Sport or fully adjustable suspension?

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I don't understand, what is the difference if you are NOT going to tune the suspensions. Do you get better handling if you buy the 20,000 one over the 3000 dollar suspension if you don't tune it at all? just left it default.

So, if i'm not going to tune it, am i fine going with the sport suspensions.

Or will i still get better handling just paying for the more expensive.
 
I buy the mid one on most cars, and if they need more tuning I buy the fully one. I drift so I prefer the fully
 
Always buy Full... IMO, adjustable toe is probably the most important to be able to dial in. Will greatly effect your cornering abilities & ability to throttle on hard out of apexs.
 
Smackinjuice
So, if i'm not going to tune it, am i fine going with the sport suspensions.
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I don't normally tune it and I say that, if you're not interested in tuning, that the sport suspension should be fine for you.

boredgunner
Why wouldn't you tune it?
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Probably because the bulk of the 6+ million GT5 players don't know enough about tuning to fool with it. They could easily do more harm than good if they fiddle with it without knowing what they're doing. Many players just don't care enough to bother tweaking the tuning settings, either, feeling that the time and effort to shave off fractions, or even a few whole seconds, from a lap isn't worth the commitment.

Now, players that don't know tuning could hunt around online for a tuning setup, but they may or may not find one for their particular car and many just might not care enough about shaving off a half second or a couple seconds to mess with it.
 
hightyme
Always buy Full... IMO, adjustable toe is probably the most important to be able to dial in. Will greatly effect your cornering abilities & ability to throttle on hard out of apexs.
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This but if your just want to casual tune use height adjusted
 
The fact that you can't remove the stock toe-in without going for a fully customizable suspension is argument enough to stump up for one.
 
Smackinjuice
Well what I mean is; is an untuned default setting fully adjustable; give better handling then just the fixed sport suspension?
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You have to test it and decide it for your self...
Car-handling have a lot to do with individual drivingstyle and personal preferences...

To find out, take a car you know well, buy both the sport and full suspension-kit, go to a track you fancy, and then give each suspension-pack enough laps till you feel confident about them.
THEN you will, either per lap-times or feel of car-handling, be able to determine for your self, which suspension-pack that fits you best.... also from "stock"-setting...
 
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I've wrecked a few cars with full customised kit lol, sports kit is great step up from stock suspension and has a good feel. I prefer the sports kit on MR exotic cars it makes them shine as I muck them up with tuning the most.
 
I wouldn't know if the fully adjustable is any better than a height adjustable in default setup because I adjust my cars.

I only have the height adjustable suspension on cars that came with it. But I add the fully adjustable suspension to cars I race.

This is a question you can answer for yourself by buying a car and adding both, then driving it.
 
I buy allways the FC Suspension because the Car handels better with it and is faster.

Now if you don´t know anything about tuning (like me) read the help section at the Suspension settings screen [it is the little yellow square at every changables (sprinrate etc)] and try to remember it (important for the following "step").

After that do following: Trial and Error.

If you did totally BS select the "default" Button => you´ll have the stock settings again.

My settings work for me and my drivingstyle very well and if you do the above things you´ll probably increase your "skill" more than doing nothing. You can only gain.
 
hightyme
Always buy Full... IMO, adjustable toe is probably the most important to be able to dial in. Will greatly effect your cornering abilities & ability to throttle on hard out of apexs.
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The toe is the least important.

-has the smallest increments of any of the adjustments
-hides a poor tune if used in excess and tire wear will show in longer races
 
audirs
The toe is the least important.

-has the smallest increments of any of the adjustments
-hides a poor tune if used in excess and tire wear will show in longer races
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Toe is your best friend on curves... it can really help you take a corner faster then your opponents online.
 
Don't be scared of the full kit- yes, it can seem daunting and confusing at first, also there's different ways of doing the same thing i.e. increasing front or rear grip / stability.

You're a member of GTPlanet, this forum has a whole subsection on tuning, there's also ready made guides on full suspension kits - what does what. Start using the Tuning subsection, take it stage by stage, I'm positive you will find at least one or two guys who can start to take you through the basics.

Don't try and run before you can walk though - take your time, and most importantly, listen to what you're being told and don't try to compare to real life. Deal with what works in the game for you, what things people are telling you that you can understand and relate to in the game - i.e. if someone tells you to change 'X' and your car will be more stable under braking, then go try it ONLINE (NOT A spec) and see for yourself.

It'll take time at first, but once you start to get the hang of it, it all starts to fall into place quite nicely.

Don't try and go for perfect setups initially, worry about that later. There's many little, easy and basic things you can do with full suspension setups that will improve most cars, at least a little bit - some alot.

Also, take each car individually, there are general basic or minor setups that can apply to alot of types of cars i.e. RWD / FWD / 4WD / MR, which will make them better. But always remember there are 1000+ cars in the game, everynow and then you might have to do things a little differently for one particular car.

Get started and good luck 👍
 
niky
The fact that you can't remove the stock toe-in without going for a fully customizable suspension is argument enough to stump up for one.
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That...

And that often I've wound up buying the full one anyway after all... It sometimes seems that buying the sports suspension is the waste.

But, if you're not planning on tinkering on that particular car, and just want to adjust things a tad for a specific purpose... Then sure that's what the sports suspension is for.
 
Only ever buy fully adjustable... it's the 1st thing I do to any car I want to drive.

All cars come with a stupid amount of +ve rear toe in GT5 and fully adjustable suspension is the only thing that enables you to get rid of this. It's what causes almost every car in the game to understeer so badly 'out of the box'. Winding the rear toe off improves the handling of every car in the game.

Even if you change nothing else, you should get rid of the rear +ve toe.
 
knukken
I buy the mid one on most cars, and if they need more tuning I buy the fully one. I drift so I prefer the fully
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Can we exchange set ups please? Im trying to tune a small fleet of custom drift cars and i need help with the suspension.. as for me i use full custom suspension for my tuners.. when they include a 880 horsepower C63 and other monster heavy hitters, you need the adjustability
 
Smackinjuice
Well what I mean is; is an untuned default setting fully adjustable; give better handling then just the fixed sport suspension?
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In theory the race suspension should be better as its designed for well racing as it has the components the handle the stresses and strains of the weight transfer.
 
boredgunner
Why wouldn't you tune it? Get the fixed sports kit then.
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Not everyone is an expert and knowing how your damper's should be be relative to your spring rate. That's without considering Toe angle, camber etc. For some it's much easier to buy a kit with minor stuff done.

I'm not one of them, i love to have a fiddle round and perfect it. Don't have a clue what i'm doing half the time but i can recognise the adjustments in the car then adjust accordingly.
 
MikaelK
You have to test it and decide it for your self...
Car-handling have a lot to do with individual drivingstyle and personal preferences...

To find out, take a car you know well, buy both the sport and full suspension-kit, go to a track you fancy, and then give each suspension-pack enough laps till you feel confident about them.
THEN you will, either per lap-times or feel of car-handling, be able to determine for your self, which suspension-pack that fits you best.... also from "stock"-setting...
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Great comment. Just like LSD, suspension settings are quite reliant on driver preference.
 
Well thanks for all the answers; I figured it out anyhow.

See I know why to get fully adjustable; I understand what tuning is; But what I meant was if you had left them all default; would you get better handling by buying the most expensive.

A la old need for speed; just get better and the handling bar goes up. Of course this isn't need for speed and you don't have any bars.

anyhow the answer is yes; buying a fully tunable suspension is better then sport even if you leave them default. Try it out; you can get better times and the cars handle just way better in general.

Thank you though!

also to many cars for me to adjust; also I notice a lot of tunes are really only good for your own self; like many people have said you just have to figure out how you drive.

but it end this thread; a default more expensive suspension without tuning will give you better handling; allowing you to take corners at a faster speed. This is good for me to know cause most the time I just screw up my suspension when I tune them; but i didn't know if i should fork 15,000 or just get sports on everything. Now I know to buy the most expensive regardless for my best cars.
 
sk0pe
Don't have a clue what i'm doing half the time but i can recognise the adjustments in the car then adjust accordingly.
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No one really does as the game doesn't tell you important data like tire temperature spreads that could be used to analyze the setup. Race car telemetry could also monitor suspension travel, individual wheel speeds and other funky stuff in real life... :)
 
Either one is better than stock because you have the option to change camber angles. Changing camber can really influence car handling. Bad camber setting in the real world can cause all sorts of tire wear & poor handling, so I'm assuming it applies to GT5 as well.
 
Stotty
Only ever buy fully adjustable... it's the 1st thing I do to any car I want to drive.

All cars come with a stupid amount of +ve rear toe in GT5 and fully adjustable suspension is the only thing that enables you to get rid of this. It's what causes almost every car in the game to understeer so badly 'out of the box'. Winding the rear toe off improves the handling of every car in the game.

Even if you change nothing else, you should get rid of the rear +ve toe.
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Not necessarily - I was under exactly the same assumption as you, until:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=158037&page=2

Read what TOURINGBUBBLE says and setup some cars like he suggests.

For A spec it's superb, some cars suffer (like the premium R34gtr V Spec, I use -toe for this car) but for most others this guys way of utilising the default rear + toe angle works extremely well.

I use it for alot of cars now, and it works very very well.

Sometimes I have to adjust the value, either higher or lower, but fundamentally what this guy says is very good.

You don't even have to follow his whole setup exactly, take on board what he's saying and then work it to your driving technique / style.

I didn't believe him at first (I hated the default +0.20 setting), then I tried what he was saying - it blew me away...
 
Most settings need to be set with other variable to get them to work correctly, but winding the rear toe to 0.0 is always a good start when tuning a car... +ve rear toe does have the effect of making the car turn less and does cause understeer.

I've read the comments from Touring Bubble... he's broadly right in his assumptions, but his statement that -ve front toe aids turn in is wrong. +ve front toe makes the car turn faster, -ve front toe gives more mid corner grip.

Personally, I want the rear of the car unstable as I can manage during turning... so I quite often use +ve rear toe settings.

Oh, and I'm not 'under any assumption'... this is my personal experience of the game :)
 
I've found that the sport kit often creates a lot of understeer on my cars so I'll usually buy the fully adjustable/race kit if I want to change the suspension.
 
Stotty
Most settings need to be set with other variable to get them to work correctly, but winding the rear toe to 0.0 is always a good start when tuning a car... +ve rear toe does have the effect of making the car turn less and does cause understeer.

I've read the comments from Touring Bubble... he's broadly right in his assumptions, but his statement that -ve front toe aids turn in is wrong. +ve front toe makes the car turn faster, -ve front toe gives more mid corner grip.

Personally, I want the rear of the car unstable as I can manage during turning... so I quite often use +ve rear toe settings.

Oh, and I'm not 'under any assumption'... this is my personal experience of the game :)
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Fair enough, each to their own - everyone has different driving styles, but in my experience + toe figures on the front can murder the front tyres.

I use - toe on the front and often have very good tyre durability, without sacrificing grip.

Same with the rear toe figure being positive, somewhere between +0.05 and +0.30, it gives most cars good stability, therefore making the car handle better.

Any understeer can be dialled out through other settings, same results can be achieved through different tuning methods, though, everyone has their own way of doing things.

My point was that the default rear toe setting isn't that bad, if you know how to amend other parts of the suspension to cater any understeer it creates, whilst still keeping good tyre wear for longer races.
 

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