Stock rear spoiler removal

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you guys think they will allow an option to remove the rear stock spoilers on cars?

i always loved seeing cars look nearly stock with just the rear spoiler removed.. i mean heck. they put ricer spoilers as optional add-ons on GT4, so why not have an option to have completely no spoiler?

cars i think would look kewl with no spoiler:
Mustang Cobra R
Supra
WRX STI
Evo
Mustang GT's in general
 
cars i think would look kewl with no spoiler:
Mustang Cobra R
That's not just removing a spoiler. That's undoing one of the most severe travesties in the world of automotive design. :lol:

Although I agree with your idea, it may have been more appropriate to post it in this thread. :)
 
I think Black on Silver idea is cool though. 👍 I would like a STi without a wing. It'll make it look more like a drifter/sleeper IMO.
 
Skyline w/o wing ftw!.

I tried to do that in Midnight Club 3 but had to get a giant lip spoiler instead....
 
-> That will be a cool feature. But as long once you deleted the rear wing, it must affect the cars dynamics, not just looks, etc. ;)
 
Well, Vanishing Boy, that depends on if the wing was functional or not. Sure, Skyline, functional, but the optional spoiler on the Scion tC?
 
It all affects the car, there no such thing as a none functional body part. Even if the wing is set at an angle where it has no aerodynamic effect, it still alters the cars weight and weight balance, however marginally.
 
It all affects the car, there no such thing as a none functional body part. Even if the wing is set at an angle where it has no aerodynamic effect, it still alters the cars weight and weight balance, however marginally.
Ok Mr. Scientist. :grumpy: Did buying wings on your car do anything in GT4 when you didn't increase the downforce? No. It did not increase the weight or anything. I doubt that adding or removing a wing in GT5, if these hideous wings still exist, would do anything if you did not increase downforce. No affect on weight at all.
 
I didn't say it did in GT4, I was referring to real life, and imo GT5 should reflect that. Irl you can create and set a wing to create zero downforce and zero lift, that doesn't mean that the wing has zero effect on the car. Your adding mass, your adding weight, your altering the cars balance, however marginal that may be, the effect is still there. If you remove a non-funtional wing, your removing mass, thus reducing weight, thus altering the cars balance and again, however small the effect may be, it is still there.
 
Yeah I didn't mean to sound like I woke up on the wrong side, lol I was saying that PD would never get that realistic. NEVER! Come on I bet they still didn't nail the understeer/oversteer physics, and I bet they haven't even thought about reverse lights and skidmarks. Good luck with the slight wing difference idea, not like PD pays too much attention on what people ideas are. They most likely would stick to having over 50% of the cars japanese. Damn PD. 🤬 They will always stick to what they want and not what the public wants.
 
Good luck with the slight wing difference idea, not like PD pays too much attention on what people ideas are. They most likely would stick to having over 50% of the cars japanese. Damn PD.
I'm tempted to agree with you due to my preference of car selection in other games, but the facts disagree.
TuneRVisioN
They will always stick to what they want and not what the public wants.
That is not always that bad of a thing.
TuneRVisioN
Did buying wings on your car do anything in GT4 when you didn't increase the downforce? No.
Actually, thats something I should check. I think it has been covered, but I'm not sure.
 
i agree, they should allow the option of removing the stock spoiler because lets face it, not everyone likes it. personally i do, so i'd keep it or get a new one. they also really need a larger selection because not all cars look good with a foot-tall ricer spoiler. they need some custom low-rise spoilers as well as lip spoilers and also some drag-racer spoilers. just as they did with the wheels, they should also sell the stock-spoilers from all the cars that come with them (for example, if you like the look of the spoiler from the Mustang Cobra-R and want to put in on a different vehicle)
 
Putting a wing lets you see how much downforce a car has stock before increasing it. Like say the Ford GT has 20 at the rear, as so as the Viper GTS-R. The Skyline R32 has 2 at the rear and R34 has 3 at the rear. The ZZ-II has some high downforce levels after buying wings and increasing downforce. And whats wierd is that the R390 Road car has more available front downforce than the racing model. It's like the race car with a special blue paint color. They both get about the same times with similar HP around the ring.

I see you like to debate Toronado. :lol: Just curious what facts are saying that 440 Japanese cars out of over 700 cars in total is not more than 50% Japanese? That's about 65% Japanese or more.

ENGAGE RANT MODE.

Just because they MIGHT add Ferrari's and stuff won't change how they like to over-represent the Japanese cars. It's really annoying to see so many cars to have 276HP but they continue adding more. :mad: What the hell is wrong with them? They couldn't add the Shelby GT500 A.K.A. Eleanor, but they added pieces of 🤬 like the Honda Z Act and Life Step Van. Who the hell cares about the Honda Z Act? After one drive of it, I wanted to burn my PS2, cut it in half, take a 🤬 on it, piss on it, kick it, punch it, slap it, and more. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I might just forget about the GT series if this 🤬 continues. I'm f:censored:ing tired of skylines. They can add 55 of them, but not cars like the Nissan Pulsar GT-iR or what ever was the name. Come on they had to remove the Mini Cooper 1.3i when so many people loved it. And I'm tired of cars you can't sell. Ignore the graphics in GT2, and you would have way more fun there. Why PD?? WHY?!?!!? Also they almost completely removed the turbo sounds that I loved in GT2. GT1 had realistic Turbo Lag/Threshold. Why the f:censored: did they remove Racing Modifications? I'm tired of them only emphasizing on graphics and how many cars there are. GT2 had over 600 cars, while still having RM's for most of them. Well I'm off to bed, thanks PD for everything. 👎 This game is basically car porn. And who the hell believes a TVR Speed 12 would burn out past 200MPH?!?! AND FRIKKIN UNDERSTEER SO MUCH DURING BURNOUT? GRRRR!!!

And here I go using alot of censors.

DISENGAGE RANT MODE.

And again sorry for the double post. Someone please delete the post right above this one.
 
I see you like to debate Toronado. :lol: Just curious what facts are saying that 440 Japanese cars out of over 700 cars in total is not more than 50% Japanese? That's about 65% Japanese or more.
Okay. I misunderstood what you were saying.
 
well tunervision, you have recieved my rant reps of the month! that was one rant that actually makes sense, and i totally agree with!
 
i also agree with TuneRVisioN, the way pd does the games is f-in retarded. it sucks. at LEAST get like, the Tesla Roadster inthere, not the slow-@$$ prius. my grandma took a test drive, and intentionally crashed it (Accord in the ditch? no, PRIUS in the ditch. HA!) and flicked off the dude in the car. plus the Smart Car would be cool. and for tuning, why not have more companies for parts? each part from each company offers a different level of performance! NOT THE F:censored: ING SAME!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: why do they make the games so boring? why?whywhywhywhywhywhywhywhywhy?!?!?!?!?!?!?! i'm getting tired of Gran Turismo 3 and 4, just because PD made it suck more than NFS. and another thing if you put a stage 2 turbo into a mini cooper it doesn't get a REALISTIC amount of horsepower(horsepower = squared), it gives it WHATEVER THE GAME ENGINE DECIDES(half added to it, mostly)!


don't tell anyone, but this is my first rant.
 
I think it's a bit much to ask for this sort of thing... Not that it is too much work to make it happen, but just that there are so many other things I would much rather have.
I say, let's worry about the big stuff like mid race saves and day/night changes before worrying about this sort of thing.

Also, Camaro SS, that may be your first rant but it doesn't show (nor does it make much sense to me being that I'd never imagine any NFS being better than any GT) (sorry but NFS has never done anything to seriously impress me other than NFS2: HP which still wasn't nearly as good as GT4) (I mean, how can you even compare the two franchises? :confused: :lol: ).
 
well stop complaining!!!!:mad::mad::mad: Nobody is going to care about rants or complain (especially PD) since THEY are make the game,not US!!! If you think you hate GT and NFS,or any other racing titles which is boring.GO AND MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEO GAME!!!!! play Racer and create your own car,adjust your car setting,do whatever you want with the car until you are satisfied.Just appreciate what they have done for us.They try to make the game better for us,and how much effort they put in the game? priceless.Play the game and enjoy while you can,if not.....thats up to you.(sorry if this is REALLY off topic but i just got sick of tired of people complaining.Sorry if i insulted everyone :nervous:)

Well,on to the topic now.IMO the spoiler thing looks like a last idea thing from PD.If you could put a spoiler,why dont put hoods,bodykits,window tints,etc?But if you could put spoilers,why not take it off? Like to see lots of cars without spoilers and see how they handle without them (and try to slide them :dopey: )....

( 🤬 just delete this if its not appropriate)
 
^ I'm definitely agree with you, I just hate this ranter's sprawling all over a GT site complaining over GT, gosh. That why I tell them to read my sig. ;)

BT-> I would hopfully like to see the spoiler delete option on GT5, the Dodge (Neon) SRT-4 would look nice without that "Eclipse/Supra" spoiler hanging on its back.

(:
 
i also agree with TuneRVisioN, the way pd does the games is f-in retarded. it sucks. at LEAST get like, the Tesla Roadster inthere, not the slow-@$$ prius. my grandma took a test drive, and intentionally crashed it (Accord in the ditch? no, PRIUS in the ditch. HA!) and flicked off the dude in the car. plus the Smart Car would be cool. and for tuning, why not have more companies for parts? each part from each company offers a different level of performance! NOT THE F:censored: ING SAME!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: why do they make the games so boring? why?whywhywhywhywhywhywhywhywhy?!?!?!?!?!?!?! i'm getting tired of Gran Turismo 3 and 4, just because PD made it suck more than NFS. and another thing if you put a stage 2 turbo into a mini cooper it doesn't get a REALISTIC amount of horsepower(horsepower = squared), it gives it WHATEVER THE GAME ENGINE DECIDES(half added to it, mostly)!


don't tell anyone, but this is my first rant.
You don't want the Prius because it's slow and boring, but you do want the Smart Fortwo? That just killed any credibility you could have had. As for the Tesla Roadster, you do realize that the car was first revealed (not built) over a year after GT4 hit shelves, right? What do you want PD to do? Time machines don't exist yet.

Why give different parts from different companies different levels of performance when all that'll do is make everyone buy the best parts and ignore the rest? Why would a company bother allowing PD to use their name and logo when all the game will do is show that their products are inferior? The better solution here, IMO, is to make all of the parts generic and just let players put brand-name vinyls/stickers on their cars instead.

Saying that GT3 and GT4 "suck more than NFS" without explaining why is about as nondescript and useless as a critique can get.

As for your turbocharged Mini, do keep in mind that "Stage II" can mean pretty much anything depending on the engine and part manufacturer, and is not a predefined "percentage" of power. Most of all, it certainly doesn't mean "horsepower squared," and that is an exorbitant power increase to expect from most engines, especially smaller ones that don't put out huge volumes of exhaust gasses (like Minis).


I do realize that this is your first rant (according to yourself, at any rate), but please do us all two favors -- 1. cool yourself down before sitting in front of the keyboard, and 2. get your facts straight before complaining about something you don't understand.

Continue to rant as you did here, and all you'll do is make yourself look dumb, make other Gran Turismo critics look bad, and reinforce the positive opinions of those who like the game, like mnm_bmx and The Vanishing Boy.

Oh, and by the way, repetition, lots of question marks and exclamation points, and lots of smilies do not a coherent and respectable argument make.

^ I'm definitely agree with you, I just hate this ranter's sprawling all over a GT site complaining over GT, gosh. That why I tell them to read my sig. ;)
The Vanishing Boy
If you're still not satisfied with all the driving/racing sims between consoles and PC, stop whining, go drive you own car in REAL LIFE!-VB
But whenever I do that, it only accentuates the flaws in GT4's physics engine and the accuracies in both Enthusia's and Live for Speed's engines... :p
 
^ I really do agree on that GT4 has a lot of flaw when it becomes to physics and PD should really work on that. But in regards to my sig, it only states primarily on the most ignorant people out here on GTP that still just don't get it. ;)
 
Need For Speed Most Wanted was more "fun" than GT, but not better, because of the annoying physics.

I do hate the fact that over 50% of the cars in GT4 have under 200HP. If it is a racing game, then why do we need a damn hybrid? Or a Daimler Motor Carriage? STOP CALLING IT THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR. That is false advertisement IMO. Driving in real life has damage, overheating problems, annoying driving tests, red lights, cops, and way more annoying things, and lets not get into gas prices and maintainance costs. IF you are only focusing on racing, atleast call it a Racing Simulator. If they are going to call it a Driving Simulator, put reverse lights, skidmarks, damage, and others, rather than just smoke. If it is a true simulator, it needs all the little things to make it simulate real life, however meaningless it is. Come on, who wants to drive a Motor Carriage in a Racing Game? Thats like having fists in a bazooka and grenade war. 👎
 
^^quote"But whenever I do that, it only accentuates the flaws in GT4's physics engine and the accuracies in both Enthusia's and Live for Speed's engines... "

never seen it put better bro!
as far as takin spoilers of cars my view is why would u want to ruin what a manufacturer has created (art???). Would anyone take the spoiler off an F40 and consider it an improvement???? or an r34 gtr for that matter????
these design and styling features (spoilers) are what defines certain cars amongst others.
what next....put mk 4 supra tail lights on a Honda accord??? RICERMATIC!!!!
leave em stock and enjoy them for what they are.

Ps PD please make next GT better than EPR
 
Taking a wing off a skyline makes it look better, just look at the ER34.

Also we all have different opinions, and we have to agree to disagree. Some people like the color pink, while others love the color blue. Some people like NFS, and some people like GT.

1990 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo lights wouldn't be too bad on my friends Old Honda Accord V6.
 
I agree to disagree lol.
By the way does taking the wing off a r34 gtr still make it look like a gtr????
I thinks not!
a car needs to have a style of its own to stand the test of time (classicly)
i made the mistake of modifing my Holden HK GTS Monaro with a different dash from the next facelifted HT GTS model, not realising that its the little things that made the HK unique...comprende?
I ve learnt the lesson and im sure in 10 years time your mates accord will look **** house......mayb even sooner! hahah
 
CNG
I do hate the fact that over 50% of the cars in GT4 have under 200HP. If it is a racing game, then why do we need a damn hybrid? Or a Daimler Motor Carriage? STOP CALLING IT THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR. That is false advertisement IMO.

^ First of all, that is what make GT different than any "racing" game. This is the first game that acknowlegdes these type of cars, in which makes this game so successful. If you want a racing game, play TOCA-series or GTR. :indiff:

CNG
Driving in real life has damage, overheating problems, annoying driving tests, red lights, cops, and way more annoying things, and lets not get into gas prices and maintainance costs.

^ Are you implying GTA4? Test Drive: Unlimited? PGR? Yes, GT has yet to harness (physical) damage, but that doesn't mean that you have to live in your virtual car, theres your car in real life for that. :indiff:

CNG
IF you are only focusing on racing, atleast call it a Racing Simulator. If they are going to call it a Driving Simulator, put reverse lights, skidmarks, damage, and others, rather than just smoke.

^ You mention "damage" again! Again, be patient, GT5 isn't complete yet. If your butt wants to squirm lot or something, get an XBox 360 and play Forza 2 and stop flaming here. :indiff:

CNG
If it is a true simulator, it needs all the little things to make it simulate real life, however meaningless it is. Come on, who wants to drive a Motor Carriage in a Racing Game? Thats like having fists in a bazooka and grenade war. 👎

^ Well, not all racing games are perfect. Nor does in real life, or yourself. :indiff:

(:
 
^ First of all, that is what make GT different than any "racing" game. This is the first game that acknowlegdes these type of cars, in which makes this game so successful. If you want a racing game, play TOCA-series or GTR. :indiff:

Did I ask for a racing game? No. I asked for a driving simulator, like it is stated on the cover. Don't sell a game with a big fat lie on the cover.

^ Are you implying GTA4? Test Drive: Unlimited? PGR? Yes, GT has yet to harness (physical) damage, but that doesn't mean that you have to live in your virtual car, theres your car in real life for that. :indiff:
Then why the heck it's called a driving simulator? And why are companies like Ferrari being such jerks for so long just to let PD add thier cars to the game? If damage was the reason anyways, then why was there Ferraris in NFSHP2? It had damage, cops, and other junk, and they let Ferrari enter those games with no fussing? GAH! :mad: PD sales would go up if they had more exotic cars, because this is a RACING GAME, NOT A EVERYDAY DRIVING SIMULATOR.


^ You mention "damage" again! Again, be patient, GT5 isn't complete yet. If your butt wants to squirm lot or something, get an XBox 360 and play Forza 2 and stop flaming here. :indiff:
They spend more time on adding pointless cars to a racing game. If it's a racing game, why we need such low HP cars that can't be tuned, nor race others? We don't need 1HP cars, we don't need a damn FIAT 500. We don't need a Ford Model T in a damn racing game. How realistic is it if you win a Ford Model T with no miles on it, just for passing a liscense test? WTF.


^ Well, not all racing games are perfect. Nor does in real life, or yourself. :indiff:
Please man, they didn't even try to simulate real life here. Why does a car run 50MPH without a drop of gas? It doesn't even reach 50MPH slowly, it goes full acceleration until 50MPH, like a penalty. Also why can't a TVR Speed 12 oversteer? Why can't a Jaguar XJ220 hit 217MPH like it could in real life? Seriously PD needs to get off thier asses and make it live up to the name Simulator.

This is why the GT series is making me mad.
 
at the end of the day its all about having options.......hopefully they will make gt5 with plenty of option to siute everyone.......real physics(for enthusiests) and arcade physics (9 year olds) included.
 
Hmmm.... They call it a driving simulator because that what it is. Its REAL. It exists. It SIMULATES driving different cars. (Inaccuratley at that though. ;) ) Its a DRIVING game. Because if it was racing, why is there that wonderful car I like to call the 88 Volvo GLT? :D

There. :grumpy:

Also, TunerVision, why did you make another account?
 
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