So this is what happens when Germans get a hold of a Vette

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Wait, were lucky to get near a Corvette? Hmmm, I must be pretty lucky then... My neighbor has an '05 Corvette Convertable Magnaride with the T56, Nav, and all the other goodies that could have been optioned on it. IMO: Too much crap for a sports car, but thats just my opinion. My favorite Vette I've ever been in is still the 2002 Z06 in Millenium Yellow with the red/black leather seats. Of course, a new Z06 could change that, and I suppose the other '05 Z51 I've been in ties for first, but Corvettes are pretty common around here.

BTW: Popups still kick ass, and I'd love to see them make a comeback. I'm crossing my fingers that the new Camaro uses a similar system to what was on the old RS and SS models with the vac-op headlights that moved when you turn the lights on. That would be awesome!

Someone mentioned that the car looked like a Callaway... Damn, I thought I was going to be the first one to say it! Anyway, I can see a bit of the C12 in this model...
 
YSSMAN
similar system to what was on the old RS and SS models with the vac-op headlights that moved when you turn the lights on. That would be awesome!
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I love those vacuum operated concealed headlights, I wish the 67-71 Holden Monaros had them, maybe even the next possible GTO could have them like they did in 68-69 :)
 
That Vette looks UGLY. Europeans don't know how to tune American cars. Period. Look at the exhausts. Look at the car itself. The Corvette spirit is lost.
 
That will be close to 30 grand USD (guesstimate), and only adds 124HP on a 6.0L engine? Sounds like a poor value considering that Lingenfelter has been building 800+HP Vettes on the old 5.7 V8 for a long time now, at similar prices. But, Europeans don't have easy access to Lingenfelter, so I guess they will like it. (Rich European Vette buyers anyway) The German package does seem to be more complete with the body panles and wheels, etc., but you get my drift. Sharp car though.
 
I dont like the look of this car and I think its pointless. The rims are ghey. Too bling and too big. And whats the point of the supercharger when it barely makes more power than a Z06 for so much more money?
 
Well, we have the same problem in the US. Why spend $80K on a Lingenfelter C6 402 (refering to 402ci LS2) with the same output of the Z06? Its a Lingenfelter for one, and is just a few ticks faster in certain categories.
 
tacky is the kind of wheels they pop on an Esky (escallade)

i think the reason that popups, dipped in lights (re: late 90's Camaro/Geo Storm), "eyebrow" lights, etc were discarded for increased aerodynamics, a lower COD, fuel efficency bosts...and so they didn't look retro around the Viper :P

and I'm not kidding. I have a personal passion for Sharknose (c2) vettes, but I still incurr horrendous insurance rates in a Japanese econobox (i paid a GRAND for 6 months for my 83 camry). i haven't even set inside a Euorpean import yet. the camry was IT
 
Just to clarify about the Ford 4.6L V8. I never said it was a Mustang. I just found a random Ford V8, this one happened to be from a 2002 F-150. If you want the page where I found all the statistics, you can find them here
 
GT4_Rule
That Vette looks UGLY. Europeans don't know how to tune American cars. Period. Look at the exhausts. Look at the car itself. The Corvette spirit is lost.
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Quite frankly, I think the C6 'Vette in general looks ugly. The airdam on this at least matches up with the contour of the headlights somewhat, and it looks very much like a Ferrari 550 Marenello, with the hood looking very Callaway-esque.
 
Toronado
Quite frankly, I think the C6 'Vette in general looks ugly. The airdam on this at least matches up with the contour of the headlights somewhat, and it looks very much like a Ferrari 550 Marenello, with the hood looking very Callaway-esque.
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Um, I think the hood is stock!

(except for those tacky vents)
 
JCE3000GT
...the Mustang GT 4.6l has NEVER been 231bhp...
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1996 Ford Mustang GT -- 4.6L V8 -- 215hp / 290lb.ft

And the 4.6L was preceded by a 4.9L that made the same numbers. The 4.6L's numbers have improved over the years to what you see today, but it never made 300hp until the 2005 Mustang.

skip0110
And Audi's 4.2 L has less torque than the 4.6 L.
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Yeah -- 3lb.ft less. :lol: And only 1000rpm higher.

BlazinXtreme
A RS4 cost how much more then a Mustang?
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An RS4 offers how many more doors, luxuries, and driveshafts than the Mustang?

Which one has a nicer interior, and an independent rear suspension with a nicer ride?

I'm not saying the RS4 is a better car overall -- they are both good at what they were built for, which is high-performance AWD luxury and cheap performance, respectively -- but with the RS4, you do get what you pay for. :)
 
You get what you pay for with the Mustang as well, raw power in a cheap package.
 
And I'd rather have a low-revving, but earth-moving sound than 1000rpm more to play with.

Oh, remember the price, too. You can get probably 2.5 Mustang GTs for price of RS4
 
As well as the fact that if your Mustang needs servicing, you can do it a Ford dealer, and it won't cost you an arm an a leg to have parts shipped air-freight from halfway around the globe.

The mechanics I know will complain to no end about how difficult it is to decode VAG's wiring schemes.

The RS4 is a rare "factory tuner" car while the Mustang will sell many thousands of copies. They are in a different ballpark.

Looking at the upcoming GT500 engine is a much fairer comparison to the RS4.
 
In any situation, you get what you pay for. Comparing the RS4 to the Mustang GT is like comparing an apple to a handgrenade. They just arent comparible in any way, and I doubt that someone looking at either one would ever consider the other for purchase.

Again, comparing the two engines is just as illogical. Both were created for different purposes, and thus the two differ greatly. The RS4's V8 is tuned more specifically for high-performance driving, much in the vein of European performance. High revs, more high end power, and an exhaust note to make your insides melt. On the opposite side, the Mustang GT's 4.6L V8 was created to serve many different purposes in many different situations. It can be found in full-size police cars, pickup trucks, vans, etc. It is meant to be built cheaply, work without problems, and offer a good ammount of power and performance at the same time.

It can be argued either way as to which is better. High performance, or adaptable and cheap performance. Neither side will agree, and neither will see eye to eye. European engine designers will always toss American ideas to the side, as will the Americans to the Europeans. As I have mentioned before in other threads, it is a difference in environment that seperates us, and we are both too stuborn to change for either one.

My opinion: I prefer the American way of doing things. We accomplish the same tasks with engines that are less complicated, cheaper to produce and to operate, and overall do a better job at multi-tasking than some of their European competition. Look at the Chevrolet (or GM) small-block V8, offered up in atleast eight different variations in a wide range of GM vehicles across the world. Going as small as 4.8L (285HP, 290lb-ft), and as large as 8.1L (325HP, 447lb-ft), the platform multi-tasks for a pretty cheap price when compared to Audi's 4.2L unit, or BMW's 5.0L unit.
 
Back to the original topic, there is NOTHING impressive about what Germans can do when they get ahold of a Vette.

From what I saw in the new Road and Track, Lingenfelter offers a 750HP C6 Vette. That's what Americans do when they get ahold of a Vette. Now that is something impressive. Forget 25 grand for something that's probably as fast as the stock Z06.
 
The looks we updated, and thats cool in all. But the performance didnt increase all that much, so there really isnt any need for the modifications.

Compare that to the new Lingenfelter packages:
- 427 CID LS7: 616HP: $5,495
- 427 CID LS7 Twin-Turbo: 800HP: $45,995
 
Thats sick!!! I dont even mind the rims. They would look better with a black center and polished lip but still not bad at all. That Vette looks sooo tough!! :dopey:
 
YSSMAN
My opinion: I prefer the American way of doing things. We accomplish the same tasks with engines that are less complicated, cheaper to produce and to operate, and overall do a better job at multi-tasking than some of their European competition. Look at the Chevrolet (or GM) small-block V8, offered up in atleast eight different variations in a wide range of GM vehicles across the world. Going as small as 4.8L (285HP, 290lb-ft), and as large as 8.1L (325HP, 447lb-ft), the platform multi-tasks for a pretty cheap price when compared to Audi's 4.2L unit, or BMW's 5.0L unit.
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I think American + European = amazing combination. For example . . . Ariel Atom? Ok, maybe not the best example. But another car that has a small block v8 is the new Marcos TSO. English styling & chasis + american power, what a combination.
 
I agree STL, when we work together things do turn out well. There are plenty of cars from Europe than when combined with American power, turn out wonderfully well. The TS0 is probably one of the best examples, as well as the 'Egg which uses a modified Ford 4.6L V8. Classic examples are undoubtedly the old Sunbeam Tiger, and the Ford GT40 which combined European design with good-ol'-boy NASCAR power.

The Atom only comes with American power when it is sold in the States if I'm not mistaken. If I remember correctly, it uses the same 2.2L S/C I4 from the Cobalt SS and Saturn Ion Redline. I hope that switch that out for the new 2.0L Direct-Injection I4 from the Solstice GXP. The extra 55HP will be great to have in such a small car, but then again, I suppose you could just spend a few bucks and modify the 2.2 S/C...
 
The Cobalt SS has a 2.0L supercharged engine, but the Atom team managed to boost it's power quite a bit I believe.
 

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