So you all think GM cars suck on the track...

[Jedi2016]

Going back to the original topic, if I may, since I think it's a rather silly one...

How many of those 16 championships were American championships using only American cars?

And what happens to GM cars in races when they're put up against NON-American cars? i.e. Japanese and European cars?

 

[Joey D]

And what happens to GM cars in races when they're put up against NON-American cars? i.e. Japanese and European cars?

They still win, alla Le Mans, GT Series, and if you have to drifting.

 

[Poverty]

And what happens to GM cars in races when they're put up against NON-American cars? i.e. Japanese and European cars?

In percentile terms they have a 25% success rate. Thanks to Lemans and GT however they dont race enough abroad to really have fullproof statistics.

 

[Joey D]

Well you have to consider Opel, Vauxhaul, Holden, and all those other GM brands out there. I have no idea how well Holden does in the Austrailian series.

 

[Max_DC]

Well you have to consider Opel, Vauxhaul, Holden, and all those other GM brands out there. I have no idea how well Holden does in the Austrailian series.

Opel is German. Developed and manufactured in Germany. While they might belong to GM on paper, they have nothing in common with the American cars of GM. GM also owned 20% of Fuji Heavy Ind. ... so did GM win 20% of the WRC championchip in 2001 ? nope...

We discussed that in another thread along with Famine and others... complex problem

 

[YSSMAN]

To old people (the ones that buy the cars) if the car has over 170hp its a sports car.

So when the old folks buy a Buick LaCrosse CXS with 240HP, they just bought a sports car?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

So when the old folks buy a Buick LaCrosse CXS with 240HP, they just bought a sports car?

Not likely! That would also make alot of modern cars sportscars... Would you call the Audi A6 Avant a sportscar? Noone would, no matter their age!

 

[Driftster]

Well, not necessarily, although that might be true for the classic sports car. Audi RS4, Subaru Impreza WRX STI, Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO, M3,, Nissan Skyline GT-R, Porsche 911 ... all 4 or 2+2 seats

Audi/M3 = Luxury Sport
STi Evo = Exception

The rest...Like the mustang...2+2...2 extra seats just for the sake of saying it seats 4, when in actuallity it's darn close to immoral to put someone in the back if the front passengers are over 6'0

 

[Jay]

I have no idea how well Holden does in the Austrailian series.

Quite well indeed, recently hasnt been the best but still good.

but considering our V8 Supercars is a lame two make race now because they banned everything else its not that hard for Holden to rack up wins.

 

[Wolfe]

Opel is German. Developed and manufactured in Germany. While they might belong to GM on paper, they have nothing in common with the American cars of GM.

Actually, Opel does have something in common with the american cars of GM, as in, many of them are based on Opels -- for example, the Cobalt is heavily Opel-based. Even its styling is a little Opel-esque.

@Definition of a sportscar: The Audi RS4, Subaru Impreza WRX STI, Mitsubishi Evolution, M3, and Nissan Skyline GT-R aren't sportscars. They're sports sedans. It may seem trivial, but if you want to talk about true definitions, it really isn't.

The original definition of a sportscar was a 2-door, 2-seat, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, open-top car with spirited handling. A powerful engine was a plus, but not a necessity.

The meaning has changed over the years, and as I understand it, "sportscar" is now defined as a car with 2 doors, rear-wheel-drive, excellent handling (not always numbers, but also the ease with which corners can be tackled), and more of an emphasis on performance than practicality. The Miata is a sportscar. The Skyline GT-R is not (it may have 2 doors but the chassis is available with 4 and the car has a decidedly different shape than a coupe like the 911). The 911 is a sportscar. Aston Martins are not (they're grand tourers, more at home cruising on the highway than carving down a mountain road). The Corvette is a sportscar. The Mustang is not (the Mustang has always been more about straight-line performance than cornering, but the newest one challenges that tradition).

It's silly, but as far as I know, that's the way it goes.