So, the US was not that strict follower of the Human rights eh?

[Crayola]

What the hell are you on about? Iraq was a secular state and the Hussein ragime didnt put up with crap like terrorist cells. Im sure if there were any, it would only of been a result of the revenge cycle brought on by September 11, surely you can see how the Islamic people would have been pissed off with that, However I did support the invasion of Afghanistan.

 

[Crayola]

Anyway, regardless of what either of us say we're not going to change our views so can we just drop it. By the way tercel is an ass, the actions of a group of americans in know way reflects America as a whole. In much the same way as Sadam Husseins actions in no way represent the entire population of iraq. (Yeh, that was so subtle...)

 

[Crayola]

Originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
Crayola, read up on some history. There have been terrorists in and around Iraq for years. Even longer than the USA has been around.

Nice work man. Where'd you get that? The encyclopeadia of stupid **** you pulled out of your ass? Get a clue. Iraq wasn't linked to terrorism.

 

[3rdgenracerX]

Originally posted by Crayola
Anyway, regardless of what either of us say we're not going to change our views so can we just drop it. By the way tercel is an ass, the actions of a group of americans in know way reflects America as a whole. In much the same way as Sadam Husseins actions in no way represent the entire population of iraq.

I do agree with that, people cant have an opinion on an entire nation, race, religion, or people as a whole soley based on what a select few do.

I spent a few years in Turkey on and off base where I lived among Muslims. They are just the same as you or me. We all want the same thing, and thats to be able to live out or lives in peace. I never met one single person who wanted to hurt or harm me because I was american.

 

[3rdgenracerX]

Originally posted by Crayola
Nice work man. Where'd you get that? The encyclopeadia of stupid **** you pulled out of your ass? Get a clue. Iraq wasn't linked to terrorism.

I didnt say IRAQ is/or has been a terrorist nation. I said that terrorist factions have been in Iraq in previous years. Maybe not Alquada but there have been Iraqi terrorists. I should have qouted this in my post.

Remeber the Iraqis WEREN'T terrorists before. I'm suspicious if any Iraqi's ever had any links with the Al Quaeda (sp?) network at all. But now they most certainly do and that's all to do with the invasion (in their eyes) of Iraq.

 

[Crayola]

Originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
I didnt say IRAQ is/or has been a terrorist nation. I said that terrorist factions have been in Iraq in previous years. Maybe not Alquada but there have been Iraqi terrorists. I should have qouted this in my post.

When I say Iraq I don't mean it or its government. I mean everything inside iraq aswell. There weren't any prevelent anti-american terrorist cells within Iraq.

 

[3rdgenracerX]

Originally posted by Crayola
When I say Iraq I don't mean it or its government. I mean everything inside iraq aswell. There weren't any prevelent anti-american terrorist cells within Iraq.

I see you changed your post. Before you were saying that there were never ANY Iraqi terrorists in IRAQ before the US becamed involved against them in the early 90's. Oddly they liked us in the Iran/Iraq war when we helped them. But hate us because we choose to protect Kuwaitt and oppose them in the gulf war.

Originally posted by Crayola
Remeber the Iraqis WEREN'T terrorists before.

Of course there will be annamosity between IRAQ and the US, just like when the British Monharcy held over Iraq from 1918 until 1958 when they were overthrown in a violent coup. Of course as "Bush has planned" we will return full govermental responsibilites to the people of Iraq once it is deemed that the opposing factions have been delt with and Iraq can regain control over its country and govern it in a democratic way. Just like back then we are doing the same thing as the british were "giving back the control of Iraq to Iraqi's" But for some reason which I dont understand they dont see it that way and continue to fight against us being there even knowing that we will return the country to them. US policy forbids us from taking land during war, we always return land that troops have occoupied.

 

[Ghost C]

I think we should ban Tercel for being such an idiot.

Also, 👍 on the avatar, Crayola. Who's the chick?

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by Crayola
Anyway, regardless of what either of us say we're not going to change our views so can we just drop it. By the way tercel is an ass, the actions of a group of americans in know way reflects America as a whole. In much the same way as Sadam Husseins actions in no way represent the entire population of iraq. (Yeh, that was so subtle...)

Do a backtrack to 9/11 and describe the attitude of the "Americans" toward Muslim residents.

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by Ghost C
I think we should ban Tercel for being such an idiot.

Also, 👍 on the avatar, Crayola. Who's the chick?

And I think they should ban guns for non-military people.

 

[Ghost C]

Look, kid, I know you think you're a really "kewl dood" for going up against the "evil America", but the truth is, you're a dumbass.

You're not changing anyone's views, or making people see the "real reason" (read: bull****) we went to war. You're just a dumbass.

You don't "pwn" anyone. You have never won at anything. You're at the shallow end of the gene pool, and lastly... You're a dumbass.

Do us all a favor, remove yourself from the population of humanity, and become a statistic, because you're a dumbass.

I mean really. You're a dumbass. Do you realize how big of a dumbass you are? Do you take pride in being such a dumbass? Were you born this big of a dumbass, or did you have to work at it?

 

[XzifT]

8 "Dumbasses", all towards Tercel. Just awesome. If I put dumbass in a post 8 times towards the same person, I'd look dumb, but you pulled it off. 👍 You demand respect.

 

[The359]

I think Crayola has magically forgotten Iraq trying to invade and take over Kuwait in order to steal oil. Hussein has no problem taking over entire countries, but you think he doesn't allow terrorists to live in his country? Come on, use a little logic here...

 

[DGB454]

I come back now and then to the forum to see what is going on. I'm shocked......This place seems to have sunk to a new low.

That comment isn't meant for everyone.

 

[Ghost C]

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[3rdgenracerX]

Originally posted by Tercel_driver
Do a backtrack to 9/11 and describe the attitude of the "Americans" toward Muslim residents.

Driectly taken from my post above.

originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
I spent a few years in Turkey on and off base where I lived among Muslims. They are just the same as you or me. We all want the same thing, and thats to be able to live out or lives in peace. I never met one single person who wanted to hurt or harm me because I was american.

Theres my view on muslim's, And guess what I'm an American. I hold no anamosity towards anyone baised on their skin color, nationality, religion, or preferences. So what if a few muslims attacked america, it doesnt mean that every single muslim is evil and wants to kill americans.
Rather yet Tercel, what is YOUR view on americans? Wait we already know.

 

[Ghost C]

Let's get back to the real issue at hand here. Tercel is a complete and total idiot, and deserves to be banned for lowering the general IQ of the website by more than a few points.

Ban Tercel. Ban him good. Perm account ban, IP ban, the works. Banninate the **** out of him.

 

[boombexus]

Slow ya roll Ghost.

 

[XzifT]

Originally posted by Ghost C
Let's get back to the real issue at hand here. Tercel is a complete and total idiot, and deserves to be banned for lowering the general IQ of the website by more than a few points.

Ban Tercel. Ban him good. Perm account ban, IP ban, the works. Banninate the **** out of him.

Agreed. 👍 I'm even dumber now.

 

[///M-Spec]

Let's review the situation. Evidence surfaces that some American MPs have mistreated Iraqi prisoners. World, including United States, is outraged. US General condemns behavior. President says preps will be brought to justice.

Notorious GTP knucklehead makes not one, but two posts about it.

Meanwhile, through the war and occupation, captured US soldiers are regularly shown on videotape threatened by armed insurgents. Many are executed. Japanese relief workers ---non-military people who volunteered to go to Iraq to help ease the suffering of children-- are kidnapped and threatened with death --by burning. Bodies of contractors are torn apart and paraded in the streets, in violation of not only international law, but Islam's own holy tenants.

I don't see or read a single news report showing Iraqi or general Arab outrage over insurgent tactics, handling of prisoners or even condemnation of bombs that explode and kill children on their way to school. Some cleric lackadaisically reminds Muslims its okay to blow people up, just don’t mangle the bodies.

GTP knucklehead, who is apparently very concerned with human rights, fails to post negative threads about any of these events.

Double standards are very convenient, aren't they? Way to go, hypocrites.


M

 

[3rdgenracerX]

Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Meanwhile, through the war and occupation, captured US soldiers are regularly shown on videotape threatened by armed insurgents. Many are executed. Japanese relief workers ---non-military people who volunteered to go to Iraq to help ease the suffering of children-- are kidnapped and threatened with death --by burning. Bodies of contractors are torn apart and paraded in the streets, in violation of not only international law, but Islam's own holy tenants.

This is what I dont get, this is happening all the time in Iraq where factions are doing far worse than posing in a pic with a naked prisoner, or having a video of a guy standing on a box. In the eyes of the world this is worse than what the factions are doing? BS is what I say. How is Execution, kidnapping, and death threats less concerning than posing with a naked prisioner. Seeing a person's body burned, riped apart and people parading it up and down the streets, hanging it up for everyone to see, how these actions can be seen as less or having little to no significance compared to soliders posing in a picture or making a person stand on a soapbox is beyond me.

Sure what those american soliders did was wrong and the had better be punished for doing it. But this small incident fails in comparison as to what the factions in Iraq are doing every day.

 

[gt4]

Originally posted by ///M-Spec
Meanwhile, through the war and occupation, captured US soldiers are regularly shown on videotape threatened by armed insurgents. Many are executed. Japanese relief workers ---non-military people who volunteered to go to Iraq to help ease the suffering of children-- are kidnapped and threatened with death --by burning. Bodies of contractors are torn apart and paraded in the streets, in violation of not only international law, but Islam's own holy tenants.

I don't see or read a single news report showing Iraqi or general Arab outrage over insurgent tactics, handling of prisoners or even condemnation of bombs that explode and kill children on their way to school. Some cleric lackadaisically reminds Muslims its okay to blow people up, just don’t mangle the bodies.

GTP knucklehead, who is apparently very concerned with human rights, fails to post negative threads about any of these events.

Double standards are very convenient, aren't they? Way to go, hypocrites.


M

Thank you for mentioning that. That has really been bugging me alot.

 

[///M-Spec]

Originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
This is what I dont get, this is happening all the time in Iraq where factions are doing far worse than posing in a pic with a naked prisoner, or having a video of a guy standing on a box. In the eyes of the world this is worse than what the factions are doing? BS is what I say. How is Execution, kidnapping, and death threats less concerning than posing with a naked prisioner. Seeing a person's body burned, riped apart and people parading it up and down the streets, hanging it up for everyone to see, how these actions can be seen as less or having little to no significance compared to soliders posing in a picture or making a person stand on a soapbox is beyond me.

Sure what those american soliders did was wrong and the had better be punished for doing it. But this small incident fails in comparison as to what the factions in Iraq are doing every day.

Because many Arabs subscribes to this simple rule of Hating the West: when an Arab or Muslim kidnaps, tortures or blows people up, they must have a good reason. They are fighting for their freedom or simply acting through the will of god. After all, they are Muslims, and whatever they do is automatically justifed to another muslim. There are no exceptions to this rule. Even Saddam Hussein at his worst was still preferable to an American anybody... because at least he was an Arab and a Muslim.

When an American blows someone up, even by accident, or mistreats a prisoner or acts in a unethical way, it is because their pure evil is coming though. They are seeking to oppress people and are acting through the will of Satan. After all, they are NOT Muslims.

Once again for clarity. Muslims = always good and fighting for the right thing. Americans and any non-Muslims = always bad and fighting for Satan.


M

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
This is what I dont get, this is happening all the time in Iraq where factions are doing far worse than posing in a pic with a naked prisoner, or having a video of a guy standing on a box. In the eyes of the world this is worse than what the factions are doing? BS is what I say. How is Execution, kidnapping, and death threats less concerning than posing with a naked prisioner. Seeing a person's body burned, riped apart and people parading it up and down the streets, hanging it up for everyone to see, how these actions can be seen as less or having little to no significance compared to soliders posing in a picture or making a person stand on a soapbox is beyond me.

Sure what those american soliders did was wrong and the had better be punished for doing it. But this small incident fails in comparison as to what the factions in Iraq are doing every day.

What you don't get is for a country that proclaimed itself the following leader of the human rights, the pictures of the naked Iraq POWs are a big letdown.

It is common of the Iraq rebels to do that (extortion, assassinations, and that). Thanks to them, now everybody is going to think bad of this country. That is what you don't get.

You will say, "oh sure, that was just them, not us", but everybody pays the price for the actions of certain group of people. Just like the terrorists attacks of 9/11. Because of that, all the Muslims living in the United States are subject of discrimination.

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by Ghost C
Let's get back to the real issue at hand here. Tercel is a complete and total idiot, and deserves to be banned for lowering the general IQ of the website by more than a few points.

Ban Tercel. Ban him good. Perm account ban, IP ban, the works. Banninate the **** out of him.

Damn, the classic IQ attack.

That is just as sad as a gangsta wannabe.

 

[The359]

Hey, chuckles, you did see the fact that the government does not condone what people did? Just because some people screwed up does not mean we have a lack of human rights.

If you want to be like that, then just say we have no human rights because we have murders and serial killers within our own borders...



BTW: Isn't tercel's sig a tad long?

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by Tercel_driver
What you don't get is for a country that proclaimed itself the following leader of the human rights,

I've never heard this said - perhaps the news didn't reach this side of the Atlantic.

But no country which has the death penalty in force can be the leader of human rights.

(I pointed out the 11-line signature in the Iron Chef thread, but so far he's been ignoring/unaware of it)

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by The359
Hey, chuckles, you did see the fact that the government does not condone what people did? Just because some people screwed up does not mean we have a lack of human rights.

If you want to be like that, then just say we have no human rights because we have murders and serial killers within our own borders...



BTW: Isn't tercel's sig a tad long?

Were you born yesterday? Probably, right now, all the Middle East has another greater reason to hate us. I bet, they are planning something really bad, and it is all because of those idiots.

 

[miata13B]

Hey Theresa, why don't you shut up. I mean, it is nice you have opinions, but I don't think anyone wants to hear them.

 

[Tercel_driver]

Originally posted by Famine
I've never heard this said - perhaps the news didn't reach this side of the Atlantic.

But no country which has the death penalty in force can be the leader of human rights.

(I pointed out the 11-line signature in the Iron Chef thread, but so far he's been ignoring/unaware of it)

For a superpower like the United States of America, to be the ones involved in WWII, Vietnam War, Iraq War, and now this current war in the Middle East; to be the fighting leaders of the good cause, to be the only country in the globe to virtually have the power to make another country shutdown their defense system, you think the recent treating of the Iraq POWS will be taken lightly?

They surely didn't proclaimed themselves, but everybody expects them not to screw up. That is the big pressure this country has. To not screw up.