Sport mode, hate people keep brake testing...

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Don't forget the 2 second rule !

I have done quite a few and nobody's done it to me yet all i see are the people who think for some reason they can out brake everyone in the world.
 
Kinda hard when they do it on the apex.

Had a guy doing this to me last race. He qualified ahead of me but I clearly had better race pace. I was up his ass the whole race and he kept blocking. And when he couldn't shake me he started brake checking in the middle of corners.

Checked his stats..206 races only 6 wins yep slow af.
 
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Alipapa
It is so annoying that people do brake test just to shake you off at the next penalty point.

Played about 5 daily race C today, and got brake tested more than 15 times. Sportsmanship went from S to C... Dunno what PD will do to prevent people doing it.
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Forget being put off, it's people who brake test you so you punt them very slightly off track or take the hit and deliberately drive wide, which earns you a 3sec penalty. The devs are braindead. How could they think players wouldn't use this as a deliberate tactic?

I really do believe the devs are real-world illiterates. I reckon they're the kind of people who lick windows for sustenance because it had a picture of a burger on it and stand endlessly at a road junction because there's a sign that says stop.

If GT7 came in a case and not digital download, I'd have used it as toilet paper weeks ago. Alas it can't even fulfil that secondary purpose.
 
mattikake
The devs are braindead. [...]

I really do believe the devs are real-world illiterates. I reckon they're the kind of people who lick windows for sustenance because it had a picture of a burger on it and stand endlessly at a road junction because there's a sign that says stop.
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O.o
 
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Unfortunately it means that you can't apply real world racing techniques, as that's what's letting your opponents take advantage. Ultimately, you have to play the game according to the rules that are in place even if they're daft. That means either finding lines that will keep you away from a brake checking opponent, or stooping to their level.

The car in front has the option of brake checking, the car behind has the option of diving and punting the opponent. If the game is not sufficiently penalising these activities and your opponent has shown clear willingness to race like this, it seems like fair game to me. Possibly not a terribly fun way to play the game, but it is what it is until Polyphony choose to do something about it.

Don't hold your breath.

This is the sort of stuff that led to iRacing introducing incident caps. There's a maximum amount of incidents you can have in a single race before you get disqualified. It means you as a safe driver can usually sit back and let the crashers DQ themselves, knowing that you'll get that place eventually anyway.
 
There is a stark difference between brake checking someone, and braking earlier than the car behind expects you to.

YOU may drive and use certain braking points, but that doesn't mean everyone else uses the same points. In real world racing the responsibility to avoid contact while approaching or entering a braking zone falls to the following car. If you're right on someone's ass, you're also going to be subject to slip-stream which means your braking points need to be further out than normal. If you're tailing someone through a corner, the same applies - if they carry more speed than they should and brake in the turn, or if they brake to turn tighter and hug the inside curb, it's on you to react and brake to avoid contact.

Brake checking is on a straight where there is no need to brake. Approaching a corner or braking zone is an area you should expect braking to happen, but not exclusively when you think it should happen.
 
There is a stark difference in expecting someone to have a different brake point and having an expectation that people that have qualified at a similar time don't take corners at 20 mph slower than I do.

The first is expected behavior, the latter is driving to intentionally cause rear end collisions.
 
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sixty4half
There is a stark difference in expecting someone to have a different brake point and having an expectation that people that have qualified at a similar time don't take corners at 20 mph slower than I do.

The first is expected behavior, the latter is driving to intentionally cause rear end collisions.
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This.
 
sixty4half
There is a stark difference in expecting someone to have a different brake point and having an expectation that people that have qualified at a similar time don't take corners at 20 mph slower than I do.

The first is expected behavior, the latter is driving to intentionally cause rear end collisions.
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Do you have evidence for these claims?.. How do you know what the other driver is doing and why? Maybe he extra selects a line that does NOT allow him to overtake him on the inside of the corner exit... as long as you're not already next to him, that's a common and legal technique... but what many drivers do is eg. changing the line back and forth on the straight to prevent the person behind you from getting past... that's what an incredible number of drivers do... and that's extremely antisocial... the same applies to a wavy line to break the slipstream... that's just childish.. you can see that in principle in every race... and please don't say that you've never done anything like that... I've had this kind of behavior too and still do today, when I've been badly shot down several times, I get angry and behave more aggressively than one should.. I slam doors at the last moment hoping that the man behind me doesn't manage to brake in time.... But this behavior is NOT fair.. and owed to me previously "done". That's why you should always be aware of what's going on around you. The big problem will remain.. if you are too defensive as a follower, you will be overwhelmed by the man behind you.
 
I am not saying people brake 2 meters earlier than me is bad.
I am talking about people who park at Apex, and brake check when the intention is clearly trying to get the car behind penalized are freaking worthless. They should just go detune a tomahawk and beat the hell out of CPU to jack themselves off
 
What level of clean races are you in? I'm in S for cleanliness but only D for speed, and it's never happened to me, but then I don't often win either, so perhaps everyone behind me thinks I brake testing when in fact I'm just slow and not taking an optimum line as I'm avoiding contact with the cars in front too.
 
xMAXIx79
Do you have evidence for these claims?.. How do you know what the other driver is doing and why? Maybe he extra selects a line that does NOT allow him to overtake him on the inside of the corner exit... as long as you're not already next to him, that's a common and legal technique... but what many drivers do is eg. changing the line back and forth on the straight to prevent the person behind you from getting past... that's what an incredible number of drivers do... and that's extremely antisocial... the same applies to a wavy line to break the slipstream... that's just childish.. you can see that in principle in every race... and please don't say that you've never done anything like that... I've had this kind of behavior too and still do today, when I've been badly shot down several times, I get angry and behave more aggressively than one should.. I slam doors at the last moment hoping that the man behind me doesn't manage to brake in time.... But this behavior is NOT fair.. and owed to me previously "done". That's why you should always be aware of what's going on around you. The big problem will remain.. if you are too defensive as a follower, you will be overwhelmed by the man behind you.
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You're really aggressive about this topic. Almost like you feel accused of something, which I can assure you was not my attempt.

Yes, I do have video evidence of this type of stuff happening. I keep replays of about half my races.

I have been racing for decades, and i have watched F1 for decades. You are preaching to the choir. To the point where you are being accusatory. I dont understand how you can be so defensive when we are just complaining about people who ruin the lobbies we are in.


That has a few videos that might have what you are looking for. I'm not going thru them for you but if it happens to me this weekend I'll make sure to post that race. Check out the Gr4 Veyron at Monza race, that has a lot of bad behaviour from a bunch of people as I dont follow just myself thru that video. Also check out the GT7 Penalty System at its Finest video from 2 weeks ago.
 
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I rather deal with apex brake checkers as the AI do this, what I hate is AFK players that end up causing large chunks of the track fall under a yellow flag.
That brands hatch indy track with the VW Scirocco R, about 75% of the track was under yellow flag, so no overtaking could be done.
mwoodski
This is called "parking on the apex" and is a real world technique used to break momentum. ESPECIALLY if the car has a power advantage.
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The AI do this heavily.
 
Alipapa
I am not saying people brake 2 meters earlier than me is bad.
I am talking about people who park at Apex, and brake check when the intention is clearly trying to get the car behind penalized are freaking worthless. They should just go detune a tomahawk and beat the hell out of CPU to jack themselves off
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But is that what they're doing? Sometimes braking in a corner is done to bring the cars further back into play, and is a valid racing tactic. Take the final race of last year's F1 season as an example:

Later half of the race, Verstappen and Hamilton have both pitted resulting in race order being Verstappen 3rd, Hamilton 2nd and Perez 1st. Perez knows Hamilton is faster than he is, and he knows Verstappen is too far back to catch Hamilton on pace alone. What follows was Perez fighting Hamilton hard - one of the tactics Perez used was intentionally slowing right down on the apex. Perez knows that in that scenario Hamilton can't go wide around the outside as he's already committed to the apex, it'd just waste time to move out wide, so Perez slows, knowing that means Verstappen gets closer. He has Hamilton pinned. Perez controls both his pace and Hamilton's.

Now obviously Verstappen and Perez are teammates, and Perez wants to help Verstappen win the drivers championship, but it's an example of the tactic being used in real life. In online racing it's a valid tactic if you know that 2nd place has better pace than you - slow down long enough to pull 3rd into the battle and there's a good chance 2nd and 3rd will fight for 2nd, making it easier for you to hold onto 1st.

Racing isn't as simple as pointing the car and driving faster than everyone else to get into 1st place. There are a lot of tactical decisions to be made while racing, aggressive and defensive. It's on you to be aware of when people may drive defensive around you and when it's appropriate to drive on the offensive.
 
SnuggleMaster
Kinda hard when they do it on the apex.

Had a guy doing this to me last race. He qualified ahead of me but I clearly had better race pace. I was up his ass the whole race and he kept blocking. And when he couldn't shake me he started brake checking in the middle of corners.

Checked his stats..206 races only 6 wins yep slow af.
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Parking it on the apex is a legitimate defensive strategy, he’s not braking checking you on the apex. A brake check is done on a straight away, no where near a braking/slow spot on the track.
 
Pigems
Parking it on the apex is a legitimate defensive strategy, he’s not braking checking you on the apex. A brake check is done on a straight away, no where near a braking/slow spot on the track.
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Do it to me and find out what happens then.

A quick internet search of the practice in Iracing games most are saying its ungentlemanly and dirty.
 
SnuggleMaster
Do it to me and find out what happens then.

A quick internet search of the practice in Iracing games most are saying its ungentlemanly and dirty.
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Hahaha, learn how to drive then man. If you are that much faster than the guy, you’d find a way by. Here, was this 45 min of dirty driving? Max is really good at parking it on the apex to stop you from getting an exit run, he makes in near impossible to pass him. But there is absolutely nothing dirty about it at all, it’s called racing. 👍

 
Pigems
Hahaha, learn how to drive then man. If you are that much faster than the guy, you’d find a way by. Here, was this 45 min of dirty driving? Max is really good at parking it on the apex to stop you from getting an exit run, he makes in near impossible to pass him. But there is absolutely nothing dirty about it at all, it’s called racing. 👍

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@GOTNOBRAKES dirtiest scum ever :lol:
Just look at his username :dunce:
 
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Alipapa
It is so annoying that people do brake test just to shake you off at the next penalty point.

Played about 5 daily race C today, and got brake tested more than 15 times. Sportsmanship went from S to C... Dunno what PD will do to prevent people doing it.
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That is exactly what happened to me. I went from B-S to B-D in a matter of a day or two. When I managed to climb to B-B I stopped playing Sport mode.
That was over a month ago and I haven't touched any multiplayer feature since then.

PD didn't do anything to improve their system. Hell, they never even added back (from an old version of GTSport) the up/down arrows in-race that showed in real-time if you were improving of lowering your sportsmanship level.
 
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Unfortunately, if you retaliate it's going to mess up your S rating and you'll end up in more lobbies with bad drivers. Best thing you can do is just move on with your life. I get it, it can be frustrating, it's happened to me for sure. I've even done it before by accident. If I mess up someone's race, I'll hit the hazards and sit on the side of the track and wait for them.

I've been very fortunate to have some really good races with people who are very respectful of space. These people make this game fun.

Shout out to these guys:

The McLaren drive and I went side by side from T3 all the way through T7. No contact at all.
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The Subaru and Penz driver also very clean. There was some back and forth between all of us and they always drove very respectful leaving space as required (as did I).
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Zero2Oblivion
Now obviously Verstappen and Perez are teammates, and Perez wants to help Verstappen win the drivers championship, but it's an example of the tactic being used in real life.
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Now I know it's a legit technique, but I absolutely hate it when they do this. Personally speaking: It's not fair play.

To stay on topic: Maybe it's just luck, maybe coincidence, but I was never brake-checked even once. When I bump into someone it's more then often my own fault. I'm to close, to impatient etc. People take different breaking points depending on their style or cars they drive. So it's best to have a safe space/different line then other drivers in front of you, unless you absolutely know how the other one behaves.
 

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