SR System a Poor Joke

[BarbarianGoth]

Work your butt off to get a S SR and race cleanly, then some fool rams you into the wall and you get a 10s penatly and drop an SR level after a race.
What a joke. Good job PD.

To have a good SR, you have to either always start in 1st place (impossible, if you improve your qualifying time it just puts you against faster people) and be the absolute fastest every single time, or play to lose and start from the back and not make any overtaking moves.
It is impossible to take the SR system seriously.

EDIT: I just got back up to S after dropping to as low as a C. SR system is still broken imo.

 

[Mires]

Work on your driving skills dude, start to anticipate what other guys around can do. Outsmart them there is multiple ways how to be fast and clean, to keep your SR at S grade...

And no, you don't need to be the fastest or the slowest all the time. Happy mid-bunch driver here, trading paint here and there, but nothing serious. And still keeping SR S ever since i got it. Had not a single rammer in any of my races.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

Work on your driving skills dude, start to anticipate what other guys around can do. Outsmart them there is multiple ways how to be fast and clean, to keep your SR at S grade...

And no, you don't need to be the fastest or the slowest all the time. Happy mid-bunch driver here, trading paint here and there, but nothing serious. And still keeping SR S ever since i got it. Had not a single rammer in any of my races.

lol your post made me laugh. If you are "trading paint here and there" your SR is decreasing. If you have never been rammed by anyone, consider yourself extremely extremely lucky.

One day, some BS completely out of your control will happen to you and your SR will plummet and you will eat your words about "outsmarting them" and having "good driving skills".

If you are constantly driving defensively, you are playing to lose.

 

[Mires]

lol your post made me laugh. If you are "trading paint here and there" your SR is decreasing. If you have never been rammed by anyone, consider yourself extremely extremely lucky.

One day, some BS completely out of your control will happen to you and your SR will plummet and you will eat your words about "outsmarting them" and having "good driving skills".

If you are constantly driving defensively, you are playing to lose.

"Trading paint here and there" means tapping someone with no harm on both sides, there is little to none orange SR downs and no penalties. So pretty easy to keep up in SR S.

I've never said or wrote that i am driving defensively. Being not the fastest in the bunch doesn't mean i am not pushing hard... doing my best to keep up the pace. But doing it the way no one can say i did it wrong. Accidents do happen, that is the race, sorry if you had bad luck, but why to whine about? In the end, it's just the game...

Edit: seems most of the dirty racing is on NA section of the game - EU races pretty clean though...

 

[BarbarianGoth]

"Trading paint here and there" means tapping someone with no harm on both sides, there is little to none orange SR downs and no penalties. So pretty easy to keep up in SR S.

I've never said or wrote that i am driving defensively. Being not the fastest in the bunch doesn't mean i am not pushing hard... doing my best to keep up the pace. But doing it the way no one can say i did it wrong. Accidents do happen, that is the race, sorry if you had bad luck, but why to whine about? In the end, it's just the game...

Edit: seems most of the dirty racing is on NA section of the game - EU races pretty clean though...

Well, I would say almost half of the races I am in there is some monkey business going on, even if I'm not a victim or involved in it.
Yes, it is just a video game. But it's fustrasting as hell. You can have five good races and some BS happens to you and you get knocked down an SR level. Two if you rage quit. Worked my way from a C back to A... don't know if I'll ever get S again... don't really know if I care anymore, too much BS to take seriously.

 

[Renrag39]

You've been very lucky, Mires. I got pounded in the Manu race last night. Same guy too. Took me out to the gravel 3x, 4th corner, esses and last corner and t boned me to boot on the 5th corner. SrS race too. Ended up having to nudge him properly on the 3rd lap to get him off my case. He was literally waiting for me to come out of the gravel after the t-bone. Went down to SrB.
I try to be aware but tbh, if someone has it in for you, it's very hard to avoid. Especially if you're in an admittedly slower car and have to use every tiny advantage to keep it on line to stay with the pack.
On the other hand, Mt panorama in SrS was a delight. Not a clean race but maybe 2 orange markers racing in a pack of 5. Very orderly though the squiggly bit and courteous slipstreaming.
Glad I had that race otherwise I wouldn't be bothering to grind back to SrS again.

 

[ceres2000]

Work your butt off to get a S SR and race cleanly, then some fool rams you into the wall and you get a 10s penatly and drop an SR level after a race.
What a joke. Good job PD.

To have a good SR, you have to either always start in 1st place (impossible, if you improve your qualifying time it just puts you against faster people) and be the absolute fastest every single time, or play to lose and start from the back and not make any overtaking moves.
It is impossible to take the SR system seriously.

I don't blame you for feeling this way. A week back I went from S to D. Was happily in S when someone punted me 3 times. S dropped to A so I decided to try again and this time I got into a really dirty race where almost everyone ended up with SR in red. Rinse repeat and i got frustrated and made a few mistakes and took a royal drubbing dropping my SR to C and then D.

I thought first about just starting at the back and improving my SR but that got old quick. Started actually racing again really really cautiously. Gained a few places. Pushed some more. I'm back at B. It's definitely not perfect and it can be unfair but I've learned to back out of passes if I think it's going to mess up my SR, sometimes I give up a place if the guy seems too eager. Most often theyll mess up at some point and I can take the opportunity.

If there's someone on the track I know is going to mess with me I try my best to either pull away or if possible avoid contact no matter what. Sometimes it works sometimes not. It's challenging to say the least.

 

[MaxJP]

Work your butt off to get a S SR and race cleanly, then some fool rams you into the wall and you get a 10s penatly and drop an SR level after a race.
What a joke. Good job PD.

To have a good SR, you have to either always start in 1st place (impossible, if you improve your qualifying time it just puts you against faster people) and be the absolute fastest every single time, or play to lose and start from the back and not make any overtaking moves.
It is impossible to take the SR system seriously.

My last 2 days have been like that. Was an B S now a B B and it's rough. Trying to get out of their way but still get punted :/ the penalty is the worst especially if you get hit and not hit them. Or get rammed and you get penalty for corner cutting if it's not your fault.

 

[BIGBEN]

Well, you don't have to drive like a lunatic, tunnel visioned on the checkered flag the entire race. In most of my races, I'll get at least one or two SR 'Downs' but always make up for it by the time it's over.

It's after gettin that 3rd or 4th SR 'Down' that you need to just hang back, hold position and focus on just finishing clean... If that don't sound like fun, then I hear the new Need For Speed is perfect for impatient hand holding instant gratification.

The SR system does have it's issues, but it is doing it's job pretty well.

 

[dylpro]

Well, I would say almost half of the races I am in there is some monkey business going on, even if I'm not a victim or involved in it.
Yes, it is just a video game. But it's fustrasting as hell. You can have five good races and some BS happens to you and you get knocked down an SR level. Two if you rage quit. Worked my way from a C back to A... don't know if I'll ever get S again... don't really know if I care anymore, too much BS to take seriously.

So don't rage quit? Driving defensively is "playing to lose"? What do you consider losing? Second place? Third? Any time YOUR car isn't the one on the screen at the end of the race? Play to race. I think you need to check your priorities, because you're conflicting yourself right now.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well, you don't have to drive like a lunatic, tunnel visioned on the checkered flag the entire race. In most of my races, I'll get at least one or two SR 'Downs' but always make up for it by the time it's over.

It's after gettin that 3rd or 4th SR 'Down' that you need to just hang back, hold position and focus on just finishing clean... If that don't sound like fun, then I hear the new Need For Speed is perfect for impatient hand holding instant gratification.

The SR system does have it's issues, but it is doing it's job pretty well.

I'm not sure I'd classify getting several downs in a race and not losing DR as doing it's job well.

 

[Tekku]

Work on your driving skills dude, start to anticipate what other guys around can do. Outsmart them there is multiple ways how to be fast and clean, to keep your SR at S grade...

And no, you don't need to be the fastest or the slowest all the time. Happy mid-bunch driver here, trading paint here and there, but nothing serious. And still keeping SR S ever since i got it. Had not a single rammer in any of my races.

It's all fine and dandy until you eventually end up in a situation like the one below, then you're a cynical just like the rest of us.

 

[AdamA998]

Yep, just had one guy dive bomb everyone off the track, he kept crashing himself so we all caught back to him and he kept hitting everyone off by lightly tapping. SR is S and DR is C somehow. He is not a C level driver. So to recap Gr.3 race I had, first corner someone crashes me off immediately dropping me to last place. Then I caught up to the pack in front. The Citreon driver crashed off a Lambo driver, I caught up to him and he kept hitting me. Overtook him multiple times in that race. Him and GT-R kept divebombing and crashing me off and overtaking me. I got no penalties but it didn't affect their SR rating. A mustang driver dive-bombed and crashed me off too, there's no way he caught up to me and not sure where he appeared from, maybe respawned who knows. Last lap GTR driver crashes me again twice, still finished ahead of him. But, the racing is just stupid right now. Reckless drivers all with S rating. You have to take a horrible line and keep looking at your rear to avoid being hit and it affects your lap time.

Then the tires after two laps go to hell and the car is sliding in areas it shouldn't. The worst thing of all though being that there is no feedback and you can't tell what the limit of the car is or if you need to counter steer or not. I can only tell by looking at the screen. Controller drivers probably are better off.

Work on your driving skills dude, start to anticipate what other guys around can do. Outsmart them there is multiple ways how to be fast and clean, to keep your SR at S grade...

And no, you don't need to be the fastest or the slowest all the time. Happy mid-bunch driver here, trading paint here and there, but nothing serious. And still keeping SR S ever since i got it. Had not a single rammer in any of my races.

Getting a SR to stay at S is very easy. Avoiding these drivers isn't with the kind of tracks we have right now. They dive-bomb and their car is not ghosting. There is very little room on certain tracks to avoid them.

 

[Mires]

I personally expected carnage in todays Tokyo race, surprisingly managed to go relatively clean from first few corners when it is hottest. I rammed one guy later in race (to be fair i can say he didnt even lost his place and could continue in his line after the first hairpin), served my penalty (10s) and raced till end. Should i complain that i was few times putted in the wall? that i got hit in the back aswell? that it is why i ended up second to last in that race? No, i really didnt liked this track, especially when the night is there. So i tried to avoid more harm, which i guess i managed well.

One thing to say - my SR stayed S, so I wonder how you guys who complain about loss of SR race, when your SR drops by 1 or even 2 grades?

 

[IceMan PJN]

Edit: seems most of the dirty racing is on NA section of the game - EU races pretty clean though...

:-O

No wai!

The US has a different vision of racing. Here, they took a line from Hollywood to heart and have "Rubbin' is racin'" tattooed across their right butt cheek, and think it means bashing, clashing, and banging rather than light contact.

 

[Mires]

:-O

No wai!

The US has a different vision of racing. Here, they took a line from Hollywood to heart and have "Rubbin' is racin'" tattooed across their right butt cheek, and think it means bashing, clashing, and banging rather than light contact.

I like your sarcastic tone

 

[kjeldsen]

Spring Cleaning

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

If there's someone on the track I know is going to mess with me I try my best to either pull away or if possible avoid contact no matter what. Sometimes it works sometimes not. It's challenging to say the least.

another strategy is to use these guys as enforcers. basically don't try to pass them, pressure them hard and wait until they collide with another leading car and then pass both after they scrub and rub speed off on each other. but yes, i agree there's no reason why anyone should be in the mix with these bad drivers. i'll stay ahead or behind and only with noticeably clean drivers would i ever try to go 2 wide into a turn or do anything requiring the slightest bit of fair play.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

It's all fine and dandy until you eventually end up in a situation like the one below, then you're a cynical just like the rest of us.

There are certain race courses that you can just about count on being a crash fest, Tokyo is one and Blue Moon is another that seems to get a lot of negative publicity.

Best thing to do is avoid those tracks on line like the the plague and race on the tracks that have a bit better reputation as having some really good races. Kyoto and Dragon trail both I have had good luck with. Suzuka if you get a decent group of drivers is good as well but a few tools in the wrong spots on that track can cause a lot of unhappy racers.

If you find that the time slot you are racing is full of dirty racers quit for a while and come back and try again in a couple of hours. You will figure out if your region has times and even days it seems that there are more clean races occurring than others.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

So don't rage quit? Driving defensively is "playing to lose"? What do you consider losing? Second place? Third? Any time YOUR car isn't the one on the screen at the end of the race? Play to race. I think you need to check your priorities, because you're conflicting yourself right now.

First of all in about 100 races I only quit once. And my SR tanked so I'm not doing it again.
Second, playing to lose is letting everyone who comes anywhere near behind you to let them pass, or not making any moves to pass the guy in front of you if you are faster, just to protect your precious SR. Playing to win equals finishing in a position at least the same you started in if not better.
And don't give any tough guy lectures about revaluating priorities, makes you look silly, especially when there is a legitimate problem with the SR system. If you think there isn't, you are in denial.

Well, you don't have to drive like a lunatic, tunnel visioned on the checkered flag the entire race. In most of my races, I'll get at least one or two SR 'Downs' but always make up for it by the time it's over.

It's after gettin that 3rd or 4th SR 'Down' that you need to just hang back, hold position and focus on just finishing clean... If that don't sound like fun, then I hear the new Need For Speed is perfect for impatient hand holding instant gratification.

The SR system does have it's issues, but it is doing it's job pretty well.

If you are driving like a lunatic, you would be in E SR. And hanging back purposely is not racing, it's putting around the track. And if you hang back, unless you are dead last, someone will catch up and try to pass you. Are you just going to move over aside for everyone?
And nobody is asking for hand holding instant gratification. Just a concise penalty system that doesn't penalize you for other people's screw ups.

 

[dylpro]

First of all in about 100 races I only quit once. And my SR tanked so I'm not doing it again.
Second, playing to lose is letting everyone who comes anywhere near behind you to let them pass, or not making any moves to pass the guy in front of you if you are faster, just to protect your precious SR. Playing to win equals finishing in a position at least the same you started in if not better.
And don't give any tough guy lectures about revaluating priorities, makes you look silly, especially when there is a legitimate problem with the SR system. If you think there isn't, you are in denial.

It's not a "tough guy" lecture. I'm letting you know that your statements contradict. It's good sportsmanship to realize you're not the best racer in the field. Just because someone is behind you in qualifying means NOTHING. The bolded part in your quote, yeah that's laughable. If that's your mindset then you've only got yourself to blame. There's a HUGE difference between setting a qualifying time on a closed course and racing in a field of 20 other drivers. Realize you're not always going to be driving better IN RACE than the guy behind you who was all of one second (if that) behind your qualifying time.

I'm not telling you the SR system is perfect, the penalties you get from others ramming into you is obviously BS. And I'm not a big fan of the whittling away penalties in race either, but it's helpful during the instances of the former. Things need to be fixed, but we're also still less than a month removed from the release date. As with any game there's going to be a learning curve for both drivers and PD. The SR system is working as intended in most instances and there are things that will need and will be changed and adjusted by PD. The game is still in infancy.

 

[Ian Fairbanks]

"Trading paint here and there" means tapping someone with no harm on both sides, there is little to none orange SR downs and no penalties. So pretty easy to keep up in SR S.

I've never said or wrote that i am driving defensively. Being not the fastest in the bunch doesn't mean i am not pushing hard... doing my best to keep up the pace. But doing it the way no one can say i did it wrong. Accidents do happen, that is the race, sorry if you had bad luck, but why to whine about? In the end, it's just the game...

Edit: seems most of the dirty racing is on NA section of the game - EU races pretty clean though...

I quoted this because it’s true. Just today, at Suzuka, I traded paint with 1st place (FTW,BTW), no penalites, no SR down. Just good clean racing. “Clean” in the racing sense does not mean contact isn’t happening. What it does mean is you are intentionally ramming someone and disrupting their chassis and racing line.

 

[Shottah072]

Avoid the crashfest tracks and drive a defensive line when being chased by crazy drivers to prevent them bombing you. And improve your pace so most of them cant hang with you.

 

[The5amkebab]

I personally expected carnage in todays Tokyo race, surprisingly managed to go relatively clean from first few corners when it is hottest. I rammed one guy later in race (to be fair i can say he didnt even lost his place and could continue in his line after the first hairpin), served my penalty (10s) and raced till end. Should i complain that i was few times putted in the wall? that i got hit in the back aswell? that it is why i ended up second to last in that race? No, i really didnt liked this track, especially when the night is there. So i tried to avoid more harm, which i guess i managed well.

One thing to say - my SR stayed S, so I wonder how you guys who complain about loss of SR race, when your SR drops by 1 or even 2 grades?

You seem to be another typical gamer missing the point of what the SR system is supposed to do. Most people aren't complaining about their drop in SR because they see SR S as a high score to achieve or a badge to wear, they are complaining because the SR system was supposed to separate the good and bad drivers so the rammers and nudgers would end up together and the clean, fair drivers would end up together. The biggest turn off in a racing game is unfair drivers taking away the excitement of a clean race, that's one of the main reasons why project cars was dead in public lobbies after a short period, what's a racing simulator if it can't simulate the most important aspect of motorsport, sportsmanship? You can have the most realistic tracks, cars, physics, etc but if people want to take that and play dodgem cars with it then its a complete waste. If we wanted a game with rammers we could have stuck to many other racing games out there, the fact is this game was marketed to us as though it had the solution to this number 1 problem in online racing.

A mix of good and bad drivers will happen in SR B and below, no one should complain in those level races, but it should definitely not be happening in SR S, people aim to get an SR S to get away from the dirty drivers, whether its a full on ram or a sneaky nudge to make them spin out and crash. SR S is supposed to be akin to real life racing, sneaky nudges and putting another racer in danger of crashing is not allowed or tolerated at all in real racing so it should not be seen in SR S, yes in SR B and below but not A or S, it should be incredibly hard to get and hold an SR S but at the moment any monkey can get it. The situation you described, although you are ok with it, the majority of us are not if we are in SR S races, this shouldn't happen there and it is constantly happening which means the SR system is not working well at all. The potential is there and all it will take are a few small changes but that remains up to PD if they listen to their customers and do something about it.

On your last sentence, the system is obviously bugged too, I had an 8 lap race, had 1 negative SR incident, nothing major and the rest of the race was clean as I was second the whole race and 1st and I were way ahead of everyone else. My SR dropped at the end of the race while his increased, definitely a bug so there is not much consistency in the system at the moment.

 

[Mires]

You sure about what you said in your first sentence? Do you know me better than i do myself? Where did i said that Sr system is kinda badge, or achievement you can claim? There is that leveling up (ruby, emerald etc.) to be that thing you try to put as my idea.

I do know the idea about this whole SR system - same idea as leveling the car groups in general. Instead of power it is based on our skills, or, the FiA licencing system.

Even it is a bit buggy for now, do not blame this system, as the carnage thing within drivers is in their heads, not in their SR class. Therefore we have these test seasons to figure out the problems (i mean PD) and set all things properly before the real kick off.

But you know what? You can fine tune it to its best, there can be no bugs within the system, yet there will be always the human factor involved, which you cannot program. Remember M. Schumacher crashing his opponent attempting to overtake him and claim his title back in time in Adelaide GP? Even the best ones have dirty thoughts sometimes. And thats all the issues here.

And about the SR drop for almost nothing, there seem to be bug within game code based on servers working with American region, as i mentioned earlier, kudos @IceMan PJN

 

[The5amkebab]

You sure about what you said in your first sentence? Do you know me better than i do myself? Where did i said that Sr system is kinda badge, or achievement you can claim? There is that leveling up (ruby, emerald etc.) to be that thing you try to put as my idea.

I do know the idea about this whole SR system - same idea as leveling the car groups in general. Instead of power it is based on our skills, or, the FiA licencing system.

Even it is a bit buggy for now, do not blame this system, as the carnage thing within drivers is in their heads, not in their SR class. Therefore we have these test seasons to figure out the problems (i mean PD) and set all things properly before the real kick off.

But you know what? You can fine tune it to its best, there can be no bugs within the system, yet there will be always the human factor involved, which you cannot program. Remember M. Schumacher crashing his opponent attempting to overtake him and claim his title back in time in Adelaide GP? Even the best ones have dirty thoughts sometimes. And thats all the issues here.

Yes, the way you're talking about the SR system shows either you don't care it isn't doing the job its supposed to for the majority or you don't understand what the SR system is really supposed to do. Even your explanation that "it is based on our skills,or, the FiA licencing system" shows you don't fully get the meaning of it and how it is supposed to be implemented. Remember, its called a "Sportmanship" rating, the main component which is being exploited by the ones who have no sportsmanship and penalising the ones who show sportsmanship. You're trying to give people tips on how to increase and hold their SR rather than seeing it isn't the rank of SR itself they care about but how the rank is supposed to function. Increasing SR in hopes of finding clean like minded racers is not working anywhere near like it should or could be. Maybe this is due to your very lucky experience of running into few rammers and dirty drivers in your experiences with this game, which is not the norm as is obvious by the mountain of threads on this issue on this and many other boards.

Yes the best have used dirty tactics but we're talking what, a few times out of thousands and thousands of laps? I'd expect that in SR B or below, in SR S races you can do that multiple times in one lap without much consequence and is easily made up for with a few clean sectors afterwards, it can happen to you multiple times of no fault of your own and you wear the consequence, this shouldn't be the way it works, that is the issue you seem to not fully understand.

 

[Mires]

Yes, the way you're talking about the SR system shows either you don't care it isn't doing the job its supposed to for the majority or you don't understand what the SR system is really supposed to do. Even your explanation that "it is based on our skills,or, the FiA licencing system" shows you don't fully get the meaning of it and how it is supposed to be implemented. Remember, its called a "Sportmanship" rating, the main component which is being exploited by the ones who have no sportsmanship and penalising the ones who show sportsmanship. You're trying to give people tips on how to increase and hold their SR rather than seeing it isn't the rank of SR itself they care about but how the rank is supposed to function. Increasing SR in hopes of finding clean like minded racers is not working anywhere near like it should or could be. Maybe this is due to your very lucky experience of running into few rammers and dirty drivers in your experiences with this game, which is not the norm as is obvious by the mountain of threads on this issue on this and many other boards.

Yes the best have used dirty tactics but we're talking what, a few times out of thousands and thousands of laps? I'd expect that in SR B or below, in SR S races you can do that multiple times in one lap without much consequence and is easily made up for with a few clean sectors afterwards, it can happen to you multiple times of no fault of your own and you wear the consequence, this shouldn't be the way it works, that is the issue you seem to not fully understand.

Dude, all and everyone talks here about SR as about something they need to achieve, not me, and when i told here in the beginning to anticipate others, give room when theres no other way and i was told to play to lose? Is that your point of seeing sportsmanship or SR? Is that why everyone who complains is complaining? For your info, there are hundreds of thousands of players, and only a handful of them comes here to complain? Even registering account just to sulk and rage on some dirty drivers and then say to be rather like them? 90% of sulkers have less than 10 or 20 posts on forum, mostly less than 5. Is that the sample of all of the players???

Okay, finishing here, no more reaction on someone who tends to complain tendentially...

PS: your definition of sportsmanship might be rigt, i dont mind, you tell them complainers what is it about.

I am the casual player who does not undertand why is he playing this game and who is playing it to lose. Bye, gone, R.I.P. in destruction derbies...

 

[azrilnazli]

in a circuit there will be 4-5 sectors
SR will gain on each clean sector

If 1 sector is down, there will be another sector to gain with.

unless your driving quality is really bad to have sr down on every sector

 

[The5amkebab]

Dude, all and everyone talks here about SR as about something they need to achieve, not me, and when i told here in the beginning to anticipate others, give room when theres no other way and i was told to play to lose? Is that your point of seeing sportsmanship or SR? Is that why everyone who complains is complaining? For your info, there are hundreds of thousands of players, and only a handful of them comes here to complain? Even registering account just to sulk and rage on some dirty drivers and then say to be rather like them? 90% of sulkers have less than 10 or 20 posts on forum, mostly less than 5. Is that the sample of all of the players???

Okay, finishing here, no more reaction on someone who tends to complain tendentially...

PS: your definition of sportsmanship might be rigt, i dont mind, you tell them complainers what is it about.

I am the casual player who does not undertand why is he playing this game and who is playing it to lose. Bye, gone, R.I.P. in destruction derbies...

Yes there are some that see it as a high score to achieve and they have it wrong. However, the people who are complaining are the ones who invested money (some a lot of money taking into consideration steering wheel and similar peripherals) and also what little free time they have because PD told them the system would eradicate the problem of rammers and dirty drivers ruining the game for those that wish to race fair as in real life racing, this is as close as the majority of us will get to competing in our favourite sport so its annoying when trolls and dirty drivers are ruining this experience constantly when it can be easily fixed by PD. If we knew the system wasn't going to work we would've either stuck with other racers or not invested a lot of money on the game and peripherals.

The complaining isn't just to have a whinge though, PD are smart enough (I assume) to have their employees reading these and other forums for feedback so they can adjust their game for continued success instead of letting it tank like project cars did. If everyone just kept their mouths shut and left the game, PD would have no clue why and nothing would change or be fixed. The only reason SR ratings are being introduced in console racing games now is because it is the most integral and requested part of racing games today from gamers.

I don't think you should drive to lose, that isn't the way I see sportsmanship, that's actually letting the dirty drivers get away with exploiting the system which should not be exploitable. The fact is the system needs changing and it should be easy to do if PD are listening to their customers, watching youtube videos players have uploaded and reading gamer forums to see how their product is being received. Just hanging at the back of the pack for many races until you get to SR S only to be greeted by the more evolved rammers, the ones that slyly nudge you enough to spin out but not affect their SR, definitely is not the answer, it just leads to more of the same.

No its not the sample of all players but find another game where players are complaining about other players exploiting the system as much as you can find about GT Sport. The closest you can find is Battlefield and that's a war game, you're meant to use dirty tactics but as soon as something is exploited that the producers assured wouldn't happen, they fix it right away, we're hoping PD listen.