Speed isn´t everything.

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What do you think?

  • Yes it is. Racing games are all about speeding.

    Votes: 27 9.0%

  • Its a personal taste.

    Votes: 76 25.3%

  • No, it isn´t. The fun involved in racing goes way further.

    Votes: 197 65.7%
  • Total voters
    300
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msturismo
Ok, before someone starts the flame wars... this is just MY opinion. And i want to share it and know about yours either.

Everybody is just crazy about the X1 Prototype, a "car/rocket/comet" that doesn´t even exists ..so far. I´ve got one, from a friend... and i just have to ask: WHat is the point? I mean... the car handles absolutely spectacular, its fast as it can be... but, again i ask: What is the point?

Its a matter of personal taste, i agree, and generallyl it is... faster cars, crazy lap times, etc. I dont think people should give this car so much credit. Sure it is cool to drive on the first 10 minutes, but after that.. it gets normal, and you will find that your superb highpowered enzo or minolta or whatever car you used to love..isnt a beast anymore. And you will be ignoring the other great, low-end cars, that could give you tooons of fun ( remember lupo challenge at nurb? )..

I rarely see people talking about 100hp~300hp cars ...or tradind it. When i join a online lobby, all i see is SUPRAS, ENZOS, LAMBOS, PEUGEOTS and stuff... cant see anybody cruising nurb in a alfa romeo giulia sprint, or a bmw 2002 '72...or a more interesting car.

There is SEVERAL ways of having fun with low powered cars online... nobody seems to care though..

What your opinion about this?
 
I agree, every person and their dog want's an X2010, the trading forum is polluted with threads about duplicating them but what's the point? The car has no soul, and it's so stupidly fast is no fun to drive. Sure it takes skill to manage it, but so do the crafts on Wipeout. Fun for me is trying to tame understeer/oversteer, get the best lines and get the most out of your car which isn't perfect. The X2010 is just pointless, near perfect driving.

Give me a tail happy 500bhp RWD car from the eighties any day over that thing.
 
Copy and pasted from one of my threads:

I surprisingly enjoy driving the FGT much more than the X1.
Even though I put a lot of hard work into the Carbon Fibre X1, the FGT just feels more fun to drive.
Sure the X1 is the fastest car in the game, but it's just not an enjoyable thing to drive.
The FGT reminds me of old F1.
When racing in the X1, you just blow away the competition, and even in one make races in the X1, the AI are rubbish with it and that makes using it no fun at all.
The FGT on the other hand makes for a fantastic drive.
I'll probably use the X1 for distance endurance races, such as 1000 KM of Suzuka, but the FGT for timed endurance races, such as 4 hours of Nurburgring.
The FGT feels nostalgic, the X1 just feels, too mechanical to love.
Even when the X1 is going at full speed, you don't really get a sensation of speed.
The X1 has so much grip, which makes it an amazing car, but not an amazing drive.
A mistake in the FGT, is more costly than a mistake in an X1.
Too soon on the accelerator in an FGT and you get oversteer, the X1 has so much grip, that this isn't a problem.

SimonK
The car has no soul, and it's so stupidly fast is no fun to drive.
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100% agreed 👍
 
The great thing about GT (well 4 and 5) was that there is no best car in class that will dominate on all circuits.

Nothing can be a satisfying as thundering past a race prepared car in a Lancia Stratos.

Speed is how you setup the vehicle, not how fast the polygons are moving.
 
I hate the X2010 more than any other car, it's the car everyone will use online in a while, once enough have been duped... :rolleyes:
 
This is why I would love to have a bhp filter online so it would be easyer to find servers with bhp limited to 200 / 300 / 400 bhp instead of endlessly searching for it
 
Isn't it personal taste what you drive, most of the kids will drive the X1, and thats cool if they enjoy that. it sometimes takes an older more experienced mind than that of a childs to enjoy the finer details of racing a slower car.

My favourite car is the Mclaren F1, i also really enjoy the Ferrari 512BB, the new Mini Cooper is fun to drive and i have always been a fan of the late 80s early 90s RX-7 (GTX/Ifini 3). I like so many different cars ranging from different power levels, but a lot of the cars i love range in the 500-700bhp range.


Now you mention all i see online is xx xxx Supra's, Peugeots.... Not sure where you are coming from here but a Supra is a sub 300bhp car, and every Peugeot i've seen aside from the specific and quite rare Group C lemans car.

As for the X1, i dont like it, infact i hate it. I had fun while it overheated my steering wheel to aquire it through the vettel events, but i have not driven it since winning it, bob has taken a liking to it however.
 
I love the 1988 Honda Accord more than the X2010, you can really enjoy the drive around the Nurburgring in a 120HP car, in the X2010, it's stressful, and difficult.
 
I have the X1 and Bob is wearing it out. I have ran it in very few races. I used it once in like the wind just to see what it would do. Once online when some other idiot jumped in one while we were racing LMP cars. Of course this guy couldn't drive it and even though I stopped and let him pass I still caught and passed him in 1 lap.

I also ran it in the Suzuka 172 lap race just because I could shave an hour or 2 off the required time.

In general I much prefer the cars that run under 200 mph and will drive pretty much anything but when it comes to racing something like the X1 that is just not much fun imo.
 
To be honest I enjoy a bit of everything. Hitting the track in something quick like a Minolta or F1 is a real challenge of reaction times and consistency. But I also love taking out something like a Yellowbird and actually managing to hold the thing together round the ring.

I like cars that make it feel like driving a real car, the problem is with a lot of the lower end cars you lose the feeling of speed. In real life I am able to properly scare passengers in a Pug 207 1.4, but in the game a car like that feels like a trip to the shops so you have to venture to the faster cars to get even close to it.
 
I seems there are some people that agree to come together and do a Fiat 500 race on a city cicuit. Halelujah
 
Th X2010 is fun for a little bit, once in a while. But my favorite car in the game right now is a race car with a bit over 300 horsepower. I like to carve nice neat lines through the corners - not go around tracks so fast that the whole thing is a blur.
 
JaiAE86
I love the 1988 Honda Accord more than the X2010, you can really enjoy the drive around the Nurburgring in a 120HP car, in the X2010, it's stressful, and difficult.
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That's the other problem with it, the thing is so fast it's never fun driving it, you never get change to actually admire the cars performance, just a maximum concentration drive of perfection.
 
Bigbazz
Now you mention all i see online is xx xxx Supra's, Peugeots.... Not sure where you are coming from here but a Supra is a sub 300bhp car, and every Peugeot i've seen aside from the specific and quite rare Group C lemans car.

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I meant the CASTROL TOM´s Supra, and the GroupC Lemans , 908 TDI... and sauber´s,..... everything that is a few inches above the ground and has huge aerodynamic parts, that´s all i see online...

Sometimes i can spot a old school driver in a lotus elan, an old gen subaru, and even a bettle. Thats when i have fun online...

Seriously, i spend all my money in cars that costs no more than 30.000Cr ... if it is rare ( like delorean ...) i would spend a little more. But basically, i´m a collector.. and i usually like to keep two instances of the same car. One tuned and one stock ( Including original colors )...
 
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JackC8
Th X2010 is fun for a little bit, once in a while. But my favorite car in the game right now is a race car with a bit over 300 horsepower. I like to carve nice neat lines through the corners - not go around tracks so fast that the whole thing is a blur.
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The S2000 LM Race car is a sweet ride with just over 300 hp as is the Lotus Elise 111R RM
 
SimonK
That's the other problem with it, the thing is so fast it's never fun driving it, you never get change to actually admire the cars performance, just a maximum concentration drive of perfection.
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I found it fun to drive and still find the slower and tail happy cars fun too. I guess it is a matter of preference but I like all types of cars in the game. What I like about GT is it has a wide variety cars, from the Fiat 500F to the X2010.
 
I've not played this online yet but the most fun I had on Forza Motorsport 2 & 3 were A class and lower. That meant road cars with varying performance from 500hp Ferrari's to 200bhp shopping carts. Much more fun was had there than in race classes with GT cars up to LMPs.
 
THere is one fun thing to do.... take your 100hp ~ 300hp cars to SSR7 online. Its an absolute battle until the very last meter...
 
Mr Turismo
THere is one fun thing to do.... take your 100hp ~ 300hp cars to SSR7 online. Its a absolute battle until the very last meter...
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SSR7 ? That sounds extremely boring, Take them to Nurburgring instead.
 
Everyone wants the X1 because it's hard to get. You can stroll into the dealers and pick up a 200 HP something or other at any time.

I agree that all cars are fun, but speed itself is also fun. And in the world of online with its unfortunate Racing Soft tire additction, slow cars can get a little boring.

I wish the ~300 HP touring cars were not hidden in the UCD. They're great to drive with sports tires on.
 
HBR-Roadhog
SSR7 ? That sounds extremely boring, Take them to Nurburgring instead.
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When you get three cars, side by side, fighting for the 1st place in the last few meters ... you´ll know what i am talking about :)

Thats when your driving skills will count. Miss one shift...and its over.
 
While I like the faster modeled tracks, and don't like any stop and go in racing (example abominable first chicane at Monza) the X1 is a fantasy car novelty of little interest to me.

I would much rather have many more A-spec races across the board of car classes.
 
SuperCobraJet
While I like the faster modeled tracks, and don't like any stop and go in racing (example abominable first chicane at Monza) the X1 is a fantasy car novelty of little interest to me.

I would much rather have many more A-spec races across the board of car classes.
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Indeed. So many great groups of cars go unused in this game.
 
Mr Turismo
Ok, before someone starts the flame wars... this is just MY opinion. And i want to share it and know about yours either.

Everybody is just crazy about the X1 Prototype, a "car/rocket/comet" that doesn´t even exists ..so far. I´ve got one, from a friend... and i just have to ask: WHat is the point? I mean... the car handles absolutely spectacular, its fast as it can be... but, again i ask: What is the point?

Its a matter of personal taste, i agree, and generallyl it is... faster cars, crazy lap times, etc. I dont think people should give this car so much credit. Sure it is cool to drive on the first 10 minutes, but after that.. it gets normal, and you will find that your superb highpowered enzo or minolta or whatever car you used to love..isnt a beast anymore. And you will be ignoring the other great, low-end cars, that could give you tooons of fun ( remember lupo challenge at nurb? )..

I rarely see people talking about 100hp~300hp cars ...or tradind it. When i join a online lobby, all i see is SUPRAS, ENZOS, LAMBOS, PEUGEOTS and stuff... cant see anybody cruising nurb in a alfa romeo giulia sprint, or a bmw 2002 '72...or a more interesting car.

There is SEVERAL ways of having fun with low powered cars online... nobody seems to care though..What your opinion about this?
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I think your post is a bit general, I have highlighted the the points you have made that I agree with and don't agree with.

Personally, I have no interest in the Redbull X1, Formula GT or Ferrari F1 cars at all. I bought and subsequently play Gran Turismo because of the road cars, some race cars and especially the special model road cars that are in the game. This has always been the case for me.

The tuning aspect of the game is also something I enjoy alot, being able to compare a stock (unmodified car) to one that I have modified in some way is something I enjoy greatly. Being able to then race, with friends, cars that I have modified is, for me, a huge aspect of the game.

I do agree that it's a matter of taste, if people want to buy or use GT5 just for the Redbull, F1 cars or whatever, that is up to them, they paid for the game, just like me. If people want to use all 1000 cars, so be it, if they want to use 10 cars, so be it. What people want and how they play or use the game for their needs differs greatly, this has been highlighted in many threads already and is, for me, obvious to see.

I think people do care, looking at the threads available on this forum about the Redbull X1, it creates alot of emotion, if people didn't care then there wouldn't be such a heated discussion on the various issues and points of view that have been mentioned about the Redbull.

If you look at the Online sub section of this forum, there are many races on offer, there is a huge variety of races, not all the races are for the Redbull, FGT or Ferrari F1 cars. I think this diversity of races and restrictions within races in this subsection shows that not everyone is intersted in racing the same cars (or the cars previously mentioned in this post).

I agree that generally, many of the random rooms that are available online, setup by random people, there is an element of the 'fastest' cars are to be used, and are also seen as being popular. But, people on this forum have mentioned if you are prepared to look around and carefully choose your selection of general lounges online, you can find that there are people who have set up events and races that are not based on the fact that a car must be one of the fastest in the game.

Although it is good that some of the restrictions for online racing can be based on things like power and weight, these restrictions are still fairly general. If the restrictions were to be modified or enhanced in a way to reflect more what A spec was like (for instance pre 1990 Japanese cars, front wheel drive cars only, turbo cars, DTM cars, pre 1979 cars in general) then the situation would change. It is the way of the world though, and especially the way of online gaming, when rules are so vague and limitations are so general, many people are going to take the obvious, easy or generally accepted normal route that others take.

Yes, there are some people who do use variety and have individual preferences, but the majority use what is seen as either the norm, the obvious choice (so they have an equal chance as others / the opposition and do not feel that they are disadvantaged) or what is generally seen as the 'best' or most popular. For Gran Turismo this just happens to be the faster cars, usually on the best tyres.

Look at other games like Pro Evo or Fifa, most people usually use the same top teams, look at Battlefield, most people usually use the same guns and equiptment for each character. Why would it be any different for Gran Turismo?
 
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I dont care what I drive, from the slowest of the slow upto and including the X2010.
I don't have it yet but I will prob drive it once I have the opportunity to obtain it, but not more than I do any other class of vehicle. I do however wish cars were assigned to a class of vehicle for online purposes.
 
Mr Turismo
When you get three cars, side by side, fighting for the 1st place in the last few meters ... you´ll know what i am talking about :)

Thats when your driving skills will count. Miss one shift...and its over.
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Sorry but that track is just way to simple You really only have a skill factor on the 2 ends the rest is all just drafting and bumping and in a 200 hp car would be very boring to me just as a 200 hp car on Daytona speedway would be boring but may be a close race.

London on the other hand is a bit more interesting in the low powerd cars.
 
Highlandor
Look at other games like Pro Evo or Fifa, most people usually use the same top teams, look at Battlefield, most people usually use the same guns and equiptment. Why would it be any different for Gran Turismo?
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I see your point here, and i agree. The main purpose of the thread was share my thoughts and know about the other´s. I do know why people prefer the X1 or Ferraris and Lambos... its basically what you´ve said.
 

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