Stock Seasonal Time Trials #5 (Jaguar XR-S, Toyota 86 GT - 1/29 to 2/26)

[Hastatus]

This is a thread series for the seasonal time trials that focuses on completing the challenges (i.e. beating the gold target times) with stock versions of the cars. This means that instead of maximizing your PP with upgrades and focusing on getting the fastest laps on the in-game leaderboard, you are attempting to complete the challenges with the bare minimum amount of 'car' and money-spent as is possible. So far it appears to me that PD has been setting gold times by approximately what the stock versions of the cars are capable of. It's also the cheapest way to complete the events because running stock means you do not need to spend any money on your car and the cars that PD has been using so far have been prize cars (apart from the three AE cars) [This time only the Jaguar XR-S is a prize car; though the Toyota 86 GT does include the AE version of the car and some people MIGHT have purchased the 86 GT for the One-Make race; IF they hadn't seen the cheaper 86 "Racing" '13 ]. I do not intend to include the time trials where PD provides the car because those gold times are rather forgiving.

This thread is for people to post their lap times who have used the following limitations:

1) Car must be stock: no upgrades to cars are permitted (this includes upgrades that do not increase PP such as transmissions).
2) Fresh oil changes in order to temporarily increase HP and PP are not permitted. If you have done an oil change recently you should lower your car's power to the non-fresh-oil-change HP level or wait until the HP has returned to the OEM oil level.
3) You must use the original tires that the car came with.
4) No "Car Settings" like Brake Balance can be adjusted.
5) No SRF or ASM is allowed: other Driver Assists are permitted.


Stock Seasonal Time Trials #5:

Jaguar XR-S Super Lap: target 1:16.500
Toyota 86 GT Super Lap: target 1:40.000 / Silver 1:44.000**
*Toyota 86 GT 15th Anniv '12 Super Lap: 1:40.000**

*There are only two official time trials this time around, but since some have access to very different versions of the Toyota 86 GT we should include separate times for each car and see how the times compare; Obviously your focus should be on using the regular 198 HP version of the car instead of the 246 HP Anniversary Car.

EDIT: Jan 31st
**The experience from this driver and other members indicates that reaching 1:40 with the stock 86 GT may be impossible. The silver time is achievable but there is a good 3 second gap from reaching gold.
The official stock car for this time trial must be the 86 GT Anniversary Edition: the gold target time is about the same difficulty as getting gold with the XR-S.

 

[Sasek]

Still rubbish prices... wonder when I will be able to collect money to buy my favorite car.... Lambo Miura... I don't like grinding.

 

[88GTA]

Nice idea. I normally do this because I race in a tuning prohibited league, so it will be nice to compare my seasonal times to some guys on here.

 

[outofspace]

Still rubbish prices... wonder when I will be able to collect money to buy my favorite car.... Lambo Miura... I don't like grinding.

what????? just do the red bull standard championship again & again...i do the same! 2.300.000 every time...it take only 20 minutes :-)

 

[Spiderman_Geek]

what????? just do the red bull standard championship again & again...i do the same! 2.300.000 every time...it take only 20 minutes :-)

Yeah, but isn't that... you know... grinding?

 

[outofspace]

Yeah, but isn't that... you know... grinding?

i don't think so...is there for us to do it as many times as we want! https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ind-that-is-the-question.301423/#post-9286267

 

[Spiderman_Geek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinding_(video_gaming)

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive tasks during video games.

 

[GTP_DeathStar]

Yeah, but isn't that... you know... grinding?

If you do it again and again...yes. But I think that if it is done just a few times once in a while, then it would not fall into the grinding category.

 

[outofspace]

If you do it again and again...yes. But I think that if it is done just a few times once in a while, then it would not fall into the grinding category.

LoL i don't understand your way of thinking dude :-) so where we suppose to earn money from??? there are so many cars in the game above 10mil....

 

[GTP_DeathStar]

LoL i don't understand your way of thinking dude :-) so where we suppose to earn money from??? there are so many cars in the game above 10mil....

Did you quote the right person? I was speaking of the Red Bull Challenges.

...sorry; this is getting too far from the OP, so I'll stop here.

 

[outofspace]

Did you quote the right person? I was speaking of the Red Bull Challenges.

...sorry; this is getting too far from the OP, so I'll stop here.

oups my bad :-(

 

[Hastatus]

These might be the first seasonal time trials not able to be golded with the stock cars. I've silvered both races and will post my times after I give them a few more goes; but I have doubts that I will be able to find 2.5 and 3 seconds on these tracks.

Edit: Jan 31st
Must think more positively. I just golded Roma.

My best times:
(automatic transmission; with a wheel):

XKR-S - 533pp - 541hp - SH - 1:16.209
86 GT - 407pp - 198hp - SH - 1:43.698
*86 GT 15th Anniv '12 - 446pp - 246hp - SH - 1:39.792

 

[no1pal]

^ Agree, especially the GT 86 seems impossible. I took my anniversary earlier tonight, detuned it to 450 PP and still was 2,5 sec behind the gold time.
With my "Jag" I`m 2 sec behind the gold. 1:18.4xx if I remember correctly.
I have another go this weekend, but I have a feeling I won't manage to gold these without tuning, or god forbid, SRF
Interesting idea Hastatus 👍

 

[88GTA]

Only tried the Jag at Rome yesterday but I managed a 1.17.021 for silver after 10-12 laps. After that I kept hitting walls trying to find the last .5 seconds. I'll try later today because I sure do need the money.

G27
ABS 1

 

[Boone]

I can tell you right now, you might not be able to gold the Jaguar XKR-S '11 Super lap unless you're Jesus, Mary, or Joseph with an understeering bucket of water. Walk that water, Jesus. I was forced to tune the suspension. I would love to contribute to this stock seasonal thread. I strive to eventually raise my skill up to the level of you folks.

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

toyota 86 is totally most definitely impossible FOR ME to gold with bone stock. i dont think i can ever find more than 4 seconds

jaguar, however, after running high to mid 1:16.5s lap after lap, i managed 1:16.487. it was almost a miracle i dont think i can do it again...and dont want to do it again as it was really not fun, gear ratio was terrible, massive understeer and small traction on cobble stone.

the key was to really slow down before home straight, your own ghost likely to pass you by but dont be distracted, get a straighter line as possible with 3rd gear and sling shot your car for the straight. youll re-pass your ghost just before the finish line and that was an extra tenth i was looking for.

 

[Hastatus]

I can tell you right now, you might not be able to gold the Jaguar XKR-S '11 Super lap unless you're Jesus, Mary, or Joseph with an understeering bucket of water. Walk that water, Jesus. I was forced to tune the suspension. I would love to contribute to this stock seasonal thread. I strive to eventually raise my skill up to the level of you folks.

I call dibs on Joseph. Jujiro Matsuda can be Jesus or Mary.

 

[Hastatus]

As JujiroMatsuda and no1pal have remarked, it seems like the second time trial will not be doable with the stock 86 GT. I can barely make it within 3 seconds of gold with the stock 86 GT after several hours of solid practice. PD may have built this time trial with the AE car in mind: perhaps it was originally part of the AE Time Trials Group and then they recycled it and added the regular 86 GT entry so everyone could enter. The challenge of winning gold with the stock AE car feels like the right challenge difficulty to me compared to the past time trials. So let's make the AE the official stock car for this time trial.

My current times are posted above.

 

[Ryk]

1m43.604 at TMC in the 86
1m18.589 at Roma in the Jahhhhg.

Both cars Factory fresh - I turned everything off. And didn't do my usual 5/3brake bias to make a lock up begin at the front (Understeer) rather than at the back (Spin backward to the scene of the accident). (So I ran 5/5 stock - nothing nasty to report!)

Both are "first flying lap" and are nothing special banker laps.

I hope to get better (Much better!) getting sub 100seconds at The Mountain may be a trial though. (No rotten vegetables!) I did a second flyer but managed to roll the car. The car felt nice though. I was lifting in several places, and making a bit of a pudding of the critical corners - better safe than entertainment for that darn Monkey.

The fast flowing first section I guess can be taken flat out if you get the car well placed early on. Maybe a lift here means you can do the rest with a very settled car at much more speed. Is it good to really attack the cresting right hander... Get a bit airbourne and sideways? or take a more relaxed line and run off to the left side of the track and have to recover to the right to set up for the big left under the bridge and up the hill to the Left handed tunnel before the first split?

In Italy
The XKR-S felt a bit of a truck took me a couple of goes to even set a clean lap as I was very optimistic on where I could brake for a corner... It seems that 50 yards earlier than that is a good place to start. Like Lady Thatcher, this old girl was not for turning.

But every corner is a place to improve at Rome for me.

Are there any top tips for these cars?
Best place to upchange - best gears to tackle the corners? Handy brake points and clipping points?

(I am now trying to think of any good advice I can give... But just look at my times, any advice from me would be way off that perfect lap that we all have in us.)

I know for the final bit of the TMC lap I turn in near the dark shadow of the bridge, but my eyes are on the dark shadow on the pit wall rather than either of the apex curbs. It worked fine once... second time I was a bit out and just clipped the second curb a smidge too high... and got up on two wheels, then one door handle and one wing mirror, then the roof... Then I remember the local Car Hire company tearing up my hire agreement insurance policy.

Good luck pilots!

 

[nowcontrol]

I just did a bone stock run in the Jaguar XKR-S for the fun of it and managed to bag a 1:16.432 after many laps consisting of .7's and .8's and a .6, you really do have to be spot on with the braking, hitting the apex, and exit throttle.

I will try the 86GT soon I think, It might also be fun.

👍

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

is brake bias allowed to change or not? thatll make huge difference, might give you as much as extra .5s on some circuit.

 

[Dusty1990]

1m43.604 at TMC in the 86
1m18.589 at Roma in the Jahhhhg.

Both cars Factory fresh - I turned everything off. And didn't do my usual 5/3brake bias to make a lock up begin at the front (Understeer) rather than at the back (Spin backward to the scene of the accident). (So I ran 5/5 stock - nothing nasty to report!)

Both are "first flying lap" and are nothing special banker laps.

I hope to get better (Much better!) getting sub 100seconds at The Mountain may be a trial though. (No rotten vegetables!) I did a second flyer but managed to roll the car. The car felt nice though. I was lifting in several places, and making a bit of a pudding of the critical corners - better safe than entertainment for that darn Monkey.

The fast flowing first section I guess can be taken flat out if you get the car well placed early on. Maybe a lift here means you can do the rest with a very settled car at much more speed. Is it good to really attack the cresting right hander... Get a bit airbourne and sideways? or take a more relaxed line and run off to the left side of the track and have to recover to the right to set up for the big left under the bridge and up the hill to the Left handed tunnel before the first split?

In Italy
The XKR-S felt a bit of a truck took me a couple of goes to even set a clean lap as I was very optimistic on where I could brake for a corner... It seems that 50 yards earlier than that is a good place to start. Like Lady Thatcher, this old girl was not for turning.

But every corner is a place to improve at Rome for me.

Are there any top tips for these cars?
Best place to upchange - best gears to tackle the corners? Handy brake points and clipping points?

(I am now trying to think of any good advice I can give... But just look at my times, any advice from me would be way off that perfect lap that we all have in us.)

I know for the final bit of the TMC lap I turn in near the dark shadow of the bridge, but my eyes are on the dark shadow on the pit wall rather than either of the apex curbs. It worked fine once... second time I was a bit out and just clipped the second curb a smidge too high... and got up on two wheels, then one door handle and one wing mirror, then the roof... Then I remember the local Car Hire company tearing up my hire agreement insurance policy.

Good luck pilots!

My advice would be to watch a top replay, those guys are power sliding around the corners, loads of smoke. Not so easy without ABS though, I changed BB and weight positioning countless times trying to keep the car under control under heavy braking. think I settled on a 2/1 and max weight at rear in the end, still miles off where I would expect to be.

"Driving with ABS=0 will turn you into a Goddam Sexual Tyrannosaurus", yep, gave the mrs the rogering of her life last night :-)

 

[88GTA]

is brake bias allowed to change or not? thatll make huge difference, might give you as much as extra .5s on some circuit.

I'm not sure how the OP wants to handle it but in the online lobbies of GT6 set to tuning prohibited, changing the brake balance is allowed.

2nd shot with the Jag last night got me a 1:16.64X

Tried the Anniversary 86GT for 5 or 6 laps and got within .9 seconds of gold.

G27
ABS 1
BB 5/5

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

I'm not sure how the OP wants to handle it but in the online lobbies of GT6 set to tuning prohibited, changing the brake balance is allowed.

reeeeally?? wow ok, then the best brake balance will become the sought after information wont it, just like the best setup of tunable events, though the parameters are far less - there will be virtually 100 different gt86s if brake bias is allowed to change: {0-0, 0-1, 0-2 ... 10-10} which i think defeats the purpose of this event where you want to TEST your pure driving ability with COMPLETELY SAME EQUIPMENT.

but again, person on other side of fence can argue that since TC, ABS, ASM even an Active Steering is allowed, why not brake bias? if you include those parameters in, there will be astronomical number of different car setups will be born.

many cars nowadays are equipped with driver aids such as TC, ABS, ASM (in different name though where computer makes decisions which wheel to brake independantly in order to stabilise the car) or active steering to some extent but i havent heard of changeable brake bias/strength with a button on dashboard.

those corvette and merc events the brake bias arent changeable.

so i think OP has to make a decision on this. and if it is allowed, i personally want to sue him for making me put up with understeering hell of 5/5 bias.lol just joking!

 

[Dusty1990]

reeeeally?? wow ok, then the best brake balance will become the sought after information wont it, just like the best setup of tunable events, though the parameters are far less - there will be virtually 100 different gt86s if brake bias is allowed to change: {0-0, 0-1, 0-2 ... 10-10} which i think defeats the purpose of this event where you want to TEST your pure driving ability with COMPLETELY SAME EQUIPMENT.

but again, person on other side of fence can argue that since TC, ABS, ASM even an Active Steering is allowed, why not brake bias? if you include those parameters in, there will be astronomical number of different car setups will be born.

many cars nowadays are equipped with driver aids such as TC, ABS, ASM (in different name though where computer makes decisions which wheel to brake independantly in order to stabilise the car) or active steering to some extent but i havent heard of changeable brake bias/strength with a button on dashboard.

those corvette and merc events the brake bias arent changeable.

so i think OP has to make a decision on this. and if it is allowed, i personally want to sue him for making me put up with understeering hell of 5/5 bias.lol just joking!

I fail to see how setups/tuning can be policed on this? Trust

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

I fail to see how setups/tuning can be policed on this? Trust

it wont be policed at all and there will be no way to prove i did that sub 1:16.5 with bone stock, its totally an ego thing that i achieved with given regulation. come to think of it, why should i torture myself with paid game? ...im gona drink now!

 

[Dusty1990]

it wont be policed at all and there will be no way to prove i did that sub 1:16.5 with bone stock, its totally an ego thing that i achieved with given regulation. come to think of it, why should i torture myself with paid game? ...im gona drink now!

I like your mindset! I've joined it

 

[Hastatus]

Yeah I haven't responded about Brake Bias yet because I like to think things through rather than making snap decisions. My natural instinct was NO; then I kind of thought what could it hurt (while I was tired and distracted); but then JujiroMatsuda brought me back to my senses. It comes back to the concept of everyone using the same exact car. You must rely only on accelerator, braking, and your driving line. In essence can you make the car do what you want as opposed to modifying the car's physical properties to fit you?

If we allow changes in brake bias, I think there would be:
(11 + 10 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1) x 2 - 11 =
121 versions of a car.

I do not have a problem with TC, ABS, and AS because those are aids that impact your throttle, braking, and steering controls of your gaming device more than the performance characteristics of the car itself (though there is some overlap): that is why they are under Driver Assist settings as opposed to Car Settings: like Brake Bias is under Suspension Settings. [SRF shouldn't be under Driver Assist it should be under Difficulty Setting.] TC, ABS, and AS having more to do with tuning your gaming controls: this is important because DS3 users do have much greater problems steering with the D-pad or worn out sticks and feathering their square brake button than pedal users (I've used both) and different steering/wheels and pedals will have differing sensitivities or worn gears/springs.

TC definitely slows you down (I just drove my first vehicle with TC recently and couldn't get out of my own snowy driveway until I turned it off ). Does ASM (stability, not steering) slow you down too? (I could have sworn it did in GT5, but I have not tried it in a long time.) As for ABS: most cars of today come with ABS and there usually isn't a button to turn it off is there? I've never seen one yet, but I've driven the same 1980 Jeep without ABS for the past 17 years or so...I know you can usually disable ABS if you remove the fuse for the ABS module...

My advice would be to watch a top replay, those guys are power sliding around the corners, loads of smoke.

I rarely look at those because the top times usually have SRF on from my experience. They be "beginners" according to PD.

I fail to see how setups/tuning can be policed on this? Trust

There's no policing possible or needed. Beating gold with the stock versions of the cars creates a very strong feeling of personal success. I personally get a sort of high after finally succeeding at a challenge that I've set for myself. You can be deceitful and lie to others but you can't (usually) lie to yourself.

 

[nowcontrol]

There's no policing possible or needed. Beating gold with the stock versions of the cars creates a very strong feeling of personal success. I personally get a sort of high after finally succeeding at a challenge that I've set for myself. You can be deceitful and lie to others but you can't (usually) lie to yourself.

True that.

I took on your challenge solely for the reasons that I was interested to find out if in fact it could be done, and more so to find out whether or not I myself was capable of achieving the stock gold time.

I did it with ABS1 only and left the BB @ 5/5. The option to save the best lap replay did not appear after I had done the lap though.

 

[Ryk]

Had a quick 6 laps today. No aids, Brakes set to 5/5 (Stock)

I only alter the brakes as ABS=0 means no lock ups no real chance of a dramatic (Insert expletive)-up of your lap. It is a hold over from GT5 when I ran 3/2 I think. - A Bad habit.
In GT6-v¹.°4 The normal brakes don't lock up as the tyres tend to be nice grippy Sports that can take more than the brakes ask for.

ABS=1 is letting the Matrix win. SRF - is letting Hello Kitty win!
When Ever I get the car remotely sideways the speed of the car just melts away - Looks good feels fun but the speed is turned into a big cloud of tyre smoke and rubber track graffiti.

Nothing new to report. I turn in much later than the bridge shadow for the final fast chicane. (Double Jeopardy I named it I think) Love the opening part of the lap... then the uphill into the tunnel over the crest through split 1... to about the finish line I am "Timid like Pussycat" as my Belarus Mechanic tells me. Too many lifts not enough attack into corners.

Still got weeks to improve. Got to get better.
I've got a Ghost lap that is 1m40 or so but it obviously has more HP as I pass it ... only for it to out grunt me on a straight... (Maria Sharapova driving that Ghost lap I guess.)