Speed Drifting.....

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hey has anyone ever thought to use drifting for speed other than just trying to go side ways. I was wondering this because what i see only is like exhibition drifting. i know that i wont win on the internet competitions because i believe that it is base on exhibition, but i am very sure that if there are tournaments or events were some had to race with speed ill never fail. those videos you see of my drifts, i dont think you guys are paying attention to the line that i am taking other than it is a drift that has hardly any angle and you think it sucks. it may suck to you but it is not slow so i dont care. there are three guys on here who have experience it cause they have actually race a 1 on 1 battle with me. so you can ask them. those guys are night_drifter, swift_chaser and darken drifter. dont be affended by what i write though cause im just trying to let you know how important speed drifting will be thats all and i can help if u ask, it may take a while but i will try to get back to you when i can. well that all. ill give you guys some hints on going beyond grip..........................


-first of all you must learn how to grip drive. you must also learn how to corner the turn correctly, that is the out in out technique. the perfect car to practice with is an FF. The ITR is a great car for this. tune everything on the ITR and leave the motor stock, practice cornering till you can do it without having to think about it. than try to beat the ameture league japanese cup and NA cup easily with the ITR with the stock motor. you must use cornering as your weapon only.

-you must learn how to down shift correctly. the needle should never hit the fuel cut of when down shifting. you can do this by doing your downshifting in this order, Brake and Downshift let it coast. you must do it at the same time,it also depends on the situation. late you must hold brakes and dowm shift. but if early take you time.

-than comes drifting. on high speed corners you can rush in than use the brake down shift to initiate the drift into the corner. you can also do the same for hair pins. you should only use one gear thourgh the corners. never shift in a corner. here is a theory for drifting.
-more gas will make the car pull out of the corner.
-less or no gas will make the car pull it self in. throttle control is very important.

when you speed drift eleminate the fient motion as much as you can and also if you e-brake, eliminate that completely. you must only use e-brake to recover from drifts that you pull too early. ebrake is like a power over. it will cause the car to pull out of the corner.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........well got any questions ask. ill only be able to reply until jan. 2nd oh and if you want settings ask. i have D1 style and speed drifting and racing set ups.

laters
 
Alot of people drift for speed. :odd: But when its based on exibition, you should do exibition. Its better to be a well rounded drifter, rather than a biased one ;) .
 
ahh yes...high speed drifting, never looked upon as something that fancy on this board.
i for one have mastered the high speed drift just as you have, hence i barely ever countersteer.
my drift lines (dont mean to brag) are quite perfect, i set the car up and all i have to do is hit the gas. sure theres mostly no smoke in my drifts but im not using the steering at all.
i also agree that downshifting MUST be mastered, and it is key to good setup..
i personally like to initiate drift a bit before the corner, slide while coasting, and in neutral downshifting, then full throttle no-countersteer and maintain grip just after the apex. i can enter the large turn at the end of the huge straight on trial mountain going up to 160mph and barely using the brakes at all!

ive been looking for someone to compare my drift lap times to, perhaps we can set something up....
 
I don't see the point of "speed drifting." Grip driving is faster and exhibition drifting looks cooler, so why bother?


-Mark
 
Originally posted by Ethix101
I don't see the point of "speed drifting." Grip driving is faster and exhibition drifting looks cooler, so why bother?


-Mark
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try beating amateur level FR challenge with a 185hp AE86 and ull see why.
 
Hey Akina_86, if you hear that last message i posted, humm i got two videos recorded it and i cant record other videos for you, i might have to do it somewhere or when i have time to go to my cousins house, because stupid computer crash on me and now all i have is nothing left and cant come online no more, im at my cousin's house right now but im going off now, thats why im not on anymore goshh its boring without the computer, well good luck to all of you guys.
 
Yo F.Zama what is your fastest time on trial mountain.
very interesting that someone is into speed drifting also. exhibition is alright and i can do it perfectly but when i do i get the feeling that it is hella slow and i cant stand it. sorry, i dont mean to affend anyone. but i want to improve. the only thing i can think of is to go faster.

oh F.zama my fastest time on trial mountain is 1:19.2 with my S.S. that is without cheating by using rails and cutting through that grass part at the end. all i used was the extremely fast cornering and rumble strip technique...... and speed drift for the low speed corners. no smoke but who cares its all about speed.............
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki
try beating amateur level FR challenge with a 185hp AE86 and ull see why.
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What does that have to do with "speed drifting?" You'd still be faster grip driving.


-Mark
 
akina, my fastest trial mountain time with my S.S. is about 1:21 ish...but i dont cut through the grass lol....
im heading out just now, but if ur online tommorrow or perhaps the day after we can maybe set up something fresh, see how we fare against eachother....id like to setup some sort of drift time trial comp.

ethix, the fact is if one can beat AMA FR challenge in a 185hp AE86 using high speed drift techniques....imagine how fast one can clear the track in a generously powered vehicle....it just proves that using the correct drift line through a corner defeats ANY grip technique by far if performed correctly.
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki

ethix, the fact is if one can beat AMA FR challenge in a 185hp AE86 using high speed drift techniques....imagine how fast one can clear the track in a generously powered vehicle....it just proves that using the correct drift line through a corner defeats ANY grip technique by far if performed correctly.
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No it doesn't. All it means is that you can beat the AI. The fact is that using the same car, with the same horsepower, on the same track (road track), a grip driver will be faster.
EDIT: Assuming they both have equal or near equal skill levels.


-Mark
 
Originally posted by Ethix101
No it doesn't. All it means is that you can beat the AI. The fact is that using the same car, with the same horsepower, on the same track (road track), a grip driver will be faster.
EDIT: Assuming they both have equal or near equal skill levels.


-Mark
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Agreed. :cool:
 
well in this world there will always be non-believers but i think drifting is one of the fastest ways. the most important thing about drifting is that when you drift it releases stress if you know what i mean. when you grip you have to focus so hard not to let the rear slip cause it will throw you off you exit line. but if you drift all it take is slight throttle control, that is if you have perfected set ups.
when i use my trueno ss all i do is force the rear to slide than use the throttle to trace the line around the turn, that way i make no errors. also i use super soft slicks too. so it is very hard to weight shift, also there is great amounts of understeer but when you speed drift you want understeer.

when there is understeer, you gotta have guts to push your car and believe it will turn and trust me if you got your own set up it will. you must know your own set up.
 
From what I've gathered (please correct me respectfully if I'm mistaken), drift driving is only faster when the car's suspension is no longer able to turn the car properly for the corner... which is why you end up with a drift angle.

As for drifting faster... when you drift faster, it becomes harder to maintain your desired line, IMO. There is also less use of power over to initiate the drift as weight transfer is more important. Drifting fast is just one other possible way to further understand your car's limits and improve.

However, in the long run, grip driving will always beat drift driving due to the immense stress drifting places on the car and tire wear. Also, because of modern suspension designs, there is really no need to drift if you are going for speed.

And if exhibition isn't your thing, why not go for it? But I do agree with XzifT: a well-rounded drifter is better than a biased one. If you are going for speed, why not also go for technique, settings, etc.? Then again, these are probably all inter-related for that purpose. :)
 
of course i already have the technique and set up i need to be fast. and yea of course it you running an endurance battle grip is the way to go but some who learns both will be invincable. that is why i put step one to first learn how to grip and corner before you drift. get it. drifting is supposely the advance part. many people tend to skip the grip cornering step. i guess drift sometime gets out of hand. but think of drift as a recovery for your mistakes.

so mistake you entry with a slide and grip the exit and it will be fast. combination is the fastest. grip drift.
 
Originally posted by akina_86
i think drifting is one of the fastest ways.
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You're right, it's the second fastest ;)

Originally posted by precisionlocke`
As for drifting faster... when you drift faster, it becomes harder to maintain your desired line, IMO.
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The opposite is true, drifting faster forces you onto the correct line. Drifting slow, you can take whatever line pleases you. This is why I always try to drift as fast as possible for the type of drifting I am doing. Even in exhibition competitions I usually follow race form, just with lots more oversteer.
 
I've been speed drifting before exhibition drifitng... and found it to be major adjustment from one to the other... Speed drifting is one of my fav techniques - it's all about reflex baby!! You have to think and react fast knowing that you can't afford to make a mistake (even a slight one)while taking a corner at such a high speed... very thrilling!!:D
 
I've always fallen on the grip side of the equation. But lately, I've been tuning my cars with tauter suspension, and slicker tires (for longevity) and I've noted that with proper technique, a slight drift will line you up well for the straightaways, and may save a little time.
Now as for the extreme drifts I've seen in some of the videos, they look awesome, but for the most part, not the fastest way around the track.
 
uhh u guys aso have to factor in the type of corner were taking here.....a narrow road on a long-sharp bend would make the apex very long, and not much room for wide entry into the apext, so you wouldnt really be "cutting" the corner at all, so youd have to slow down to get to the apex then as you accelerate the narrowness of the road would force you to maintain a certain speed before your exit.

however if you drift in the same corner then youd be railing the whole thing at one constant speed.....so overall it depends on the situation youre in....think grip racing with a little bit of drift thrown in on some parts of the track to minimize braking.
 
Originally posted by F.Zamataki
uhh u guys aso have to factor in the type of corner were taking here.....a narrow road on a long-sharp bend would make the apex very long, and not much room for wide entry into the apext, so you wouldnt really be "cutting" the corner at all, so youd have to slow down to get to the apex then as you accelerate the narrowness of the road would force you to maintain a certain speed before your exit.

however if you drift in the same corner then youd be railing the whole thing at one constant speed.....so overall it depends on the situation youre in....think grip racing with a little bit of drift thrown in on some parts of the track to minimize braking.
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I don't see what you're trying to say. If you were drifting that same narrow corner, you'd have to slow down before the turn or you'd be going too fast and you'd hit the wall. Also, in a narrow turn like that, even though you have a more constant speed through the turn, your average speed would still be slower than a grip line.
I have to go. I'll try to explain what I'm saying in more detail later.


-Mark
 
another great technique for mastering fast lap times is the gutter run or should i say the rumble strip technique. when you use the rumble tech try not to drift or it will throw you into oversteer. i can let you see this with a video i did but my 86 is much much faster now....this a very old video. my set up are far more advance now....

you may have seen it already. the technique i use was to rush in as fast as posible than let the grip take the exit. also trace to apex before i exit this is how i usually overtake night drifters 22B....

here you go......

https://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/photos/gt3_video/Trial_Mountian_Fastest_Lap.wmv
 
Originally posted by akina_86
another great technique for mastering fast lap times is the gutter run or should i say the rumble strip technique.
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I thought it was supposed to be drifting, not jumping over the grass and curbs...
 
it is very hard to take those lines and you should never over use the dift technique....

those line you must turn hard and hope the car would not hit the inside plus that was an old video my new time is 1:19.19X

i rearly jump the corners i always keep at least 2 wheel on the road or rumble strip area just like in the license.

It is really fun though taking down 1000hp+ skylines with and 387hp trueno though.
 
1;19 on what? Trial moutain? If thats the case, its super weak. :odd:

Plus you jumped curbs and stuff. Its not really a clean lap..
 
what do you mean by super peak. cheat codes. nope it all cornering. if you look at my excelleration it is no faster than the normal Trueno S.S. but you have to observe the cornering speeds.
 
really and you can do better with your s.s. trueno. hope your not bouncin off the wall otherwise it only prove how worthless you skills are. not meaning to affend anyone. im just trying to help thats all...
 

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