So This Is Where ??

[Chikane_GTR]

The idea for the red bull X1 come from take a look ??
Falken

Red Bull X1

What do you think

 

[GT Motion]

I think both engineers just found that those are the best aerodynamics.

 

[blue_thunder]

I've always thought it was stolen from the design of the Caparo T1:

 

[IceMan PJN]

This isn't the first time I've seen folks connect the dots between the Caparo T1 and the X2010. Actually, I've seen people mistakenly believe the Caparo T1 ripped of the X2010, but the T1 came along first.

The thing about the similarities betwixt the two likely isn't that the X2010 borrowed from the Caparo T1 but rather it seems likely to me that this configuration is simply the most efficient design we (humanity in general) have been able to come up with based on our current understanding of aerodynamics. The car needs to balance aerodynamic efficiency with several other factors unrelated to aerodynamics, and this form is probably the most efficient compromise that we can come up with at this time. Different designers could then independently come to very similar results like this.

I don't see parallels between the X2010 and the Falken, though. Yes, both planes and race cars rely heavily on aerodynamics, but otherwise they're entirely different and function entirely differently. To suppose that an aircraft was any sort of inspiration for a race car would be like proposing that a fighter jet was somehow inspired by a boat or that a boat was inspired by a car. They're just too dissimilar and unrelated.

 

[Firehuntah]

Yeah the design is clearly from the Caparo T1. Can't blame them for choosing it though, it does seem the best for airflow. All they did to it was add a fan on the bottom/back.

 

[cicohipe]

This isn't the first time I've seen folks connect the dots between the Caparo T1 and the X2010. Actually, I've seen people mistakenly believe the Caparo T1 ripped of the X2010, but the T1 came along first.

The thing about the similarities betwixt the two likely isn't that the X2010 borrowed from the Caparo T1 but rather it seems likely to me that this configuration is simply the most efficient design we (humanity in general) have been able to come up with based on our current understanding of aerodynamics. The car needs to balance aerodynamic efficiency with several other factors unrelated to aerodynamics, and this form is probably the most efficient compromise that we can come up with at this time. Different designers could then independently come to very similar results like this.

I don't see parallels between the X2010 and the Falken, though. Yes, both planes and race cars rely heavily on aerodynamics, but otherwise they're entirely different and function entirely differently. To suppose that an aircraft was any sort of inspiration for a race car would be like proposing that a fighter jet was somehow inspired by a boat or that a boat was inspired by a car. They're just too dissimilar and unrelated.

👍 Close thread.

 

[GT Motion]

This isn't the first time I've seen folks connect the dots between the Caparo T1 and the X2010. Actually, I've seen people mistakenly believe the Caparo T1 ripped of the X2010, but the T1 came along first.

The thing about the similarities betwixt the two likely isn't that the X2010 borrowed from the Caparo T1 but rather it seems likely to me that this configuration is simply the most efficient design we (humanity in general) have been able to come up with based on our current understanding of aerodynamics. The car needs to balance aerodynamic efficiency with several other factors unrelated to aerodynamics, and this form is probably the most efficient compromise that we can come up with at this time. Different designers could then independently come to very similar results like this.

Exactly what I was trying to say in my first reply, there is only one way to make the best aerodynamics so they are all going to end up looking the same.

 

[Highlandor]

Yeah, I agreed with this and started writing a reply that backed this theory up as it seemed not only logical, but also to have been proven in other area's, for instance fighter aircraft over the years - how many times have we seen similair looking aircraft from different countries at roughly the same time.

Then I had a thought, land speed record cars, like Thrust and Thrust II, I'm sure there was an American guy (I think he was called Gary Newlove, but that's a real stab in the dark at remembering his name) who rivalled the British bid for the record and his design was a bit different to the British design.

His design, literally looked like a fighter plane on wheels, whereas Thrust II looked more like an actual car, well when I say car, more like an enormous jet engine bolted onto 4 wheels with a body on top.

Does anyone else remember these cars, are these an exception because they are pushing boundaries to the absolute extreme and the aerodynamic forces they face are significantly different to what the Caparro and Redbull would encounter i.e. land speed record cars of this nature create a shockwave infront of them, whereas the Caparro and Redbull wouldn't be fast enough to create that shockwave..??

 

[Falango]

Sorry Chikane, not even close. That plane has no curved surfaces to it at all, it's all really hard edges. The T1 is the obvious inspiration behind the X2010. The body is 100% inspired from it. I don't see any relevance to that plane.

 

[davidxj123]

All we need now is to attach a laser cannon to the X1 and it'll be exactly like the Falken!

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Sorry Chikane, not even close. That plane has no curved surfaces to it at all, it's all really hard edges. The T1 is the obvious inspiration behind the X2010. The body is 100% inspired from it. I don't see any relevance to that plane.

Yes you are right my fault sorry

 

[F1Addict]

Yeah the design is clearly from the Caparo T1. Can't blame them for choosing it though, it does seem the best for airflow. All they did to it was add a fan on the bottom/back.

I'm pretty sure that Adrian Newey did more than add a fan(s). Being the genius that he is he must've done some other changes to the airflow etc.

 

[fusionedd]

Wow, never thought the T1 would look so much more similar. Never thought of that.

The plane reminds me of Macross.

 

[Samus]

They didn't "copy" the T1 or choose it for design inspiration, the engineers at Red Bull know exactly how to design an aerodynamic car. T1 or no T1, the X2010 would have looked pretty much the same.

If you break the design down it's basically just an F1 car with covered wheels, and anyone knows that the uncovered wheels in F1 are one of the biggest drag factors and spoilers of the air, so it's common sense the first thing to do is cover them. Then again the canopy over the cockpit is an obvious aero aid.

Beyond that, it's not massively different from a current F1 car visually/design wise.

 

[niky]

Ditto all that. Saying the X1 is copied from the Caparo is like saying the RBR F1 car is a McLaren clone.

They're both logical extensions of the basic F1 shape modified for road use. They're pure F1, with the addition of fenders and a canopy.

There are more than enough differences in the general shape so that you can tell them apart. Much like a Ferrari F599 and an Aston Martin Vanquish.

And honestly, the difference is of the same order. Actually, less. The similarities are only more obvious with the T1 and X2010 because they're the only two closed F1s most of you have seen.