StarCraft 2 - Season 7 is live. Someday I'll ladder, honest

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Just got a few games in tonight and beat 2 silver zergs and lost to another. I really hate mass roach pushes although when I finally did defend one I won easy with a dark Templar drop in his main.
 
The thing that's really annoying me as of late is mass lings. It's ridiculous.
 
I've started opening double reactor hellion and it's eased a lot of my pain in TvZ.
 
Casio
I've started opening double reactor hellion and it's eased a lot of my pain in TvZ.
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Yeah I know I'm in bronze but I feel like even down here unless I harass early and make him panic and not think about his macro I lose nearly every time against zerg. With Protoss I've started going 2 gate, rob opening and doing a bunch of zealot drops in his mineral lines or going after his queens. It works very effectively unless of course he goes mass roaches which I'd say about 80% of zergs I've played do. I just can't match his production with immortals to stop it when they do that.
 
CMvan46
Yeah I know I'm in bronze but I feel like even down here unless I harass early and make him panic and not think about his macro I lose nearly every time against zerg. With Protoss I've started going 2 gate, rob opening and doing a bunch of zealot drops in his mineral lines or going after his queens. It works very effectively unless of course he goes mass roaches which I'd say about 80% of zergs I've played do. I just can't match his production with immortals to stop it when they do that.
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Stargate openings with a Void Ray seem pretty popular at the moment vs Z. And Voids are good against roaches....

Against mass roach, if you haven't got colossi yet, you probably need to get a few more sentries and split his army up (or block it completely). That way zealots aren't completely useless. I believe a zealot actually beats an unmicro'd roach 1 on 1.

Harassing probably isn't as much of an issue at Bronze level PvZ because bronze zergs aren't going to triple hatch and make 70 drones in 8 minutes if you leave them alone.
 
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Casio
I've started opening double reactor hellion and it's eased a lot of my pain in TvZ.
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Sorry... double reactor rax or factory? :dunce:
 
Factory. Then get a third fact with tech lab to get tanks/thors (use the rax to build the tech lab, really just use the rax for building addons). Get double armory also and start getting vehicle upgrades early.

Work an expansion in when safe obviously. Ideally while second fact is building.
 
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I'll have to try that out, do you think that's a viable option for 2v2 as well?
 
Was that daily before or after the Queen buff?
 
Before, but reapers can still reach queens from bunkers, so it doesn't change that much-as day9 explains, its really not meant to kill the zerg, just a pressure to give you time to get mech army started ^^
 
Gazumagi
Before, but reapers can still reach queens from bunkers, so it doesn't change that much-as day9 explains, its really not meant to kill the zerg, just a pressure to give you time to get mech army started ^^
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It's a lot harder to build the bunker though now as the Reaper can't kite the Queen....
 
Casio
It's a lot harder to build the bunker though now as the Reaper can't kite the Queen....
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Uh, the bunkers are generally down before queens are even out... like when a 15hatch is 1/2 way done or so~
 
Or you guys could focus on the more relevant aspect of the game at that level - macro and mechanics. Instead of cute proxy play :p
 
Azuremen
Or you guys could focus on the more relevant aspect of the game at that level - macro and mechanics. Instead of cute proxy play :p
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Well the idea is it leading into macro play :nervous:


Off of that topic, i'm seriously loving the marauder-hellion timing->mech play tvp... stopped one of those annoying 6-7gate 2base pressure/allins cold and from there just macro'd safely and killed off the toss player slowly :D

Using auto-turrets to wall tanks off and force zealots into teeny-tiny chokes is a lot of fun :dopey:
 
Azuremen
Or you guys could focus on the more relevant aspect of the game at that level - macro and mechanics. Instead of cute proxy play :p
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Yeah I don't really do Bunker Rushes anymore, and I think if you're going to proxy build you might as well go all out and 11/11 proxy rax with SCV all in.

I usually 1 Rax FE in all match ups. Though I'll 2 Fact Hellion v Z, or 1/1/1 vs P a fair bit too.
 
I don't do anything fancy I usually do standard build then build a second rax when money comes available a third. The third becomes a tech lab when finished. Then second gas and factory. By this time I put a reactor on the second rax. Tech lab on the factory then research and build tanks. Usually go with mmm and tanks. Its all I know bow to do well.
 
I just can't stand Zerg anymore. Mass mutas is so bloody irritating. When a guy builds nothing but mutalisks then my equal number of stalkers should be able to take that out... My army was worth more according to the tab and all I was really building was stalkers since my observers were sitting in his base so why is the unit meant to counter mutalisks not enough to take them out? I even had blink to try and chase after them and he still beat my army... just ridiculous.
 
Stalkers aren't really the muta counter >_>

There's a point where mutas become very cost-effective in ZvP, critical mass if you will, because of the bounce attacks... generally you need high templar/archons to deal with mass mutas. From what I've seen recently, stargate openers are more popular now because it stops the zerg from ever getting a muta-ball rolling, especially if you open with a bunch of phoenixes and one or two voids.

EDIT: Also freaking infestor+hive tech in TvZ is so frustrating TT
 
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Been going back to Bio TvZ AM ON FIRE TODAY.

Here's a good replay for those with TvZ trouble. No cheese rubbish. Just Macro into MMM with upgrades and drops.
 
I only really tried bio vs zerg once, and got obliterated by banelings, because I can't micro to save my (or my marines) life

I have reached the decison that as Terran vs Zerg, Protoss, and Terran, I suck. mostly because I'm not fast enough to macro properly and still be as agressive as is required by the terran style (in my opinion)

I'm going to put my effort into playing protoss now, and attempt to improve my pvp. I already have about a 6065% winrate against zerg and terran, but my PvP is like a vacuum. It sucks :lol:. Because I am a slower player that likes to get a 200/200 army anyway, I might as well go for the deathball. My biggest problem is taking a third. I can have my natural up no worries, but I am always concerned about losing my mineral lines to harrassment via drops, mutas, blink stalkers, etc. I know one solution is to have a couple spare gateways at all times for emergency warp ins, but I usually just end up using them anyway. I suppose better scouting, as always, should be an option
 
Casio
Been going back to Bio TvZ AM ON FIRE TODAY.

Here's a good replay for those with TvZ trouble. No cheese rubbish. Just Macro into MMM with upgrades and drops.
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Infestors scare me though!:(
 
With good timings you should be able to do a lot of damage before a lot of infestors pop out. Also Infestors are pretty slow so with drops you can take advantage of that.
 
It's too bad the season just locked in the ladder. I've been winning a lot lately as Protoss and beating most silver guys I play and even a platinum guy although he was just tanking for some reason? Did a worker rush :lol:

I beat Zerg nearly every time now unless he goes mass mutalisks. A few are okay because I like blink stalkers anyway so I can usually pick him off with those but when he gets a lot of them I'm usually done because every time I move out he swings in behind me and takes out my workers and pylons and I rarely build templars which I guess I'll have to start doing now.
 
Well I beat my first legitimate platinum guy last night. A terran guy with 17 wins in platinum in season 7 and 500 career wins.

I learned a new 1 gate fast expand that when I get the timing done properly gets units out only slightly behind what a 4 gate does. I then move into a robo and another gate. Just after my 2nd collosus came out he hit and I killed his last marine with my last collosus in the red health. Anyway by the end of the game I was on my 5th base with 15 gates and 3 robos and we had a max army battle which I was left with very little but after 3 rounds of warp ins and 2 sets of collosus I was pretty much remaxed and just tore through everything he had left.

Season 8 is now live as of a couple hours ago. I'm really hoping I was moved up to silver now. I only occasionally play bronze now and haven't lost to one in a while.
 
I ended up in gold in 7. Trying for more in season 8!
 
I'm 24 rank in silver now. I know you guys won't think so but there is a huge difference between bronze and silver. In 4 games I played I didn't get cheesed once. 4 games played and 2 won so far. I did play one bronze guy again and he was giving my tips during the game :lol:

Too bad he forgot to build any sort of detection. I killed his three bases with just dark templars. I felt the need to point out he should have had an overseer by that point.
 
Well I feel like I'm improving a lot now. I won 8 of 10 silver games today and am now in 6th. I'm now defending almost all 4 gates with 3 gates and 6 pools are just automatic wins for me at this point and I feel like my macro has improved a lot although I still need to work on keeping my minerals even lower.
 
Anyone see the HotS new unit update?

Here's a video overviewing some of the changes:



Then two videos one PvZ and one TvZ with the new units:


 
Widow mines are probably the best thing I see for Terrans. Not that I know much about mechanics of the game but. I see it as a great tool for map control and negating expansions. By way of destroying drones at 3rd expansion and so on. I'm not sure what a widow mine looks like to an enemy but in the TvZ game the opponent could tell which unit was affected by the mine. But in a third if maybe the player's focus is stretched he might not notice two of his drones/probes got mined and then boom most if not all of his workers are dead.
 
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