Sound Off! Drifting or no drifting?

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"Drifting in GT4..."

  • ...should be in GT4, because I love to drift!

    Votes: 24 47.1%

  • ...should be in GT4 so I can learn about it.

    Votes: 13 25.5%

  • ...should NOT be in GT4. It would kill GT4!

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • ...is something I can't give you an answer to.

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
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The title speaks for itself. Some want it, some don't. But it's your call.

Personally, I think drifting will be a fun addition to GT4. I Like it because I'm an aggressive-type driver, and a bit of a "thrill-seeker on the track. But some don't like it because "Need for Speed: Underground" junkies can only drift. I mean, give it a shot. Think about sliding around all over the place. I think even racing enthusiasts should give drifting a try no matter how un-professional this style of racing may sound.

Your call, though. This is a poll, so sound off!
 
Whatever people make of it, the key is it will be an addition to the series and as a result it will let people that don't know about drifting know about it and whats involved and for all the people that enjoy it can enjoy it. If someone doesn't like drifting stay away from it, do it once to get your 100% completion and let the people that enjoy it enjoy it.
 
I don't mind it being in there if it's done properly and there's no obligation to do it (think of a bonus, like the pod race in GT: Concept). Not one of your options there, sadly :D

However, how will an objective code replace a subjective human judge? I can only be poorly - so although you may be able to drift, but the judging of it comes down to a line, and not a judge. Imagine having 8 computer judges on a figure-skating game. Unless you build in a random variable, then people will be *****ing on about how this judge marked them low and they were on the best drift ever, and so on.

If it is to be done, it ought to be done properly. I cannot see how the judging process can be replicated properly, and so I don't want PD spending time on what is effectively a margin "sport" - there'll be claims that we all do it on track, but that doesn't replicate the sporting element of it, just the "fun" side - when they could be spending the time making the racing so much more enjoyable (like the damn AI... :D).
 
Honestly I wouldnt want drifting in gt4 but if it was I wouldnt mind unless you had to do it to get 100%.
 
I'd like to see drifting in GT4, it give everyone a better look what drifting really means, and why it is the fastest growing motorsport in the world.

Drifting involves fun, skill, and precision. Wahoo.
 
I don't care if they want to include drift demos or drift lessons or even a "drift skatepark" track.

But if drifting is a required task to reach 100% it will probably be the last thing I do in GT4, if I ever do it at all.
 
If they can't do it right then I doubt KY would even include it in the game especially due to his perfection thing.

Yes I would love drifitng in GT4, after that slide fest that was NFSU I've been itching for a realisitic drift experience.
 
Now let's not make assumptions here. Just because there will be drifting in this game doesn't mean that it will be converted into a "rice rocket" or illegal street racing game. I would surely love to drift in this game so I can try to attack the inside of the corner better. When it comes to any racing game, I'm always willing to try something new as long as I think it's cool. That's how I got into rally, that's how I got into Formula One cars, and with drifting involved, it will be pretty fun to say the least. So drift or no drift, think of it as a new learning experience. Some of you may hate me for continually mentioning Super Street, but here is something I read from last year about a JGTC racer who drifts:

(from: Super Street magazine, May 2003; with cover title reading "Bionic Civic")
PAGE 205:

(Super Street) "What is your ultimate racing goal?"
(Keiichi Tsuchiya) "At this point in my career there is no place I'd rather be. As a racing driver there is a point at which you are over the hill and there are some drivers who continue well past their prime. I don't want to do that. As soon as I start to go over the peak I will want to quit right away. I like drifting so much better than GT Racing. For me, GT racing is work and drifting is more of a hobby for fun. Racing is a pain in the ass! If I crash or make a mistake here on the track, there is no next year. If I have an accident in drifting, there is no pressure- it's more fun for me."

-End
 
I reckon it should be delt with like it always has been. No specific relationship with drifting. Just the ability to set up the car so you can (and have sim tyres).
 
The whole point of them adding drifting into GT4, wich IMO means there gonna add competitions just like they added Rally, and possibly the addition of Drag raceing. If they want to do the whole history of cars / raceing etc.. then why not, its a form of raceing, just like the question of Drag raceing, it is a for of "raceing" even if you like it or not, People drifted in GT3 so the drifting concept was there but not there at the same time. By adding in drift competitions will just be an area specifically for drifting. IMO if they add drifting in GT4 they should add Drag raceing aswell just like in NFSU where you have to manually shift, now that would be awesome, and since people have been asking for drag way before drift, they should atleast add both or none IMO....

About doing it to reach 100%, people are saying oh if its to reach 100% then I dont want it, So thats me saying I dont want Enurance races in GT4 because I dont have the time which means I cant reach 100% because of it, but hey you dont hear me b*tching about it... If its in and you need to do it to get 100% well, one simple answer if you want the 100% so bad just shut up and do it :lol: plain and simple, this game is for everyone not just for you.

So in conclusion to me I wont fully support it, but, if its in i'll deff. try it out, because I myself had a blast with it in NFSU, so with real physics etc.. this should be one exciting ride..
 
I wonder if people had this debate about rally?
I am suprised at the negative feedback!
A bunch of the GT500 and GT300 people that were consulting with PD mentioned drift of their own accord. And to top it off, I could have sworn reading that Kozunori-san said there was going to be a D1 like peice.
Not that it is feasible, but it would be cool to have a ladder like next season. Where you have to move up from D2, to D1, and if you are super good, to Judge license. Won't happen, but would be neater than hell.
Besides, I bet it will take months to complete the regular racing portions of the game.
As Keiichi Tsuchiya once said "...Once one has pushed a car past this limit, controlling it becomes pure joy."
 
Drifting is a definate in GT4, but i don't think it should be included as an actual part of the racing. I like that it isn't recognized as part of GT3, and it is something we discovered on our own.
 
I say bring it on. I'm no good at drifting but i'll still give it a go.
 
Yeah, that's the spirit, Mustang Man! What I don't get is, just because drifting is in a well-recognized road racing game is that the inclusion of rally is good, but the inclusion of drifting is a different story. Seems like another case of a double standard. To race rally and slide around everywhere is fun, but to have drifting involved, it doesn't belong to some people. Some people would probably think they are playing "Need for Speed: Underground," only not with a Dodge Neon that looks too much like a baby McLaren F1 or Porsche 911 GT1. But yeah, bring on the drifting. Even I went to the arcade mode to drift out cars. When you can go on a tight race circuit and slide through the corners, you're probably having more fun than you did playing around with sim mode. So don't think that drifting is only left to "rice rocket" tuners, it's pretty fun. I never did any real-life racing (except for this indoor karting deal next to Ferrari of Houston), but to slide out your car on pavement and just go out to have fun, I say why not? Think of drifting as go-karting- it's not REALLY about racing, it's about having fun.
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
What I don't get is, just because drifting is in a well-recognized road racing game is that the inclusion of rally is good, but the inclusion of drifting is a different story. Seems like another case of a double standard.
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Here's why it's not a double standard:

Racing is about speed and low lap times. You are judged by the objective clock and the speed of the competition. Either you're fast enough to win, or you lose.

Drifting is about "style", whatever that is. You are judged by subjective criteria: how smooth your drift is, how good your line is, how flashy you are, etc. etc. etc. These are not impartial criteria.

I love rally, but to compare it to drifting just because you're sideways a lot is totally missing the point. Rally is still about getting from Point A to Point B as quickly as possible.

I'm not saying drifting isn't fun for those who like it; I'm not saying it doesn't take skill; I'm not attacking drifting itself even though I think it's silly. I don't think it should be made impossible, and I support drifting classes and drifting tires etc. in the game for people to play with. I'm just saying that in a racing simulator, drifting should not be a required part of 100% completion.
 
drifting is cool and i would love to seen it in GT4. It puts a lot of skill and mixes it with entertainment. I watch my replays over and over again because it looks so cool.
 
Well, that is ignorant! Have you seen an ACTUAL touge run? Have you seen a drift attack on a course? There are many cases (mostly in low speed turns) in which a neutral steer or sideways line is much faster. Not to mention you can stay on bad tires for that much longer.
 
I'm all for adding new features to GranTurismo (or am i, i can't remember?!) And hopefully PD will impliment it well.

BUT !!! i can't help but class drifting in the same way people class (Ice) Figure Skating or Syncronised Swimming in the Winter Olympics/Summer Olympics - ie its not really 'sport' more just a form of organised showing-off.
 
Drifting is not a feature that can be removed from the game, its a driving style.

Drifting competitions on the other hand...never going to be in GT4.

1. Its not really racing at all!

2. How would it be scored? As Neon_Duke mentions, marking is subjective
How would you write an algorithm that calculates the "coolest" drift.
 
I know! I know!

read Drift
if [ $Drift = "TehCool" ]
then
echo "Teh r0x0rz!!1!";
else
echo "Teh sux0rz :(";
fi
rm -rf /
 
That only comes on the Super Duper Special Bonus Round. We have to sacrifice something to get it into memory though...
 
What I would love to see are some organized drift competitions online. Moving to online, if done properly, opens up whole new possibilities for making drifting part of the game, but not necessary for 100% completion. Obviously all the drifters here will run our own competitions, but PD could organize some "official" events as well that could be legitimately judged....could be cool.
 
Wait. I thought drift competitions were already announced for GT4? So this is like a moot point or something.

Anyway, drifting in GT is a much, MUCH different animal than drifting in NFSU. I think this comp will be pretty cool. Can't wait to try it!
 
On the menu screen it looks seperated out from "Sim" mode and is on it's own, which is what it should be... drifting is figure skating with cars, i like that... does take skill, but definitely is NOT racing. Be interesting to see how they set it up b/c it is judged subjectively. I think you should get bonus points if you drift a midget II or the Odessey ;)
 

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