Sound Off! Drifting or no drifting?

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"Drifting in GT4..."

  • ...should be in GT4, because I love to drift!

    Votes: 24 47.1%

  • ...should be in GT4 so I can learn about it.

    Votes: 13 25.5%

  • ...should NOT be in GT4. It would kill GT4!

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • ...is something I can't give you an answer to.

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
NFS Underground had a pretty good scoring algorithm for drifting, and if GT4 used something like it, then it would be fine. Not that it should use Underground as an example for anything though...

In any case, I'd probably give drifting a go at one time or another, and I could probably deal with it if it was required for 100% completion and they had a special "drift license" that also taught you how to drift tune...

But yeah, a lot of people thing dirt races don't even belong in GT...So I figure it's only fair to drift fans to put in drift racing.
 
but at least dirt races are races... drifting is a style and automobile control contest... it's not to see who's the fastest around the course, it's who's the "prettiest".
 
a little drift on a free ride is ok for me. having to do drift comp´s to get to 100% = NO !!!
it´s a racing game for "_____" sake !!
 
I would love to see drift cars but not competitions (maybe).
You don't need much skill for drifting , just have control over your when
it's sliding in a curve. In racing , you need even more ;)
 
I actually don't think the system used in NFS:U is very good because the main thing they look at is how long you hold the slide. You can look like an ass, taking the ugliest lines and slowing down almost to a halt from going completely sideways, but still earn tons of points.
 
I've never been into drifting, but I can say that for quite a few things that I now enjoy. With the inclusion of the Photo Mode, I think a drift aspect would make for some stunningly beautiful pictures. Automotive enthusiasm, after all, is about the love and appreciation of the vehciles, whether they are in motion or not. I find the sight of a car flowing smoothly around a corner in a drift at the hands of a skilled driver to be a work or art.

Now, should there be a competition for drifting? That's a different story. I, for one, would enjoy it simply because I have a love for any type of automotive challenge. HOWEVER, I would be very upset to see the inclusion of such a new, rather unofficial, "fadish" type of racing to be installed BEFORE/WITHOUT/INSTEAD of a drag racing event as well. There's a much larger following, and a much longer history.
 
Tacet_Blue
Drifting is not a feature that can be removed from the game, its a driving style.

Drifting competitions on the other hand...never going to be in GT4.

1. Its not really racing at all!

2. How would it be scored? As Neon_Duke mentions, marking is subjective
How would you write an algorithm that calculates the "coolest" drift.
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Are you sure there won't be any drifting competitions in GT4, because it's been common knowledge for quite some time that there will be drifting competitions in GT4. As for the scoring, KY said it will be like the D1GP which is a professional drift competition.
 
Lethalchem
the inclusion of such a new, rather unofficial, "fadish" type of racing to be installed
I have to say that a form of motorsport doesn't get more official than when it gets an official sanctioned event, and there are sanctioned drifting competitions, the one in GT4 will be based on the D1GP.
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live4speed
Lethalchem
the inclusion of such a new, rather unofficial, "fadish" type of racing to be installed
I have to say that a form of motorsport doesn't get more official than when it gets an official sanctioned event, and there are sanctioned drifting competitions, the one in GT4 will be based on the D1GP.
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I disagree. There are events like "Hill climbs" on bikes and in cars, there is the lame monster truck competitions, swamp buggy races..etc that all have backing and are legitimate events, but I wouldn't call them globally accepted, nor would I rank them up as equals with many of the more widely accepted forms of racing. Does it mean they arn't motorsports? Of course not. Which is why used the term "rather unofficial". Perhaps that is a poor choice of words, but I just don't see it as an equivolent. It's like comparing dodgeball to rugby/football/baseball etc. :sly:
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live4speed
it's been common knowledge for quite some time that there will be drifting competitions in GT4. As for the scoring, KY said it will be like the D1GP which is a professional drift competition.
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I must have just been hoping then :dunce:
 
They are apparently confirmed as being present, hooray. I can sympathise that seeing people drift cars spectacularly through corners is something to behold, but I'd rather it be left to online mdoe for people to get together and do it, particularly of spectator mode is present, but seriously, just set up a server with 50 laps or something, each person picks a corner and one person goes around at a time and everyone else just watches their piece of track before giving it a go themselves, that actually sounds fun to me... Maybe this whole Drift thing is growing on me as I accept it'll happen...
 
Out of curiousity... Can someone lay down the basic premise of drifting competitions?

How is it scored?

Is it anything to do with time?

Is there one car on the circuit at one time?

Etc?

C.
 
Taken fron D1GP.com http://www.d1gp.com/about_drift.html
which is what GT4's drift mode is meant to be based on.

Because professional drifting events are judged on execution and style, it is mandatory that the judges are intimately familiar with the capabilities of the cars and the advanced driving techniques employed by the competitors. D1 Grand Prix judges are usually former professional drifters.

These expert D1 judges evaluate speed, angle of attack and vehicle control. All drivers make solo runs before "Best 16" head-up eliminations start. The competitors who make it to the Best 16 run door handle-to-door handle, going against one other car on the circuit at the same time. As fun as the solo runs are, these drift showdowns really ignite the crowd and brings the crowds to their feet.

Factors like slowing to the point of hindering the other driver, running into another car or spinning out mean an automatic loss of the run. To advance to the next round, drivers use tactics such as putting pressure on an opponent through a more aggressive drift angle, carrying a higher speed through a corner, and showing good strategy. Judges are thoroughly familiar with the capabilities of each competitor's car and if the driver is not pushing the car to the limit, they will be eliminated from the round.
 
Its still not really a 'sport' though is it - anything that has to be judged to get a result is always going to be subjective rather than conclusive. Drifting is still 'dancing' on 4 wheels!
 
If GT4 requires good drifting skills to get 100% then I'll either

A)Not get 100%
B)Not get GT4

I think we all know the answer to this one.
 
heero 12
If GT4 requires good drifting skills to get 100% then I'll either

A)Not get 100%
B)Not get GT4

I think we all know the answer to this one.
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:dopey: .......you mean your not going to buy GT4!
 
I'm sure someone else will say this if I don't - in the event that an opponent is not knocked out, technically or normally, boxing matches are decided by judges and a points decision (as I understand it from news reports, I loathe boxing). You'd be hard pressed to call boxing anything but an official sport.
 
Yes, i had boxing in mind when i posted the above, but since the judging is only used as a result when the 'bout' has managed to go full distance, its only half true i suppose.
 
heero 12
If GT4 requires good drifting skills to get 100% then I'll either

A)Not get 100%
B)Not get GT4

I think we all know the answer to this one.
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Right? :dopey:
I either get 100% then only 90% just beacuse I can't drift very well.
Then I will practice until my skills are much better and get 100% later ;)
 
But in drifting, the judges are only used if the run is completed, if one of them loses during the run there is no need for a judges desicion.
 
live4speed
But in drifting, the judges are only used if the run is completed, if one of them loses during the run there is no need for a judges desicion.
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Yes, but the winner still has to be judged.
 
Ok I'm ready to accept drifting competitions will be in GT4.

But we can still speculate about the structure of them ;)

I am still hoping that they will be in the form of a license test, where you have to complete a specific task to pass. Like a J turn in a specified area, or a controlled drift between a set of cones. There is some footage on the "Making Of" video that looks a little like a drifting test. There is a guy doing a nifty 360 with his nose pointed at a traffic cone, and a lot of wheel spinning going on past cones.
(maybe they are just playing around, but they do build the slalom course and braking test, KY loses it on the slalom in the Evo VIII, I knew that car was a dog!)

A full blown freestyle type drifting comp, where you compete against AI for 1st 2nd or 3rd, please no :yuck:

The AI would be awful , or maybe developing AI Freestylers is whats pushing back the release date :D
Online it would come into its own, you could show off to your mates, to your hearts content, after all, showing off to AI competitors is so not the same.
Judging could be done by the other online drivers, and you'd get an average of their scores.
 
I wonder what combo of buttons you will have to push to get your driver to perform crazy d0rift0 antics such as hanging out the window, waving to the crowd, or dance around spouting giberish while crazy OPTION2 animations fly around.
 
Or maybe a co-op play...

One of you drives...

The other leans out the window and does stupid things?! Or is that just my mates?!

C.
 
Sadly it isn't, which is why I have a policy about intoxicated people and cars - they don't mix. Upholstery and vomit does, which is another reason to keep them the hell out.

I think I suggested a while back co-op mode should make use of a lightgun and you shoot out your opponents tyres whilst your partner drives. Now that'd be cool, working together to dodge and fire. The final boss would be someone who doesn't bother driving but instead has a skilled sniper who takes you out as you get away, thus you have to drive fast and dodge well.

I should start a new thread! :D

I think I'm changing my tune, drifting really won't bother me, so come what may.
 
Tacet_Blue
Ok I'm ready to accept drifting competitions will be in GT4.

But we can still speculate about the structure of them ;)
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Even thats bee said, KY said he wan't it to be like the D1GP, as I posted up above. Were all out of speculating.
 

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