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Sorry, after advise again! Been on 3 days and I've become a pest already! He he!
I have had a Logitech Driving Force GT wheel that I got from my lovely (ahem) wife at Christmas.
I haven't really used it alot but have just got all set up again in front of the TV and am once again a bit underwhelmed. The steering input is much smoother than the hand controller so a smooth corner entry/exit is more readily achievable, however if the car starts to twitch and slide I find it almost impossible to catch the slide. With the pad I can drift happily and recover most skids but seem to end up with my arms around my ears and hurling swear words at the game (obviously its not MY fault! ) in the same situation.
I've tried changing the degrees of movement on the lap top software but it seems to make no odds at all to the wheels behaviour! Please advise if Om doing something wrong or if infant Im just useless!
P.S: it seems like the brakes are sharper than on the pad, Im braking far too early with the pedals even using same braking points.... I can live with that completely, it's just the whole getting 90% through a long race in a good position only to lose control over a silly kurb clip that's driving me crackers!!!! I don't want to resign the wheel but just persistence does not seem to be helping!

HELP!!! :)
 
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You are a useless infant. Haha just messing with you.

The laptop software doesn't change anything on GT5. The game decides how many degrees it is set to.


You said you are trying to drift? If yes, it takes time man. Trust me. Just be patient.

This little saying helped me learn how to drift and develop tunes.

If you spin out- too much throttle or not enough counter steer.
If you straighten out- not enough throttle or too much counter steer.
 
Ha ha! I think useless infant is an accurate appraisal! :)

Can the degrees of travel be adjusted within the game then? And I spent bloomin HOURS setting the wheel up on the lap top! What a div am I?! (No answers required chaps!)
It's not just drifting though, it's trying to recover from minor cock ups during a race too. It just seems that I can't move wheel quick enough to counter the slide and of I do I can't catch the fish tail. Being really careful and smooth with the throttle (I work with tuning real cars and go to track days alot so fully understand driving on the throttle etc) but I just can't get the wheel back round quick enough. Can the resistance be reduced?
I really want the extra realism of the wheel and pedals - I assumed (wrongly) that as I am more of a driver than a gamer that having a wheel would benefit my lack of gaming skill - alas NO!!!!
 
No it can't. The game automatically sets the wheels degrees by how many degrees the wheel has. So wheels like DFGT, G25/G27, Thrustmaster, the game automatically sets them up.

You can lower the resistance in the options menu, but it might not be your issue. Sounds like you need practice. Yeah haha, I have real life driving experience too (well used to street race a long time ago... No not drag racing), but it is mostly the fact of not feeling the G-Forces that takes getting used to. So experience can either make or break you in a game (if you get what I mean).

Just get in some practice time, you'll get better. One way to train yourself is to use crappy tires in GT5 and drive stock cars (starting from low HP to high HP cars). Take it to the Nurburgring and run lap after lap till you get better and better. Put heavy damage on to make it a challenge not to wreck. If you do start over from the pits.
 
That's very good advice! Thank you!

Suppose it's alot to break out if from a year of building my "skill" level and gaining ever faster cars only to change the control system entirely. I shall take your advise and am going back on! Fingers crossed.... (Or is that arms crossed and wrapped around my head....)

Practice,
Practice and
Yet more practice is the order of the day!
 
BW2309
That's very good advice! Thank you!

Suppose it's alot to break out if from a year of building my "skill" level and gaining ever faster cars only to change the control system entirely. I shall take your advise and am going back on! Fingers crossed.... (Or is that arms crossed and wrapped around my head....)

Practice,
Practice and
Yet more practice is the order of the day!
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No problem man.
 
You will find there is more emphasis on throttle control with a wheel/ pedals. As you point out, with DS 3 you can get instant lock to catch the car and drift out of trouble.

Playing with a wheel also needs smoother and and smaller inputs. As mentioned this will come with practice. Good luck.
 
You're comments are appreciated and spot on guys. Thanks! Been on it a while tonight and that's exactly it, just alot less and slower input for steering. Have to drive rather than force the car round the circuit! Still struggling but it'll be worth it.
I just need to do the Formula GT section of Extreme series to have all of the levels before endurance done gold, my OCD wont allow me to leave one race group blank! I can't do it with my DS3 so practice on the wheel must!!
 
I have been using the same wheel for two years now, and I still have the same problem. It just doesn't feel natural to countersteer with the DFGT in comparison with real life. I mean, I am not race driver but I have been young once and "borrowing" my father's 200+ rear wheel drive on Greek asphalt (that's a joke) has helped me to understand the basics of drifting. I remember I could complete a roundabout several times by looking from the passenger's window ... and my father complaining the next day about the grip reduction of his rear wheels.

Although I have to accept that most of the times I am using my DS3 for various reasons, chief among them that I am lazy and can not push myself to set the wheel every time I want to play GT5 and then stow it away after I finish. We do have a somewhat small living room and my wife doesn't appreciate the wheel and wheelstand as part of its decoration.

So I can't say that I have practised,practised,practised like the above friends advise.

After giving it some thought I have come to the conclusion that maybe it's not the wheel that bothers me but more so the pedal set. I think that I can not regulate properly the accelerator and this has as a result that when I oversteer and counter to correct it I must be releasing too much the accelerator and this has an effect similar to the pulling the handbrake in mid turn. In any case my drift dies just before the exit of the turn even by spinning around or snapping towards the countersteer angle.

I believe that the advice given above
One way to train yourself is to use crappy tires in GT5 and drive stock cars (starting from low HP to high HP cars). Take it to the Nurburgring and run lap after lap till you get better and better. Put heavy damage on to make it a challenge not to wreck.
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could do the trick even for me if my wife and daughters give me some slack anyway.

Keep it up. Some cars are much more driveable (e.g. F1 cars) with the wheel, even if it takes a split second to commit a mistake that with the DS3 you may have had time to correct. You will find that when you complete some laps you will get consistent times which tend to be improved, as opposed to the DS3 where you will have one good lap out of 3 or 4.
 
Once the wheel has calibrated, (spun around several times and then stopped) unplug the wire that plugs into the wall from the wheel. You will still have all functionality of the wheel, but with all force feedback gone. Really good for practicing, long races, or if the wheel is overheating
 
Fastcarguy
Once the wheel has calibrated, (spun around several times and then stopped) unplug the wire that plugs into the wall from the wheel. You will still have all functionality of the wheel, but with all force feedback gone. Really good for practicing, long races, or if the wheel is overheating
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Ah! Brilliant! That I will definitely try. Didn't even think you could do that! Thank you!!
 
There is a learning curve with the steering wheel .. it is VERY hard to correct a spin because you cant go lock-to-lock instantly like you can with a controller

And disabling the force feedback is a mistake because then you wont feel the slide coming at all ..

Dont change anything. Just practice and practice some more.

The way I did it was get a bone stock NSX and go drive it around. It will teach you when not to step on the throttle, and when to make corrections
 
seanneedscar
There is a learning curve with the steering wheel .. it is VERY hard to correct a spin because you cant go lock-to-lock instantly like you can with a controller

And disabling the force feedback is a mistake because then you wont feel the slide coming at all ..

Dont change anything. Just practice and practice some more.

The way I did it was get a bone stock NSX and go drive it around. It will teach you when not to step on the throttle, and when to make corrections
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Hmm, I see your point too!
Funnily enough I have been using a stock NSX to practice. I bought it just to do the Japanese 90's challenge (which gave me 500,000 credits per race and the 878B I hasten to add!...)
It's a smooth and precise car and I must say I found it, along with the Lister Storm, the best cars to get most from my practice sessions. Not tried the Formula GT car with it yet..... I can feel a late night coming on!
 
BW2309
Hmm, I see your point too!
Funnily enough I have been using a stock NSX to practice. I bought it just to do the Japanese 90's challenge (which gave me 500,000 credits per race and the 878B I hasten to add!...)
It's a smooth and precise car and I must say I found it, along with the Lister Storm, the best cars to get most from my practice sessions. Not tried the Formula GT car with it yet..... I can feel a late night coming on!
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When I got my first wheel I sucked so I convinced myself to start of with the AE86 :D. It was dam slow so in Tsukuba whenever there is a corner I usually just floor the gas since I need all the wheel spin and that is how lower hp cars made it easier for me, no need to worry about the acceleration just the steering; well of course you gotta let go sometimes but it's totally different with a higher hp car.
 
seanneedscar
There is a learning curve with the steering wheel .. it is VERY hard to correct a spin because you cant go lock-to-lock instantly like you can with a controller

And disabling the force feedback is a mistake because then you wont feel the slide coming at all ..

Dont change anything. Just practice and practice some more.
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Agreed. Do not disconnect the power. All you are going to do is waste time. You need to learn to feel the car getting loose
 
BW2309
I haven't really used it alot but have just got all set up again in front of the TV and am once again a bit underwhelmed. The steering input is much smoother than the hand controller so a smooth corner entry/exit is more readily achievable, however if the car starts to twitch and slide I find it almost impossible to catch the slide. With the pad I can drift happily and recover most skids but seem to end up with my arms around my ears and hurling swear words at the game (obviously its not MY fault! ) in the same situation.
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you have to practice drifting with a wheel to recover any slide because using a wheel is closer from driving a real car then it is with a controller.
 
I agree with earlier posts I wouldnt disconnect power. Use No power steering, FFB 10, Simulation & dont be afraid to fight the wheel. Also a good friend & fellow Burst member had the same problem as you wen he had a DFGT the wheel wont spin quick enough yet hes one of the best GT5 drifters in a lot of people's opinion mine included, (Im talking about theKingB incase you didnt know) so it can be done. Next time hes on I'l ask him what he did to combat the problem. I could give you a drift setup of hes for the 350z (z33).

I found after learning to catch & regain control of a slide, holding one became far easier, But I did use the same car everyday for months until I felt I was ok at drifting, (My mkIII 2.5 twin turbo Supra).

& Remember only perfect practice makes perfect. You wouldnt train to climb Everest on your staircase.
 
LERK84
I agree with earlier posts I wouldnt disconnect power. Use No power steering, FFB 10, Simulation & dont be afraid to fight the wheel. Also a good friend & fellow Burst member had the same problem as you wen he had a DFGT the wheel wont spin quick enough yet hes one of the best GT5 drifters in a lot of people's opinion mine included, (Im talking about theKingB incase you didnt know) so it can be done. Next time hes on I'l ask him what he did to combat the problem. I could give you a drift setup of hes for the 350z (z33).

I found after learning to catch & regain control of a slide, holding one became far easier, But I did use the same car everyday for months until I felt I was ok at drifting, (My mkIII 2.5 twin turbo Supra).

& Remember only perfect practice makes perfect. You wouldnt train to climb Everest on your staircase.
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As I've explained about a million times now, it seems, the Simulation, Professional, and Amateur settings only work with the wheels that are high-lighted when that option is selected. More specifically, the GT Force, Driving Force, and the Driving Force EX. It even says as much in the scrolling text under that menu. It does not work with the Driving Force GT which the OP is using.
 
On e again fellas, thanks for wveryone input so far. Good to have lots of advise and take a better approach to mastering the wheel!

I'd really appreciate the settings from his car if that's ok?! I set up my cars to the best of my knowledge for each situation but I have to say that most of my hands on setting up of actual cars doesn't really tally with the way the cars handle post set-up in the game.

I think staying with one car is a good plan..... I tend to spend a day on one car, get it all set up and then get carried away in the UCD, but something else shiny and start again! I've become a Jack-Of-All-Cars and master of none!
 
GTP_CargoRat
As I've explained about a million times now, it seems, the Simulation, Professional, and Amateur settings only work with the wheels that are high-lighted when that option is selected. More specifically, the GT Force, Driving Force, and the Driving Force EX. It even says as much in the scrolling text under that menu. It does not work with the Driving Force GT which the OP is using.
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:lol::lol::lol:
When you hit the billion mark it will not matter any more, because steering wheels will have become museum exhibits!!!

Why don't you ask for an admin to stick it?

(I am not being sarcastic, just making fun of the fact that the majority of our fellow members - including me I admit - never spend time to read the "fine print")

Keep it up!!!👍
 
Geopan973
:lol::lol::lol:
When you hit the billion mark it will not matter any more, because steering wheels will have become museum exhibits!!!

Why don't you ask for an admin to stick it?

(I am not being sarcastic, just making fun of the fact that the majority of our fellow members - including me I admit - never spend time to read the "fine print")

Keep it up!!!👍
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I've thought about that, but it will most likely be stickied in the appropiate forum (not this one, but the Sim Racing Hardware Sect.) and they are likely to miss reading it there too. :lol: I'll just put it in my sig. 💡 :lol:
 
You're not alone. When I got a DFGT I had the same problem, and it was very frustrating at first. I actually stopped playing GT5 for a while because I couldn't stand how easy it was to spin with a wheel.

But I've logged quite a few hours now and I spin out MUCH less. The secret is throttle control. I used to stomp on the gas coming out of corners because I was used to the DS3 where I could just mash X and then correct easily once I started to slide. But since slides are so difficult to correct with the DFGT, you have to take care to really ease on the gas (with RWD cars). Give it a little throttle once you are starting the exit of a turn, but do not give full throttle until your car is settled and pointed straight ahead. Once you get more comfortable, you can start giving more throttle earlier and you will get a better feel for when to apply it and how much without spinning.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Well I'm pretty much in the same situation as you mate. I mastered GT5 with a DS3 and went on to platinum it, just got a logitec driving force wheel and it seems every corner has me ending up 180°. For example, approaching a right followed by a left- I take a good line into the right turn, holding throttle steady, now rear end starts to swing out just a little so I counter steer, now car swings around to the left to much, so I counter steer to the right and bang i'm 180° or in a ditch. What do you guys recommend? step by step in that scenario while turning right and rear end starts to swing out just a little how do I successfuly straighten up without loosing speed or fishtailing or messing up my approach for the next corner. With a DS3 it was just intuitive an honestly I dont know exactly what I did, I just naturally balanced it out. Also I got a wheel stand pro from amazon uk and whenever I hit some heavy feedback resistance it feels like i'm gonna hurl both wheel and stand across the room as one side of the stand lifts a little... wow I better stop rambling : /
 
heres my word of advice after going through the same situations, throw out every tune that was on ds3, and re-tune for wheel, i found that going from ds3 to g27 that my ds3 track tunes turned nicely into drifting tunes, the cars are alot more responsive (for me anyway) on the wheel, best of luck
 

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