STi vs. 88 camaro

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200 k in the tight 4 lane city blocks of downtown vancouver is insane..lol. Im surprised i did it without being under the influence of somehting:p
 
Do you know how my "Book of Crazy 🤬" looks like now? Had to cross you out and then rewrite you name in. Now it looks like siezed or something! :D
 
haha. Thats hilarious. I doubt my camaro can hit that. The spedometer tops at 160MPH and i could probably get anohter 10 out of it before it starts making strainious noises.
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
I'd much rather sit around and read chevy mags then sit around reading Import crap like Super Street or Honda Tuning with features like "The best wing for you" and "Gain 10hp for 1000 bucks" I hate that crap. At least with GM and Ford mags they talk about real stuff like Carbs and how to break your car into the 9's
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I agree, the two mags you listed are mostly crap. And the reason behind that is, the people who are driving the industry now. People who would rather have a crazy bodykit, loud stereo, and a huge muffler over real performance.

There are still some magazines that cater to imports that haven't been completely turned to shi* by the Fast and the Furious crowd. And since they've been around long before that worthless movie came out, they don't appeal to that kind of person.

I've seen in a couple threads how you put down imports. Lack of knowledge will do that to you I guess..


Anyways, you keep reading about how to get your car into the 9's and how to adjust a carb, and I'll keep beating loud mouths w/V8's at the strip.
 
Well I only got a V6 so I guess you can't stomp me nor would I have a big mouth.
 
Stock to stock, the STI would win. Hands down. As soon as you add mods, it's an endless arguement. STI wins in the handling department too.
The only thing I want to add, is that the 305 mated with a manual transmission, is pretty much just as fast as a 350 with an auto. If you have an auto 305(which is what I have in my Monte), then it'll definitely be slower.
Could an IROC hit 200mph? Does it have the gearing to do so? That's some long gearing. My 7 is geared to do just under it, and it needs more horse to do it. I had mine to 176mph, and I could only do that on level ground. I topped out at 150 uphill. It was still pulling, but I pussed out.
If I had the choice between getting an STI or an IROC purely as a weekend performance car, it would be a tough choice. I've always liked IROCs, and i'm pretty much a V8 guy. Rear wheel drive is more fun for me.
If you're talking about all around everyday driver with performance, it's all STI. Great car. I may possibly buy one in the next year.
 
again with the misunderstanding of units. THAT WAS 200 KPH in city streets. Lols. And the Z is a V8, so i want to know what your driving monster7. I want to know if you really are, supposedly, stomping on V8's. Back on topic, i was watching Hot Rod TV on Speed today and they were showing a comparison between the Sti and the new mustang cobra. The STi is supposedly the next muscle car, it was also said that subaru intended it to be more towards the muscle car styling rather than a typical import dream.
 
I drive a '91 VR-4, just like it say's under my name. I've run a best of 12.7 @15psi, with the only mod's being an intake, bc, and straight through exhuast. (No cats)

I just bought the car a month ago, after not being able to afford inusurance/college with my '93 RX7. Which ran a best of 11.6 with mild mod's and *stock turbo's.

I'm aware that the Z28 is a V8. I owned one. Although mine was a little more then the normal p.o.s Camaro cruising the street's with staggerd wheels. It had a Corvette motor punched out .30 over, 202 heads, mild cam, 373 gears, etc. etc.

I never got a chance to bring it to the track. And I didn't own it for long. It would drink gas like a dragster, and in the few month's that I owned it, it broke down more then my RX7 did in 4 years.

Also I saw the show on Hot Rod tv. I find it funny that two hardcore domestic guy's, on a television show about domestic's, said they would chose the Subaru over the new Mustang Cobra.

:lol:

And if you doubt my car's strength, bring your car and your wallet any time you feel the need to lose some money.

Just make sure to be home before curfew. :lol:
 
Originally posted by Monster7
I drive a '91 VR-4, just like it say's under my name. I've run a best of 12.7 @15psi, with the only mod's being an intake, bc, and straight through exhuast. (No cats)

I just bought the car a month ago, after not being able to afford inusurance/college with my '93 RX7. Which ran a best of 11.6 with mild mod's and *stock turbo's.

I'm aware that the Z28 is a V8. I owned one. Although mine was a little more then the normal p.o.s Camaro cruising the street's with staggerd wheels. It had a Corvette motor punched out .30 over, 202 heads, mild cam, 373 gears, etc. etc.

I never got a chance to bring it to the track. And I didn't own it for long. It would drink gas like a dragster, and in the few month's that I owned it, it broke down more then my RX7 did in 4 years.

Also I saw the show on Hot Rod tv. I find it funny that two hardcore domestic guy's, on a television show about domestic's, said they would chose the Subaru over the new Mustang Cobra.

:lol:

And if you doubt my car's strength, bring your car and your wallet any time you feel the need to lose some money.

Just make sure to be home before curfew. :lol:
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OOOO. That hurt son. Too bad i dont spend my time on imports and too bad i need to save up my money to buy a vette engine. Otherwise id be there with my bill clip asap. Lol. Lets just drop this mess man, its turning out to be funnier than it is serious. Dont be thinking im giving up either.:trouble: It was pretty funny hwo they chose the sti over the svt though. The svt handled like a friking horse on the track and was losing traction on every turn. The STi was just following along smoothly:lol:
 
Originally posted by 360rider
again with the misunderstanding of units. THAT WAS 200 KPH in city streets. Lols. And the Z is a V8, so i want to know what your driving monster7. I want to know if you really are, supposedly, stomping on V8's. Back on topic, i was watching Hot Rod TV on Speed today and they were showing a comparison between the Sti and the new mustang cobra. The STi is supposedly the next muscle car, it was also said that subaru intended it to be more towards the muscle car styling rather than a typical import dream.
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Sorry about the misinterpetation of units.
As much as I love the Subu, I just can't think of a four banger as muscle. LOL. I understand the point though.
 
On of my friends little brothers bought a 1979 Camaro. He thought he was tough **** because, Camaro's are "Supposed" to be fast. He just assumed the American V8 was the best, because living in somwhat rednecky Alberta Canada, he had been led to believe this by whatever uncles or other sourses.


I felt evil when I showed him the web sites stating that the 1979 Camaro V8 has 120hp.

His initial facial expression had dissapointment, embarrassment, sheepishly shocked. Anyways, after a few seconds, like every other wrench head idiot he continued to say that the engines were under rated for insurance reasons and various other things. He then tried the angle that torque is what makes you fast not Hp. etc. etc. Anything to justify the fact that he paid $5,000 for the peice of garbage.


My friend later tells me that he lost to a 1993 Dodge Spirit!!! Which is a FWD bargain basement car with a Mitsubishi 3.0L V6 pushing 141hp. Enough to beat the overweight underacheiving Camaro.

I am sure he will sell it when he finds that he doesnt have a fighting chance against 90% of cars on the streets.
 
Ughh. That's horrible. I like that body style though. He should just put another motor in it. Hell, a GM crate 350 would be better than what it most likely has in it, and they're not that expensive. I may do that to my Monte. Then again, I may drop some money and go 383. Who knows.
I realy had no idea they were so low in power. That was during the gas crunch though.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
On of my friends little brothers bought a 1979 Camaro. He thought he was tough **** because, Camaro's are "Supposed" to be fast. He just assumed the American V8 was the best, because living in somwhat rednecky Alberta Canada, he had been led to believe this by whatever uncles or other sourses.


I felt evil when I showed him the web sites stating that the 1979 Camaro V8 has 120hp.

His initial facial expression had dissapointment, embarrassment, sheepishly shocked. Anyways, after a few seconds, like every other wrench head idiot he continued to say that the engines were under rated for insurance reasons and various other things. He then tried the angle that torque is what makes you fast not Hp. etc. etc. Anything to justify the fact that he paid $5,000 for the peice of garbage.


My friend later tells me that he lost to a 1993 Dodge Spirit!!! Which is a FWD bargain basement car with a Mitsubishi 3.0L V6 pushing 141hp. Enough to beat the overweight underacheiving Camaro.

I am sure he will sell it when he finds that he doesnt have a fighting chance against 90% of cars on the streets.
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i thought we decided on dropping this. And i hope you werent referring to me selling the car because im not leaving it until after it is incapacitated or until i can see someone standing on the other side of it through a hole in the door. And i believe your percentage is a bit off in my case...i would say more ike 30.
 
Originally posted by Vader
I realy had no idea they were so low in power. That was during the gas crunch though.
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Emissions. Post fuel crisis anxiety. A change in consumer buying habits. It was a dark time for humanity.

In 1979 a Ferrari 308 GTB made 250 hp. An L82 Corvette made 225 hp.

The '79 Civic CVCC-II produced a whooping 70hp.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by Monster7
How is a Civic relevant? Even in 2003 their low powered cars by anyone's standards... :odd:
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Relevant as an example of a mainstream car's typical hp in the late 70s, as compared to performance cars (the Ferrari and Vette)

I could have stated the hp rating of a Ford Granda or something, but I thought the Civic was something this crowd could relate to better.


///M-Spec
 
I dunno much about the Camaro but the STi run 12.8-12.9 but average 13.1 1/4 miles by car n driver tv i watched last weekend... does the stock camaro make these numbers?


For some or one of you think the STi is a muscle car.. u r wrong.. sorry you can't get to be a muscle car unless you are a V8 RWD


STi is set to compete with EVO 8..but it can spank alots of muscle cars
 
Car-Stats.com Report for 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
Obtained from
0-60: 7 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 15.5
1/4 Speed:

thats the time of the 88 camero you guys were talking about stock. the time is really bad nothing compare to the STi. What can compare to the STi is.


Car-Stats.com Report for 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Obtained from C&D December, 1997
0-60: 5.2 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 13.8
1/4 Speed: 104

Car-Stats.com Report for 2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Obtained from R&T November, 2001
0-60: 5.5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.9
1/4 Speed: 103

Car-Stats.com Report for 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
Obtained from C&D October, 1998
0-60: 4.9 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 13.5
1/4 Speed: 107

Car-Stats.com Report for 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Obtained from C&D February, 1999
0-60: 5.2 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 13.8
1/4 Speed: 104

Car-Stats.com Report for 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
Obtained from MT January, 1998
0-60: 5.2 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.7
1/4 Speed: 103

Car-Stats.com Report for 1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS LT4
Obtained from C&D October, 1996
0-60: 5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.6
1/4 Speed: 105

Car-Stats.com Report for 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS
Obtained from MT December, 2001
0-60: 5.2 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.5
1/4 Speed: 107

These time was ran in cold months there for giving it more of an advantage then the 1991 Camero Z28 in august.

Times from cars not as cold

Car-Stats.com Report for 1991 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Obtained from Web August, 2000
0-60: 5.7 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 13.8
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 2004 Subaru WRX Sti
Obtained from MT June, 2003
0-60: 4.9 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.2
1/4 Speed: 105


Even in a month not as cold as any other vette it stomp all of them with a time of 13.2. That time is from not an import magazine :D but that is impressive very impressive!!

Therefore the time is listen by fastest 1/4 time

2004 Subaru WRX Sti (not cold month)
2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS (cold)
1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS (cold)
1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS LT4 (cold)
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS (cold)
1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (cold)
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (cold)
1991 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (not cold month)
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (cold)

and the 88 is no match for any of the fast camero or the STi My proof that no Camaro with equal driver can beat a STi.
 
heres the evo it loses to 2 of the fastest camero time with a 13.6

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Obtained from C&D June, 2003
0-60: 5 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.6
1/4 Speed: 101
 
Oh all were tested by professional drivers at different months which is differnet condition and different wind wave or whatever that will cause it to be faster.
 
Car-Stats.com Report for 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Obtained from MT February, 2002
0-60: 4.1 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 12.5
1/4 Speed: 115


STi is no match for the power of the Z06
 
I've yet to see a *stock ZO6 run a 12.5 in person, or anywhere for that matter.

With a few mods, the STI will beat it senseless.

And the STI is a muscle car. For this decade.
 
hahaha, all this nonsense. the only way a n 80s american "muscle" car can really be a performer, is by upgrading it entirely. they were good platforms to start with, if you changed transmission, engine, differential, susension... well, you get the point. the 80s were a sad time for performance cars in USA, and there is no way an stock 88 Camaro would beat a toroughly modern beast like an STI. if, on the other hand you give me the money that an STI costs, and lemme mod the camaro, it will beat it at the dragstrip AND at the track.

Cano
 
Finally, a point of view with some sense
Well, I can't believe people are still tossing this around.
It's an endless arguement
One thing is for sure, and that's that a stock 88 IROC will not beat a stock STI.
When you start talking mods, you're all done. You're pissing in the wind. Anything can be made to beat anything. It's all how much do you want to spend.
I have to cry foul on the Z06. Anyone who doubts that car has never raced one. They are exceptional cars. People that don't hit 12's with that car don't know how to drive. It's one of the most formidable cars being produced right now. It handles, and it pulls hard. Stock to stock it should behead an STI. They might hide behind their all wheel drive, but pull a downshift next to one and see what happens...........
You'd be wise not to disrespect this car, otherwise you'll get in a position in which this car will really disrespect you. You'd just better hope none of your friends are around.
 

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