Student Loan Forgiveness - US

[Keef]

President Donald Trump rubbed salt on the wound of his recent Harvard international student ban by claiming a “lot of them” can’t even do basic math.

A decade ago, it was a major accomplishment to be the first person in your family from a small rural town to go to college. You were the “smart” one in the family and would hopefully go on to do something great. Now college is seen as a liberal scam that’s only for elites used to brainwash people away from Christian and family values. It’s a waste of money and they view themselves on the same level as people who graduate from a university.

This is an example of Trump taking it further and painting even an Ivy League university as a joke. We will start getting “experts” with Harvard credentials get downplayed because in the eyes of many Republicans, those credentials won’t mean jack.

Authoritarian playbook.

 

[shadow0460]

Which ones?

Even Ulysses Grant, Andrew Johnson, and Richard Nixon did some good things among the mistakes they made.
I wasn't a huge fan of Obama or Biden myself. I personally don't think Trump has an appropriate attitude to be the US President. The fact remains they all do have merits even if we don't agree with them. They all made mistakes, too.
If you disagree with me, it's all good. Opinions aren't inherently right or wrong, and I didn't buy half a dozen Gran Turismo titles just to try and convince people my political opinions don't stink. In fact they probably do. There are places I would defend a solid political argument, this isn't one of them.

 

[Liquid]

Even Ulysses Grant, Andrew Johnson, and Richard Nixon did some good things among the mistakes they made.
I wasn't a huge fan of Obama or Biden myself. I personally don't think Trump has an appropriate attitude to be the US President. The fact remains they all do have merits even if we don't agree with them. They all made mistakes, too.
If you disagree with me, it's all good. Opinions aren't inherently right or wrong, and I didn't buy half a dozen Gran Turismo titles just to try and convince people my political opinions don't stink. In fact they probably do. There are places I would defend a solid political argument, this isn't one of them.

Spectacular. So you can't or won't. At least @Tornado contributed something constructive.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Opinions aren't inherently right or wrong, and I didn't buy half a dozen Gran Turismo titles just to try and convince people my political opinions don't stink. In fact they probably do. There are places I would defend a solid political argument, this isn't one of them.

This is a false equivalency. Political opinions are, however, more or less logical, coherent, and rooted in reality. I don't understand the post-hoc rationalization here. What's the point of posting if your response to criticism is to deflect with vague humility?

 

[Imari]

Even Ulysses Grant, Andrew Johnson, and Richard Nixon did some good things among the mistakes they made.
I wasn't a huge fan of Obama or Biden myself. I personally don't think Trump has an appropriate attitude to be the US President. The fact remains they all do have merits even if we don't agree with them. They all made mistakes, too.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that they're all even roughly the same. Describing Trump as "he's got some good ideas and some bad ones" is wildly misleading as to the actual ratio.

We don't judge presidents on whether they've done at least one good thing. We judge them on the overall content of their presidency. Trump still has a little under half of his time as president to go (assuming he doesn't die of jaundice), and yet he's already making a reasonable case for himself as the worst president of all time. He's not quite there yet, but damn if he ain't trying his best.

If you disagree with me, it's all good. Opinions aren't inherently right or wrong...

Said like someone who knows that they're wrong. Some opinions can very much be wrong. People who have supportable opinions don't need to try and deflect discussion like this.

Defending the guy in the way you have implies that you think that Trump is roughly equivalent to Obama or Biden, because they all did some good and made some mistakes. That is an opinion, and it is not correct. If you were very, very specific you might be able to find some sliver of policy in which the three were indeed roughly equivalent, but overall as US presidents? Absolutely not.

 

[McLaren]

This is an example of Trump taking it further and painting even an Ivy League university as a joke. We will start getting “experts” with Harvard credentials get downplayed because in the eyes of many Republicans, those credentials won’t mean jack.

An interesting tactic that could easily be spun for many to argue that several people in the Republican Party should immediately step down then, like Cruz, Cotton, & Navarro. All men who have Harvard degrees, Navarro of which, Trump used said degree to validate nominating him as Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing.

 

[Keef]

An interesting tactic that could easily be spun for many to argue that several people in the Republican Party should immediately step down then, like Cruz, Cotton, & Navarro. All men who have Harvard degrees, Navarro of which, Trump used said degree to validate nominating him as Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing.

Trump knows that these educations are valuable at the top of the totem pole. However at the bottom 99% of the totem pole, Trump wants those people to believe that these degrees are not legit so they won’t seek them out. Ultimately destroy the perceived value of college education which will create a dumb 99%, while the top 1% of loyalists are well educated. The undereducated 99% won’t even be able to properly care or research who those top 1% are and where they went to school etc.

 

[Danoff]

There is a certain innate appeal to tell people that their choices in life to avoid college, get a job fast, etc. was actually super smart and the best thing to do. People love hearing that. You're not designing bridges, keeping planes in the sky, developing vaccines, or litigating a fraudster with a vocational degree. That's not to say that a vocational degree can't be the right choice, or valuable. It's to say that college is completely and totally ESSENTIAL to society.

 

[Scaff]

The fact remains...

If you disagree with me, it's all good. Opinions aren't inherently right or wrong...