imagine all the videos with the demo bugs invading the internet....even with the limited expo demos we have a lot of those buggy videos...

That right there is food for thought. Good post.👍
 
I, for one, haven't even bought the PS3 yet, nor have I ever played Prologue!!! Don't wanna spoil the fun:)

Keeping all the suspense and excitement for the "BIG DAY":drool:

Just to let you know, you are pretty much shooting yourself in the foot by not buying a PS3 as soon as possible. They are really hard to find, at least in stores and you are going to be stuck buying one with a Move bundle which is over $400 as opposed to $300.
 
Come on now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that GT5 will sell extremely well. So in my opinion its a very fair assumption.

I absolutely agree GT5 will almost certainly sell like hotcakes. But that doesn't make the logic any less flawed or make it any less of an assumption.

Based on your replies in many threads im now convinced your nothing more than a troll. You know many on here are looking forward to GT5 and because of this your posts are always written in a way thats guaranteed to get a reply.

And I am convinced a lot of people are fanboys in denial and don't understand the difference between trolling and just having an opinion that is they find unpleasant.

Just to let you know, you are pretty much shooting yourself in the foot by not buying a PS3 as soon as possible. They are really hard to find, at least in stores and you are going to be stuck buying one with a Move bundle which is over $400 as opposed to $300.

I have not seen these shortages... Are they really that common? I mean with amazon always a click away are we really likey to be out of ps3s anytime soon?

Just a few days ago there was a smokin deal on 250GB ps3s for about $210 from kmart and people scored tons of em...
 
I would like a demo, but I'm ok if we don't get one.

Forza 2+3, GT5P, and Dirt 2 should hopefully hold off the wait.
 
And I am convinced a lot of people are fanboys in denial and don't understand the difference between trolling and just having an opinion that is they find unpleasant.

What am I supposed to be in denial about. I have a very positive attitude about GT5 because everything I hoped for is in the game i.e weather, track creator etc. However based on your posts on this forum you seem to be negative about everything and I cannot remember reading one positive post from you about GT5. Now obviously your entitled to your opinion but in my opinion you are intentionally negative just so you get a reaction, hence the troll comment I made earlier.
 
What am I supposed to be in denial about.

I didn't say specifically you... I tend not to pay attention to user names very much so if I haven't had a discussion with you in the last day or two there is a good chance I don't recall exactly what your previous posts are. However usually if I have responded to something you said that I feell is illogical or irrational I will have explained why there.

I cannot remember reading one positive post from you about GT5.

You aren't the only one to make that mistake. I have said quite a few positive things about GT5, features I was looking forward too, things that were pleasant surprises. But I don't go on for very long about them becuase... well honestly I kind of expect GT5 to be a top performer and to set the bar in a lot of places. I mean do you go into a 5 star restaraunt and rave about how the napkins were clean, the silver was polished and no one spilled hot soup on you? No... the positives may be mentioned, but just because I don't go on about them doesn't mean I don't appreciate them.

I mean I LOVE premium cars and how detailed and sexy they look, but then... that's what I have been expecting for 5 years... so I may mention it here and there but I don't go on for pages about it or anything. But when things don't live up to expectations I bring those up to and as they tend to get more rsponses and often more illogical and irrational responses, they tend to be the ones I spend more time with.

In short I have said positive things, but people often decide I am only here to be negative and don't notice or remember them. I have pointed this out few times before to others who also said I am never positive... but ironically I think those posts get skimmed over too.

Now obviously your entitled to your opinion but in my opinion you are intentionally negative just so you get a reaction, hence the troll comment I made earlier.

Opinions are opinions and we all got em... but when opinions are stated as fact and when arguments are provided and aren't rational or logical, I point that out. That's unpleasant for some people and their defenses often go up and the first response is I must be a troll.

Look at this thread:

I agree it's up to PD whether they want to release a demo or not. I don't think they are under any obligation to put on on PSN and honestly I can think of a few reason maybe why they wouldn't want to.

However while I may agree on the point with some poeple, when they come along with irrational and illogical arguments to back up why I call them out on it.

Only new or bad games need a demo? Really? No I don't think so... any game can benefit from a demo.

People only want a demo to pick it apart and bash it? Well their is already a publically available demo widespread and people already have access to it. It's not like those who want to pick apart GT5 don't already have an avenue to do so so that argument makes no sense.

There is no time to make a demo? There is a demo already made... that's holds no water either.

I am not being negative, I am just pointing out the obvious flawed logic. Hoowever many people are so wrapped up in the which hunt of looking for trolls they fail to see that and simply assume I must be being negative and trollish, however if you are open and honest iwth your evaluation, I don't think you can find fault with the points I have made.

So, if I am only making valid points, but am being lambasted for it... who does that then make the real trolls?
 
My theory on the matter, after playing the in-store demo, is that the reason they didn't release a PSN demo is because the demo is unfinished, kind of crappy, and full of glitches. The only reason they released a store demo is because Sony said they had to give them something (hence why it's so incomplete), and because people in the store pick it up and drive a lap or two, then move on. If people had it at home to sit around and dissect it, PD would get lambasted here on GTP by immature 13 year olds screaming that the physics are horrible, the damage sucks, there's glitches galore, and that they won't bother buying the game because it's going to suck.

As it is, people walk by in the store, play for a couple minutes and say "wow!", then move on and hopefully buy it when it comes out.
 
Demos can lead to bad press, bad press can lead to loss of hype, and lose of hype can lead to loss of sales. So if there is no demo, there is no chance of losing sales.

I believe GT5 is gonna be a brilliant game, but I also believe that there are gonna be a few shortcomings.

There are a lot of games that have a NDA to the last day or even the day after just because publishers don't want to lose potential sales created by hype.
 
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ktr
Demos can lead to bad press, bad press can lead to loss of hype, and bad lose of hype can lead to loss of sales. So if there is no demo, there is no chance of losing sales.

Well investing in making games costs money, make a bad game, you loose money, not making games means you can't lose money. But of course everything has at least two sides...

As a bad demo can lead to bad press, a good demo can lead to good press and exposure which can generate more sales. So while no demo means you don't make a bad impression on people, it also means you miss an opportunity to capture potential sales. Let's just say they probably wouldn't have had product demos and interviews at the major game shows if this wasn't true.

That said the natural question then is, this close to release, why is there a fear of a bad demo and also if the plan is no demo thus not turn anyone off, why release a demo to stores for people to play?

Again, the logic doesn't really work when you actually consider the reality of the whole picture and not just an isolated theoretical situation.
 
So while no demo means you don't make a bad impression on people, it also means you miss an opportunity to capture potential sales.

You make your initial sales on hype, then get more sales based on reviews and word of mouth, and finally push a demo later on to capture stranglers. All the triple A titles these days are doing such that.

...why release a demo to stores for people to play?

I am no PR guy, but as one who has played the store demo, it did turn me off from the game, but I know it is not the final product.
 
usually, highly hyped games dont have a beta because their potential sales are already very high. right now, gt5 will sell millions on hype alone. when u put a demo out there, u have more to lose then u have to gain. beta is more useful for a product that has nowhere to go but up. right now, gt5 has everything to lose and nothing to gain, so a demo is a bad move. but as a hungry gt5er, i want a demo
 
That said the natural question then is, this close to release, why is there a fear of a bad demo and also if the plan is no demo thus not turn anyone off, why release a demo to stores for people to play?

Yep with all the time they have spent with multiple demos they could have created one good one free of glitches that would have given them great publicity.
 
usually, highly hyped games dont have a beta because their potential sales are already very high. right now, gt5 will sell millions on hype alone. when u put a demo out there, u have more to lose then u have to gain. beta is more useful for a product that has nowhere to go but up. right now, gt5 has everything to lose and nothing to gain, so a demo is a bad move. but as a hungry gt5er, i want a demo

This.:)
 
ktr
Demos can lead to bad press, bad press can lead to loss of hype, and lose of hype can lead to loss of sales. So if there is no demo, there is no chance of losing sales.

But GT5, like previous GT games, will likely sell well over time not at launch, so the whole demo killing hype idea isn't holding any weight. Whatever bad hype it would get from teh demos would be decimated by people who actually bought the game.
 
They have a plan in place and are definitely following it. They haven't sent the game out to magazines yet. The Nov issue of PTOM has Twisted Metal on it! Roger from PTOM told me on Twitter that PD has nit sent the game. Which is why it's not on the cover.

According to Jayskey's Logano should be driving the GameStop GT5 car at Martinsville, a couple if weeks before release. Why not run that car at 'dega for Cup or Gateway for Nationwide or the weekend after the game releases?

Very interesting.
 
Demo's are generally restricted by size. You'll rarely find game demo's over 1.5gb. The demo's at retail stores would be close to 4 or 5gb. They had a job reducing certain aspects of GT Academy without compromising performance and looks.

Prologue is our demo and they're not going to waste time creating another, no matter how out dated it is in prologues case.

I doubt we'll see many demo's for bigger games in the future. Mafia 2's Demo effectively destroyed its sales.
 
ktr
Demos can lead to bad press, bad press can lead to loss of hype, and lose of hype can lead to loss of sales. So if there is no demo, there is no chance of losing sales.

Not really, you would be surprised at how many people don't pay attention to the internet. A bad demo wouldn't really create bad press at all for a game with this much hype and advertising behind. The game is still going to sell extremely well. Remember PD put out a glorified demo for GT5 and it sold 4.5 million copies. Gran Turismo 4 sold over 10 million copies and before that game came out, the series had sold over 35 million copies. Gran Turismo is a game a huge number of Playstation owners pick up, it is a flagship title for the system and Sony has a lot of advertising lined up for it. Expect to see TV Spots constantly in the next few weeks. This game will sell over 1 million copies very quickly.
 
I have not seen these shortages... Are they really that common? I mean with amazon always a click away are we really likey to be out of ps3s anytime soon?

Just a few days ago there was a smokin deal on 250GB ps3s for about $210 from kmart and people scored tons of em...

Not even Amazon had Playstation 3s for months this year. A quick look at Amazon though does show that they have them, but I was at a Best Buy and Target this week and they didn't have them. Most of the time when i'm at my local Best Buy, they have zero Playstation 3s but always a lot of 360s and Wiis available. They have been selling out quickly for most of the year.
 
there's also a jailbreak out for the ps3... that may be one reason stock in the stores *might* run low lately. sony's patched up the jailbreak potential with the latest firmware but i'd assume the units in stores are still on older firmware.

generally though, i don't think anyone should have too much difficulty in buying a ps3, if any difficulty at all.
 
there's also a jailbreak out for the ps3... that may be one reason stock in the stores *might* run low lately. sony's patched up the jailbreak potential with the latest firmware but i'd assume the units in stores are still on older firmware.

generally though, i don't think anyone should have too much difficulty in buying a ps3, if any difficulty at all.

I don't think this has an effect on Playstation 3 sales. A lot of people who pay attention to gaming news know about it at this point but I don't think that is enough to cause people to go running out to buy a PS3. Especially once they learn what all is involved in the process of Jailbreaking your system and just how complex it really is.

Plus no PSN if you do jailbreak. There goes GT5s best feature by far.
 
Actually, jailbreaking a PS3 isn't complex at all. It's a few simple steps. Even the hardware for it can be found quite cheaply now, if it's not already in your possession.

You're right though about losing PSN and one of GT5s greatest features; however, there are a lot more games for the PS3.

Despite all this, I still don't think it would skyrocket sales anyway, but I'm sure there were at least a few hold-outs from the PS3 that may've finally been pushed to buy one once the jailbreak came out. In fact, I know this for sure as members of other online communities I belong to mentioned they did just that.

I think a bigger factor to see more PS3s selling lately is probably the release of Move and 3-D gaming.
 
Not even Amazon had Playstation 3s for months this year. A quick look at Amazon though does show that they have them, but I was at a Best Buy and Target this week and they didn't have them. Most of the time when i'm at my local Best Buy, they have zero Playstation 3s but always a lot of 360s and Wiis available. They have been selling out quickly for most of the year.

Agreed. When I had to replace my PS3 this summer, the only place I found in my county that hadn't sold out of PS3s was the store on the local Air Force base. I called Gamestops, Targets, Walmarts, Kmarts, Best Buys and none of those places had any. The closest Gamestop that had a PS3 was two and a half hours away and they only had one. I guess it all just depends on where you live.
 
My opinion was that it was ridiculous that PD did not release the demo to PSN, and that the only logical reason was that Gamestop/Bestbuy wanted it to be in store only to get people to come in.

But after playing it, I really don't think that particular demo was refined enough to go out to the public, SUPER glitchy. Not enough to give the average kiosk player a bad impression, but enough that if someone took the time to DL the thing and really play it, they'd think PD was a bunch of slackers.

So it's better they didn't waste time getting a clean demo out on PSN.

I just hope they made that demo really easy or something to win over the noob-gamers ... because compared to the TT demo it was super arcade easy.
 
to be fair we do need some small demo of some kind to test the online compatibility.

F1 2010 didn't have a demo but it does have lots of bugs in it.

dirt 2 and the likes did have demos and betas and they didn't have bugs when they came out.

we need something to make sure the game isint bugged of anything when its released. after all, the online features are the first for this game and i remember gt5p being laggy
 
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