standard cars n update

[TBR 427]

Good info sir! Yea I'm sure all the have to do is use tesselate their current standard car models to the same quality as the premiums and just create the interior views, update the headlights, back lights and so on. I don't think it would take as long to create a premium from scratch like you said the base models is what takes probably the longest.

And the car's physics engine has to be updated to the current.

Not quite - PS2 models, really no matter the game, have had to be optimized for in-game use, and tessellating, or any form of smoothing really, requires good edge flow. I could blow 70 pages of forum space on the topic (but I won't, google 'good 3d topology' if you're interested), but the point is there'd need to be some cleanup before they could be smoothed and cut into panels. Headlights can be a pain or they can be easy, depending on how the shapes interact. Several concentric circles (think old Audi TT or Veyron) in a smooth shape are easy mode, they work nicely and easily, but lights such as the Zagato Kanto are a very difficult to work with because they're not as simple, and any errors in modeling will cause lighting/shading errors in game.


Also, the physics won't need to be changed much, if at all. It's all values for each car (spring rate, spring length, etc etc etc), just run those through calibration and testing (what they would have already done with Standards) and make sure they're good, and bam, done.

 

[type_raver]

I'd prefer new models over upgraded standard models, though if we can have both ill gladly take that. And if they upgrade standard models, i doubt that they would do their interiors, probably just bump the poly count and higher res' textures.

 

[Sele1981]

The graphics from FM4 looks better that GT5 when it comes down to the auto vista feature. The racing gameplay will be quite the same but it will have improved texture quality and the brand new engine with the cars not increased polygon count like you see in the auto vista feature.

I would not bet on that... We will see the quality of the FM4 cars when we get the game... The jump from FM3 to FM4 can´t be that big if they was saying that the 360 is on it´s limit with FM3 already...

 

[brennonyo]

I'm hopeful that PD will add tracks and some cars since Forza 4 will be packing with new content. A nice update in the future would be very welcomed.

 

[Skiddy]

One question: Why?
We allready bought the game.. We all knew what we were buying. It said so on the box (200 premiums and 800 standards, etc..). PD is going to fix the bugs, I'm sure, but adding new tracks and cars, I don't think so.
The only possible scenario where we could see some DLC is the one where Sony hires a third party comany to model DLC cars and tracks.

 

[Fantomas666]

If only it were that simple, we probably won't be seeing the same amount of Premium cars as the total number of Standard cars currently included when GT6 is released.
To make a Standard car into a Premium car means remodelling it from scratch, or to put it simpler, they can't use the Standard car to create a new Premium model so they have to make roughly 6-800 new cars (depending on what's regarded as a fully different car) and each Premium car takes about 5-6 months to create.
So that won't happen for GT5, and I doubt it will happen for GT6.

ok lets break this down, 6 months(worst case) to create a premium.

200*6=1200, 1200 months = 100 Years Haha, No it dosen't. Just no! now pd create some more premiums you managed 200 or so whilst all else was going on, now manage some more please in less than 100 years, I know you lot like to take your time but come on.

1000 premiums would then take 500 years, sorry about my maths before, but still pretty funny.

 

[THEPUNISHER]

Listen forza takes gran turismo ideas and improve it , like top gear , in gt5 we have only top gear test track and in the special event there is a scene shows top gear studio and someone speak english ( british ) i'm a bit bad in english try to understand me please

in forza they got all top gear tv show jeremy clarkson he comment and do stuff


nothing wrong with gt5 its just small things , and yes i agree with you pd should work hard

come on chop chop ( whatever that is ) !!_!! i got bored with gt5 nothing new -_-

 

[shurnster]

Not quite - PS2 models, really no matter the game, have had to be optimized for in-game use, and tessellating, or any form of smoothing really, requires good edge flow. I could blow 70 pages of forum space on the topic (but I won't, google 'good 3d topology' if you're interested), but the point is there'd need to be some cleanup before they could be smoothed and cut into panels. Headlights can be a pain or they can be easy, depending on how the shapes interact. Several concentric circles (think old Audi TT or Veyron) in a smooth shape are easy mode, they work nicely and easily, but lights such as the Zagato Kanto are a very difficult to work with because they're not as simple, and any errors in modeling will cause lighting/shading errors in game.

Also, the physics won't need to be changed much, if at all. It's all values for each car (spring rate, spring length, etc etc etc), just run those through calibration and testing (what they would have already done with Standards) and make sure they're good, and bam, done.

Thanks i'll look into the 3d topology.

I would not bet on that... We will see the quality of the FM4 cars when we get the game... The jump from FM3 to FM4 can´t be that big if they was saying that the 360 is on it´s limit with FM3 already...

I don't think it's a huge jump from racing gameplay but they did create a new lighting engine and improved the textures. But in my own opinion, I don't think it would have the graphics of the premium cars from GT5 on racing gameplay. Many Forza fans believes the racing gamplay feature is going to have the same amount of quality that they see in auto vista mode which isn't going to happen.

And about creating more premiums, I don't see why Polyphony won't get other companies to do it and of course if the companies are really good and skilled. I already know that Polyphony is very talented but the problem is they only have over 150 employees while turn 10 has 300. They should do the same thing that Turn 10 does is use two other companies to model most of their cars. Or just bring hire more employees. They made lots of money from us and should be used for the future of the gran turismo series. Do whatever it takes.

 

[analog]

ok lets break this down, 6 months(worst case) to create a premium.

200*6=1200, 1200 months = 100 Years Haha, No it dosen't. Just no! now pd create some more premiums you managed 200 or so whilst all else was going on, now manage some more please in less than 100 years, I know you lot like to take your time but come on.

1000 premiums would then take 500 years, sorry about my maths before, but still pretty funny.

They ofcourse will be created simultaneously and by different teams but it was stated that the total amount of time spend on one car is about 6 months.
In those 6 months several cars can be created (and maybe the total time can be reduced by new methods) but there will be a limit how much they can create since the details on these cars takes a lot of time and there's only so much employees at PD.
There's a whole thread discussing this topic in depth though, it's not like I'm pulling these numbers out of my arse.
Even if the Standard cars can be used as base (which I sincerely doubt since the Premium cars are constructed in a completely different way) the interiors take the most time to model anyway.

 

[Pennywize]

well they didnt take the time out with standerd cars so the next ? is are the physics up to par in the standard cars or are they just there to say we have 1000 cars in the game cause i dont count standerd cars as a number.

 

[analog]

well they didnt take the time out with standerd cars so the next ? is are the physics up to par in the standard cars or are they just there to say we have 1000 cars in the game cause i dont count standerd cars as a number.

Standard cars are just cars from previous GT-games probably indeed added to increase the total number of cars significantly (since most of the cars included are Standard) and add variety perhaps (at least that was the reason Kaz gave).

 

[Duncs]

I hear what you are all saying with the cars but surely tracks are the most important extra needed, 1000 cars in any form is plenty imo but the lack of real tracks or even old gt tracks is crazy. I personally wouldnt pay for new cars as I dont feel I need them but tracks I would happily hand over money for as it would also give PD much more scope for adding new A/B spec events while also keeping the online side fresh.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

Hm, just imagine PD releasing this under the ingame news section:

Dear Customers,

At the XX.XX.2011 we are going to officially release the GT5-SpecIII Update on the PSN Store for 10€/$. This update adds tons of new content for this game, like...
- 1 new photo travel location
- A new custom track location ("custom forrest, looks exactly like eifel, but we sell it to you as something different. Why not? We made great success with copy pasting Skylines/Miatas/RX7s, so this decision will contribute to the future success of the Gran Turismo franchise)
- 4 new tracks (All created by Kazunori, using the ingame track creator)
- 30 new cars (All copy pasted Skylines (4 different model) get premium)

We hope you enjoy this offer and give you a taste of what has more to come with Gran Turismo 6 because we will now officially stop updating this game.

 

[deadcat777]

I'm looking forward to the new M5!

 

[GTNewfie]

Actually, the graphics in Forza Motorsport 4 lay down the graphics of GT5.

I hope they are preparing a major uptade to at least try to overshadow the launch of Forza 4!

Let's wait and see!

Highly unlikely the xbox will have better graphics then Gt5's premiums or the best looking tracks in GT5. There is a reason PS3 exclusives look better then any game on xbox. Falling for marketing hype i see. before you call me fanboy, I have owned a 360 longer then my PS3.

Forza 4 will be more consistent looking, gt5 looks brilliant in places, poorer in others. But gt5 at its best will still beat forza.

some of you crack me up, Gt5, like it or not is not being effected much at all by forza, gt5 still sells truck loads. Gt5 wont be effected by forza 4 launch. Unless Forza magically gets better physics, wheel support, many wont leave Gt5. Many do not own both consoles and will stick to Gt5. many who own both will just get both games.

 

[GTNewfie]

I hear what you are all saying with the cars but surely tracks are the most important extra needed, 1000 cars in any form is plenty imo but the lack of real tracks or even old gt tracks is crazy. I personally wouldnt pay for new cars as I dont feel I need them but tracks I would happily hand over money for as it would also give PD much more scope for adding new A/B spec events while also keeping the online side fresh.

Agree, why so many are asking for cars blows my mind, many criticize gt5 for having too many cars most wont touch most of them in the game.

Game needs, tracks, content, updates, not cars.

 

[Swinkel]

Since when does PD get influenced by release dates from Forza? PD have their own schedule, not caring about anything other than making the perfect game. They have proved that many times with the release date. The game might still not be perfect, I assume they ran out of time given by sony, but we apparantly bought the game and I for one still think it is awesome.

Besides, in my case I couldn't care less about Forza. I don't have an Xbox and don't want one. Of course I would like extra cars, tracks and stuff in GT5 and would pay for DLC. But I would have liked that a couple of months ago, now, in a month, 6 months.. anytime actually. In the meantime the seasonal events and higher pay-outs keep me happy

 

[GT5_delayHATER]

One question: Why?
We allready bought the game.. We all knew what we were buying. It said so on the box (200 premiums and 800 standards, etc..). PD is going to fix the bugs, I'm sure, but adding new tracks and cars, I don't think so.(...)

Sometimes ppl around here tend not to comment each others posts, they just want to post theirs. But what Skiddy said is something that makes very much sense.

We are a very demanding community, the game update is at the 10th version and we still wants more. Is it fair? To demand more and more updates? This is something to keep in mind.

I´m not saying that I didn´t like the updates, I actually want that they keep coming, but when it comes to forza 4 launch I think PD should make a really serious move, not just adding helmets and barbie racing clothes. If you know what I mean...

 

[TT3AZ]

Standard cars is a must, the most intresting ones are standard. I really hope they dont remove the standard ones, and make more useless premiums. I hope they make standards into premiums though, and make cars in a more effective way. Turn 10 managed to make premium cars in less amount of time, so why cant PD do that?

 

[shurnster]

Standard cars is a must, the most intresting ones are standard. I really hope they dont remove the standard ones, and make more useless premiums. I hope they make standards into premiums though, and make cars in a more effective way. Turn 10 managed to make premium cars in less amount of time, so why cant PD do that?

Turn 10 uses two different companies to create the cars. That's why FM3 has about 500 cars including dlc. If Turn 10 managed to create all of them, there wouldn't be as much. PD create all of the cars to become premium instead of using other companies to create them. But I would say Turn 10 has better logical thinking on this part.

 

[Tornado]

One question: Why?
We allready bought the game.. We all knew what we were buying. It said so on the box (200 premiums and 800 standards, etc..).

It did not say this. It isn't even particularly hard to argue that PD went out of their way to hide the Standard cars until the game was released.

 

[shurnster]

It did not say this. It isn't even particularly hard to argue that PD went out of their way to hide the Standard cars until the game was released.

I would agree with you on this part. But they mentioned about the standard cars issue before the game came out. Many other people bought the game because they didn't know. Not everybody check updates and articles on gt5. So I feel sorry for the people who wasn't aware of this issue.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not saying that they weren't forthcoming with some information.

Just that even people who followed GT5 updates religiously like many of the members here did didn't even know what the Standard Cars would entail because of how little PD released about them (and how well they hid that information), so the "you knew what you were getting into" argument doesn't apply.