Stop the madness or is it already to late??

[Vautwin]

There are days where i really feel alone on this planet. You try to get a deal on a car, colors.... u may even need the car to enter a race class and then you get baught out buy a guy throwin 6 Kubels into a deal?!?!?! I mean that doesnt make any sense, the birthday glitch thing destroyed the values of cars around. People having a dozen Ferrari P4 on their hands but no other car at all except maybe the very first one the game forced them to buy to finish the game introduction. Am i the only Idiot who hasn't got 75 accounts???(this is the highest number i heard of) what is that car worth?? If i trade a car:
a) that's it gone till i find one in the used....
b) i made hell of a grind to buy it from dealer or used..

Could we at least get some common sense here please. If u have a dozen replicas (because that is what they actually are) of these 20 million cR then dont act like it is the only one, make proper deals i mean 6 Kubels for a paint chip where will we get?????????????

 

[Uscbryan]

Worse case scenario is you can play the game and earn the things you want. But I do question why PD made it this way? Making us actually have to PLAY the game to get what we want! What a waste of time!! Who the heck wants to race around the track all day in this dumb game? They act as if it is some sort of racing game or something.

There are days where i really feel alone on this planet. You try to get a deal on a car, colors.... u may even need the car to enter a race class and then you get baught out buy a guy throwin 6 Kubels into a deal?!?!?! I mean that doesnt make any sense, the birthday glitch thing destroyed the values of cars around. People having a dozen Ferrari P4 on their hands but no other car at all except maybe the very first one the game forced them to buy to finish the game introduction. Am i the only Idiot who hasn't got 75 accounts???(this is the highest number i heard of) what is that car worth?? If i trade a car:
a) that's it gone till i find one in the used....
b) i made hell of a grind to buy it from dealer or used..

Could we at least get some common sense here please. If u have a dozen replicas (because that is what they actually are) of these 20 million cR then dont act like it is the only one, make proper deals i mean 6 Kubels for a paint chip where will we get?????????????

 

[Vautwin]

I can understand that this glitch is beeign used to get a car you would need to win the classic race car thingy, (still u can win mazda7) ok but that is another story than getting 20 of em then trade em like treasures. If u have 20 of them they aint rare anymore at the moment there are more ferrari p4... to trade then vitz!! That is ridiculous so will the Vitz now be worth 100000000 because the other 20000000 are 10 times as common than a Vitz.
Then i trade 1000 Audi sport Quattros for a postal stamp?!?!

 

[buffig]

I 100% agree. I would like to know that I've earned all the cars I have and enjoyed the game tremendously in the process. People exploiting loop holes are betraying their own lack of ability. If you're so desperate for instant gratification perhaps GT is not the series for you.

 

[mike46and2]

I really worry that the b day glitch will ruin the cool tading, but maybe it will just shift the demand to cheap but rare standards that don't come around as often, should equal to more trades as we focus on getting a thousand unique cars? Instead of grinding all night for an ultra expensive car, what is the rarest? Did you ever wonder if they purposely made so we would have to trade to get them all?

 

[Cataclism0]

You guys really expected PD to fill the loop holes?

 

[agomez]

I did the glitch so I could trade 2 of those 20 mill cr cars for my favourite car ever, the 787b

I did so because I didn't wanted to grind for 2 days to get 5.6 millions.

Now I kind of regret having 'lost' those 2 cars but I'll do the glitch again so I can get them again. I'm the first who loves this game and loves racing more than everything else, but sorry, I'm not gonna be *removed* grinding for 4 cars worth more than you can ever grind for (with my game play time per day anyways)

 

[E28]

I just realised a way to stop this. Make birthday gift cars un-giftable. Meaning all the birthday glitchers will be stuck with birthday cars on a million different PSN accounts, but we still get that nice thoughtful feature PD put in the game.

 

[Tired Tyres]

It's not a glitch. The feature works correctly. What people are doing is an exploit.

By the way, if PD hadn't been so unreasonable about re-winning prize cars, locking access to the harder Halls and putting stupid price tags on some cars, it wouldn't even be necessary to do this at all.

What this exploit does is remove any form of value from any of the cars at all when compared to any other car.

I agree with the idea that Birthday Gift cars should be locked to the user account and not be tradable.

 

[Vautwin]

They abviously made some of these cars you get for birthdays un sellabel, wonder if they didnt think about people going to trade em like candy bars. Honestly, i dont enter deals with people that immediately send such a car on the list because i feel sorry for that car i grinded for or won, to be traded for a car earned by some fast account creation.

@ agomes allright you got the car you wanted. But see You want a car, then you put these 2 on a deal where normal players cant compete, they do not have multiple of these cars. So tell me what are these cars worth in your eyes? Now would you gift me the jaguar or a ferrari p4 since they dont mean nothing to you anymore, because you cannot sell them.
And i suggest u remove that what u say about the people from korea because if a mod sees it u might get banned for a few days because that is discriminating a certain type of person due to the lone fact of him belongin to an ethnic group, means borderline racism and we got enough of that in the real world, no need in here thanks.

 

[Uscbryan]

I must have misunderstood the post. I may still not get it. I know I have been able to get everything I need so far except the Formula GT car (have the money just waiting for it to pop up). By either buying it or winning it. The car trade thing or buying them off eBay for real money seems foreign to me. Kind of defeats then purpose of playing through the game. Seems lazy. But I may be wrong. I'm pretty new to the series, started with prologue, so maybe I am missing something.

 

[AgentGT]

It's not a glitch. The feature works correctly. What people are doing is an exploit.

By the way, if PD hadn't been so unreasonable about re-winning prize cars, locking access to the harder Halls and putting stupid price tags on some cars, it wouldn't even be necessary to do this at all.

What this exploit does is remove any form of value from any of the cars at all when compared to any other car.

I agree with the idea that Birthday Gift cars should be locked to the user account and not be tradable.

This this source of the trouble.

In previous GT's making vast amounts of credits came naturally, the events paid out reasonable sums of credits and the prize car was repeated and sellable.

Two hours of endurance wins you only a fraction more than 4 minutes on the Indy Speedway in GT5. Where is the balance in that?

GT5 in some ways encourages a person to "cheat", after all how many races demand a certain BHP, minimum weight? Very few.

 

[RustyNut]

Blame PD. I would never have birthday glitched if I had the ability to earn a proper car for like the wind without having to grind all fing week for it. I know many others out there bday glitched for the same reason, once I got a 787b I stopped. Believe me, I wasn't happy about doing it, but I REALLY wasn't happy about the grind.

 

[Smoothherb]

The first cars pop up on ebay so... lets make money!
Or just enjoy the game. For me its to much stress to create 20 accounts to get some cars. I prefer some funny races instead.

 

[agomez]

@ agomes allright you got the car you wanted. But see You want a car, then you put these 2 on a deal where normal players cant compete, they do not have multiple of these cars. So tell me what are these cars worth in your eyes? Now would you gift me the jaguar or a ferrari p4 since they dont mean nothing to you anymore, because you cannot sell them.
And i suggest u remove that what u say about the people from korea because if a mod sees it u might get banned for a few days because that is discriminating a certain type of person due to the lone fact of him belongin to an ethnic group, means borderline racism and we got enough of that in the real world, no need in here thanks.

I removed the korea thing, sorry if anyone felt bad for it.

I get your point, but I like every car that has ever being made, it's just that I don't have time to get 5.6 million to get one car that I like even more than the rest, it's just that.

As others said, if PD had not removed the prize cars from redoing races, I'd probably been doing that, as I did in GT4.

It was an exploit in GT4 so you could get a lot of money and so, cars; since theres a better method to get cars in GT5, I just used it.

And honestly, if someone wants the 330 and Mark IV and doesn't want to use the birthday exploit but have earned enough to buy a 787B and we can cut a deal, I don't see why it can't be done.

As for the rarity of the cars going downhill, it's the same for prize cars, many of them are worthless to trade since everyone has them. And with the birthday exploit you can get virtually every car on the game (ok, maybe no X1 or F1s, but the rest.....) and I don't see why some cars would lose their value.....

 

[Vautwin]

That is the point, why did we have to wait 5 years, for a game this short?? Ok they explained sony wanted to rush the game... for boosting sales for christmas..... but come on 5 years for this??? So how can they stretch this game? Exactly implement a hell of a grind. So again. Birthday exploiting(thanks for clearing that glitch /exploit thing) is not the real problem, you want to use that feature on you're system to pace up you're progress ok no problem but then when people obviously get ripped off ( because it is nothing else than a rip off if u trade a 20 million car you didnt work for or won from an official race that then is gone from your garage) against something one made the grind. Then be honest enough to trade that car for a reasonable price. On the other hand, these cars get used by people that own 15 of these replicas( thats how they would be called in real life) to buy out others that grinded or priced the car they are bidding. And that is where the problem is. That 6 Kubels for a paint chip really happened it is not a story i invented.
So not the exploit is the problem but the behaviour of some players that use it is the problem.


Edit:
I might be wrong but not all GT game let u win cars over and over again if i recall correctly? Is long ago i might be wrong.
Thanks agomez for that removal, but we all know how strict the moderators are here and u could have gotten into trouble, not sure but better not get surprised by a 2 days or maybe even perma ban

 

[AgentGT]

That is the point, why did we have to wait 5 years, for a game this short?? Ok they explained sony wanted to rush the game... for boosting sales for christmas..... but come on 5 years for this??? So how can they stretch this game? Exactly implement a hell of a grind. So again. Birthday exploiting(thanks for clearing that glitch /exploit thing) is not the real problem, you want to use that feature on you're system to pace up you're progress ok no problem but then when people obviously get ripped off ( because it is nothing else than a rip off if u trade a 20 million car you didnt work for or won from an official race that then is gone from your garage) against something one made the grind. Then be honest enough to trade that car for a reasonable price. On the other hand, these cars get used by people that own 15 of these replicas( thats how they would be called in real life) to buy out others that grinded or priced the car they are bidding. And that is where the problem is. That 6 Kubels for a paint chip really happened it is not a story i invented.
So not the exploit is the problem but the behaviour of some players that use it is the problem.


Edit:
I might be wrong but not all GT game let u win cars over and over again if i recall correctly? Is long ago i might be wrong.
Thanks agomez for that removal, but we all know how strict the moderators are here and u could have gotten into trouble, not sure but better not get surprised by a 2 days or maybe even perma ban

GT4 did, the DTM championship was the thing to do to make quick cash.

 

[Blitz24]

This game doesn't let you win cars over and over again.

I just did the sub-account today but I wouldn't jack up trade offers ever just to get a car I want. I would always be fair.

 

[agomez]

I understand your point of exploit-got-cars and grinded-cars (theres no way to get any car over 5 million without grinding, atleast I don't see it possible) but then we have:

• People who spends time doing the same race all over again for hours (before doing the birthday exploit I did the like the wind race for over 50 times)
  
  
• People who spends time creating accounts and doing the same thing for hours (you don't get the car you want at the first try, you gotta keep doing the exploit)

I don't see the difference there, it's just another way of getting cars/money (It's faster and easier to get kubelwagen tickets than doing the like the wind race) and I don't see why people are saying it destroys the game experience. If everyone grinded and bought the 20mill cars, we would be in the same situation.

 

[Vautwin]

Gt4 maybe but there is a reason why Gt4 is called Gt4 lol no hard feelings. No but i dont remember if in 1,2 and3 you could or not. I am pretty sure that in 2 of these it was same system as now.
So the solution would be if people wouldn't make such deals but let us be honest, u get an amazing car for a low price who wouldnt? I was dumb enough to reply a guy that offered me a list of 3 cars worth 55 million credits. No other car. Of course he wanted a dtm or lmp car for them. I said i would swap my golf 1 gti for i his miura concept 
Fair deal my golf has been grinded for, found it in the used dealer and it is less common than one of his fancy expensive cars these days.

 

[rampageturke]

GT4 did, the DTM championship was the thing to do to make quick cash.

Oooohh maaann I remember that sweet, sweet exploit.

 

[Blitz24]

Oooohh maaann I remember that sweet, sweet exploit.

But that's not really an exploit, there's nothing to really stop the user from doing it and I'm sure PD didn't care about it.

Perhaps with the online network they need to restrict now?

If they wanted to eliminate exploits an option would have been to eliminate grinding in order to get another car.

But wait, then the game would be too easy.

Can't win.

 

[AgentGT]

But that's not really an exploit, there's nothing to really stop the user from doing it and I'm sure PD didn't care about it.

Perhaps with the online network they need to restrict now?

If they wanted to eliminate exploits an option would have been to eliminate grinding in order to get another car.

But wait, then the game would be too easy.

Can't win.

They could increase the prize funds for the endurance races for a start. The incentive to do them, other than for the driving and completion aspect of course, is nil.

 

[Menown]

You have to think at some point Sony are going to get pissed that people are making tons of fake accounts and start taking more serious action. These people should read the terms and conditions of their PSN accounts, they could be in for a nasty surprise when they find out falsifying information isn't exactly allowed and that all those accounts seem to be coming from the same machine. Might see some bans start flying around.

 

[Vautwin]

I understand your point of exploit-got-cars and grinded-cars (theres no way to get any car over 5 million without grinding, atleast I don't see it possible) but then we have:

• People who spends time doing the same race all over again for hours (before doing the birthday exploit I did the like the wind race for over 50 times)
  
  
• People who spends time creating accounts and doing the same thing for hours (you don't get the car you want at the first try, you gotta keep doing the exploit)

I don't see the difference there, it's just another way of getting cars/money (It's faster and easier to get kubelwagen tickets than doing the like the wind race) and I don't see why people are saying it destroys the game experience. If everyone grinded and bought the 20mill cars, we would be in the same situation.

In my opinion the difference is, if i grind to get a 20million car, i spend time for it. More than someone that does the exploit. I will use my other car that i had to buy, do the upgrades, change the oil maybe even overhaul engine& chassis. Then if i decide to swap this car it is gone from my garage, i have to do the same thing again.
If i birthday the car i may have 15 of them. I wont care and throw them away for other cars that worth much less but that is no problem because if i swapped my birthday cars i gonna get new ones simple as that. No offense but that is exactly what you said you did. You did get multiple multi million cars and traded them for a 787b then you go back do the glitch and replace the cars u got rid off before. You understand now how it devalorates them?
The problem are people that start swapping 15 ferrari p4 and 10 what ever, but they have no other cars, bow far did they orogress in the game? I now am lvl 27 in bzpec can you imagine how hard it eas to get there?? Remind that there is no more fast forward in bspec and the drivers must be watched constantly in the races that earn a little more money. So i think twice if i should or not trade my toyota 88c-v or not.

 

[Vautwin]

You have to think at some point Sony are going to get pissed that people are making tons of fake accounts and start taking more serious action. These people should read the terms and conditions of their PSN accounts, they could be in for a nasty surprise when they find out falsifying information isn't exactly allowed and that all those accounts seem to be coming from the same machine. Might see some bans start flying around.

If they wanted they could, but certainly not now around christmas, imagine the bad publicity and all the people they could lose to microsoft. I dont think they would dare that at the moment.

 

[AgentGT]

You have to think at some point Sony are going to get pissed that people are making tons of fake accounts and start taking more serious action. These people should read the terms and conditions of their PSN accounts, they could be in for a nasty surprise when they find out falsifying information isn't exactly allowed and that all those accounts seem to be coming from the same machine. Might see some bans start flying around.

Has Sony ever done anything like that before? I suppose there's a first time for everything.

 

[Blitz24]

In my opinion the difference is, if i grind to get a 20million car, i spend time for it. More than someone that does the exploit. I will use my other car that i had to buy, do the upgrades, change the oil maybe even overhaul engine& chassis. Then if i decide to swap this car it is gone from my garage, i have to do the same thing again.
If i birthday the car i may have 15 of them. I wont care and throw them away for other cars that worth much less but that is no problem because if i swapped my birthday cars i gonna get new ones simple as that. No offense but that is exactly what you said you did. You did get multiple multi million cars and traded them for a 787b then you go back do the glitch and replace the cars u got rid off before. You understand now how it devalorates them?
The problem are people that start swapping 15 ferrari p4 and 10 what ever, but they have no other cars, bow far did they orogress in the game? I now am lvl 27 in bzpec can you imagine how hard it eas to get there?? Remind that there is no more fast forward in bspec and the drivers must be watched constantly in the races that earn a little more money. So i think twice if i should or not trade my toyota 88c-v or not.

I get where you are coming from and those cars I would never trade.

 

[agomez]

In my opinion the difference is, if i grind to get a 20million car, i spend time for it. More than someone that does the exploit. I will use my other car that i had to buy, do the upgrades, change the oil maybe even overhaul engine& chassis. Then if i decide to swap this car it is gone from my garage, i have to do the same thing again.
If i birthday the car i may have 15 of them. I wont care and throw them away for other cars that worth much less but that is no problem because if i swapped my birthday cars i gonna get new ones simple as that. No offense but that is exactly what you said you did. You did get multiple multi million cars and traded them for a 787b then you go back do the glitch and replace the cars u got rid off before. You understand now how it devalorates them?
The problem are people that start swapping 15 ferrari p4 and 10 what ever, but they have no other cars, bow far did they orogress in the game? I now am lvl 27 in bzpec can you imagine how hard it eas to get there?? Remind that there is no more fast forward in bspec and the drivers must be watched constantly in the races that earn a little more money. So i think twice if i should or not trade my toyota 88c-v or not.

I won't get the 1967 cars back to trade again, just for having them, the first thing I did when I got my 330 P4 was taking it to Le Mans and taking photos of it, since its a car I like and this is the only way to possibly have it.

I get what you mean of other people abusing of this exploit, but thats the same thing as with the race grinding, for me its the same 'exploit' with a different name, the birthday thing is way more profiteable than the race-grinding and you can do it from the start, thats why people do it.

I'm level 23 with 40% of xp points left to go to 24 and If it hadn't been for the way the events are set and the bad planification of the A spec carreer, I might have had continued racing and I'd be got the 787b myself.

 

[Vautwin]

But still you gonna get the cars back that you used to get the 787b right? I am totally agreeing that some cars are overpriced, and that the reward system is utter FUBAR but still making a race over and over again is playing the game, earning credits to buy something you like. And using the exploit is the easy way getting something that should be a reward for hard work. And something you think twice before trading it so easily. Every car even the ones i buy as used i feel bad trading them, on some that i like a little more than others i even overhaul the engine if i trade them. I know it is utter nonsense but i still do it from time to time. In fact i am about to buy a falken gtr race car, i liked it in Gt4 and already i start to doubt if i really shall trade it to the other guy or rather keep it, i havent even bought it yet!