Speeding KILLS

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Even good people can do stupid things. Something like this is unforgiveable, but I do still feel sorry for most of the people in this event. Certainly including the 15 year old pregnant girl. I do however find it interesting how the father boasts he took care educating his kid, but in fact it's obvious he wasn't around.
 
Blake
There'd been like 4 fatal accidents involving teenagers in 4 consectutive nights, this was the first. Now Aussie gov'ts cracking down and every teenager will have to pay for some stupid ********s mistakes. I know it's for safety but if that wankers can't drive we (Aussie teenagers) should be punished.

What do you think about everyone else being limited because of their mistakes?
I'm a teenage driver, and I already have to suffer because of other idiots my age. I was recently quoted at over $1,000 a month to pay for the insurance for a '96 Chrysler Sebring convertible. Needless to say, me and my parents were not willing to pay what is pretty much highway robbery, so I ended up selling the car, for $8,000 (Very good, considering the previous owner, my grandpa made numerous dings and scratches to the bodywork). It would have cost well over 100% of the value of the car just to insure it for a year.

Why are my rates so high might you ask? Well, first off, I live in Ontario, where the auto insurance industry is running rampant, and nobody seems able to stop them (It's even worse in Alberta though). And, I'm a 17 year old male, which instantly makes me one of the highest risk drivers on the road. Yet, I can safely say that I am a safer driver than at least half the drivers on the roads of Toronto, something my parents and my driving instructor will attest to. I've been a car guy for much of my life, and as such car ownership has been a dream of mine for sometime, yet ridiculous insurance has killed that dream for the time being.

But, I think ridiculous insurance rates for teenagers is well deserved, for the most part. I've seen lots of people my age driving, and unfortunately, it's mostly stupid people my age I see behind the wheel of motor vehicles. Unfortunately, said stupid people can't drive safely if their lives depended on it. They speed constantly, they tailgate, they don't pay attention to the road and driving, and so forth. So, at least I can see why those morons deserve a high insurance rate, but why should I be punished for the actions of others? I think it's disgusting that just because of my age and gender, insurance companies instantly assume that I'm a dangerous driver. Isn't this discrimination?

Oh yes, if insurance companies tried to charge higher rates to women just because they are women (which is pretty much what they do with men), I guarantee you the feminist groups would be all over this.
 
Ev0: Yes it is discrimination, but that's how it is. It would be nice to get your insurnace based on how you perform in your driving test, but the can you base how safe someone is on the road by one 1 hour test? Not really. It's the bane of every young male's life, and it sucks.
 
It's not the assumption that you're a dangerous driver. Premiums directly reflect the risk the actuaries believe that you will cause the insurance company to pay out.

Younger drivers tend to have more crashes than any other age group. They tend to have more serious crashes - and thus more expensive ones - than other age groups. The cars they tend to choose are more often older (i.e. cheaper) ones which do not perform as well in crashes and increase the relative risk of personal injury claims.

The way to beat insurance is to get a relatively cheap, modern car (certain branches of the market depreciate heavily - a 2 year old Ford Mondeo can cost the same as brand new Ka/Seicento and will represent a much lower risk of personal injury to the insurers), fully stacked with insurance-reducing anti-theft devices, parked in a garage overnight, used for social, domestic & pleasure only and limit your mileage (get a calculator, work it out and add 10%).
 
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That's insane :crazy:
 
Ev0
I'm a 17 year old male, which instantly makes me one of the highest risk drivers on the road.
Not "one of the highest risk"... the highest risk.
I think it's disgusting that just because of my age and gender, insurance companies instantly assume that I'm a dangerous driver. Isn't this discrimination?
Are they just supposed to take your word for it?
Oh yes, if insurance companies tried to charge higher rates to women just because they are women (which is pretty much what they do with men), I guarantee you the feminist groups would be all over this.
They already are all over lots of stupid things already.

Insurance, by it's very nature is discriminatory, as it should be. Why should I have to pay more because teen males drive like crap?
 
donbenni
Ev0: Yes it is discrimination, but that's how it is. It would be nice to get your insurnace based on how you perform in your driving test, but the can you base how safe someone is on the road by one 1 hour test? Not really. It's the bane of every young male's life, and it sucks.
Actually in Ontario, the G2 test (one level up from a lerner's permit) is only 10 minutes long. A monkey could get an Ontario driver's license. Hmm, maybe that's why we have such high rates...
 
Hmm, I just realised my post last night made next to no sense...But I was rather pissed off at the world then so eh.
eVo
So, at least I can see why those morons deserve a high insurance rate, but why should I be punished for the actions of others?
I don't really mind that insurance rates are high, I can see sense in that. But what I don't see sense in is the measures the Australian Govt. wants to go to to stop us having accidents.

They want to stop P platers (everyone under 20) driving on Friday and Saturday nights between 10pm and 5am -- This is bull****! Alot of people need to work late shifts and need to drive home or to work between these times. It's taking away personal freedom!

The want to limit the number of teenge passengers P platers can carry to one -- Yes, it is a fact that the more teenage passengers that are in the car the more the driver is distracted, I still think that there are reasons why it is often necessary to do carry teenage passengers.

They want to limit the power of cars that P platers can drive -- I can see the sense in this, but it's very possible to get over 200kmh in many 'ordinary' cars, I think limiting the power would help a bit but not much, because most young drivers have old heaps with next to no power anyway.

They want to change the age at which drivers can get their licence -- At 17 y.o. males tend to be the worst decision makers out of the entire population. It makes sense to stop 17 y.o. people driving on the road.

I think these are all pretty much half-assed solutions to a much bigger problem. The way our learning system is now, we are essentially taught how to pass a test, not how to really drive. If we were forced to go to advanced driving schools, get more hours supervised driving, more time on L's before being allowed to get to P's etc I think our road toll would be much lower. Oh, and a test that actually tests your driving skill!
 
Famine


Carl Homer, 33, and Mr Homer's 15-year-old, seven-month pregnant, girlfriend Natasha Schyf

first thing that came to mind when i read this was, maybe they live in alabama or luisiana. i think if the older person is old enough to have conceived someone you age there is a problem with that. I was also thinking how possible to have feelings for someone 16 years younger than you without getting a little creeped out?
 
To be honest i wasn't surprised to see the Skyline split in two. Mainly because last year (i think) a Mitsubishi GTO split in two after hitting a power pole or something in Auckland City (i think he was a 30-something year old getting chased by the Police).

And i've seen pics etc of countless Honda Preludes plus a few other cars split into two. In 2001 a day old (for the 17 (?) year old owner) Prelude zoomed down a 'staircase' hill near me and lost control of it on one of the 'steps', then slid into a power pole - splitting the car in two. Both guys survived with minor injuries.

I think the driver age should be rasied from 16 (here) to at least 19/20. They should get a ride into work with experience/mature drivers.

I'm 21 years old, have my full licence and have been driving for about four years now. I've never been pulled over by Police, never had any speeding tickets (apart from one in the Skyline but that wasn't really my fault), i have 0 demerit points on my licence and have never damaged a car.

My 18 year old brother on the other hand has had heaps of speding tickets, been pulled over by Police plenty of times (although not as many times while in the RX-7 surprisingly - but he's had more speeding tickets in the RX-7), had a few accidents (nothing major) and has about 20 demerit points to go until he loses his licence for three months (like one of the guys in our Nissan Skyline car club has - but his GTS-t is having problems too).

Main reason why he probably has a worser record than me is because i don't have any friends outside of the internet (met all the friends i have this year - through the internet).
 
Am I supposed to feel sorry for a hunk of metal that got twisted into a slightly different hunk of metal? It's a car people!!! No need to feel sorry for it. I can gaurantee you it didn't notice.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the 33-year-old jackass who knocked up a 15 year old and proceeded to drive over 100 mph, go airborn and die?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for an idiot 15-year-old who got knocked up by a 33-year-old and went for a ride at over 100 mph voluntarily, went airborn and died? I remember being 15 and I would have had a little better judgement than that (at 17 maybe not :) ).

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the lump of cells that was developing into a stupid human being but stopped developing?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the obviously fantastic parents of the idiot 15-year-old who were actually looking forward to caring for the offspring of these two "winners"?

Sounds like things worked out just fine...
 
danoff
Am I supposed to feel sorry for the 33-year-old jackass who knocked up a 15 year old and proceeded to drive over 100 mph, go airborn and die?

The 33 year old wasnt driving, he was a passenger. A 20 year old was driving (who you didnt meantion).
 
The 33 year old wasnt driving, he was a passenger. A 20 year old was driving (who you didnt meantion).

My bad. You're right. He was probably the biggest of the idiots.
 
Mustang-man
I'm 21 years old, have my full licence and have been driving for about four years now. I've never been pulled over by Police, never had any speeding tickets (apart from one in the Skyline but that wasn't really my fault), i have 0 demerit points on my licence and have never damaged a car.
How can speeding NOT be your fault?
 
Blake
How can speeding NOT be your fault?
It was the Skyline's fault.

I've got a question for you guys, did Nissan ever officially sell Skylines outside of Japan, Australia or New Zealand?I thought you guys might know, since there seems to be bunch of international Skyline fans in this thread. Thanks!
 
That crash with the Skyline splitting in two was just up the road from where Blake and I live.

I also agree that speeding is a killer. Although, even though it's a valid argument, I'm sick of this "P-Plater's are the devil" kind of attitude. There was an accident here not long ago. The news was so ignorant, they managed to continue mentioning the "P-Plate Driver", yet he was in the Passenger Seat, and the driver was fully licensed. This gets on my nerves.

I mean, yeah, sure, P-Plate Drivers are sometimes trouble, and a fair amount of them do speed. But why continue bantering on about this topic? We've heard it so many times before it's like when a mother continues to tell you to clean your room. You don't do it for a while, and you continue doing what you're doing until you're ready to do it. It seems as if P-Plater are getting continually hassled with this crap enough, that it's become a sort of "automatic-ignore" thing, and the Government and Media have really ruined whatever chance they had of resolving the issue.

Well-done Australian Government. 👎
 
a6m5
It was the Skyline's fault.

I've got a question for you guys, did Nissan ever officially sell Skylines outside of Japan, Australia or New Zealand?I thought you guys might know, since there seems to be bunch of international Skyline fans in this thread. Thanks!

Yes the R34 GTR was sold in the UK for a high price.
 
a6m5
It was the Skyline's fault.

I've got a question for you guys, did Nissan ever officially sell Skylines outside of Japan, Australia or New Zealand?I thought you guys might know, since there seems to be bunch of international Skyline fans in this thread. Thanks!

Japan wanted to keep the R32 Skyline in Japan, but then came the R33, and Australians got it.
 
Australia never got R33!

We got 80 R32 GTR's but they stopped when the GTR's were banned in touring cars in Aus.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Yes the R34 GTR was sold in the UK for a high price.

The R33 Skyline GT-R (£50,000) and the R34 Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (£54,000) were both officially sold in the UK at a maximum of 100 units a year.
 
I though the R33 Skyline GTR was also sold in the UK but I wasnt certain.
 
Blake
How can speeding NOT be your fault?
Okay, bad choice of words.

I started passing a truck which was doing about 80km/h or something (going slow anyway) at the top of a hill, but as we both started going down the hill he sped up to about 110 km/h which meant i had to put my foot down as i was already halfway past.

*flash*
 
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