Subaru Impreza 22B

[buziii]

I'm not a car expert, but I have interest in Subarus, since a 1974 Subaru wagon was my first ride.

I've seen a lot of interest in the 22B in this forum, and I bought one last night from my UCD.

What makes this Impreza special? I read the description and it seems there weren't many made, is that it? Is it superior to other Imprezas for technical reasons?

 

[TweakMonster]

it was limited to a production run of 400 cars, it has a 2.2 litre engine compared to the sti's 2 litre so it has better low range torque and power, requiring less "assistance" from the turbo to get the power out means it lags less and picks up through the rev range quicker, Its also fitted with the adjustable centre diff and water injection cooled intercooler.

Basically its a Prodrive WRC!

 

[Highlandor]

I'm not a car expert, but I have interest in Subarus, since a 1974 Subaru wagon was my first ride.

I've seen a lot of interest in the 22B in this forum, and I bought one last night from my UCD.

What makes this Impreza special? I read the description and it seems there weren't many made, is that it? Is it superior to other Imprezas for technical reasons?

There's a few threads on the 22B already that have details on this car.

I'm not a Subaru enthuthiast, what I know is that it was a limited edition model, the styling of the car was different and the performance of the car was better than the other road going versions of the Impreza at that time and previously. I'm not sure, but I think the 22 refers to the enlarged capacity of the engine.

There's also the Spec C Impreza that was even more limited than the 22B, and in real life some people thought it was a better track car aswell.

 

[Ingram]

They are very rare (400 ish made) and they have wider arches and other body parts inspired by the WRC car of the time. Along with a little more power and a selection of trick bits it makes it one of the most desirable Imprezas

 

[freedomweasel]

There's a few threads on the 22B already that have details on this car.

I'm not a Subaru enthuthiast, what I know is that it was a limited edition model, the styling of the car was different and the performance of the car was better than the other road going versions of the Impreza at that time and previously. I'm not sure, but I think the 22 refers to the enlarged capacity of the engine.

There's also the Spec C Impreza that was even more limited than the 22B, and in real life some people thought it was a better track car aswell.

It's also theorized that the 22B is a reference to 555, a tobacco company than sponsored Subaru. 22B is 555 in hexadecimal.

 

[scir16v]

And the fact that it's a 2 door

 

[dabest2500]

Also, that car is very rare to find in the UCD.

 

[MasterFocus]

It also have a widebody from the factory

 

[lator-illa]

probably one of my favourite Subaru's ever, let alone favourite Imprezas.

In terms of GT5, I bought one as soon as I saw it in the UCD. What I find is that the car understeers alot. But i'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed by a little tuning (which I know nothing of unfortunately).

 

[jonathansp]

If you have one. Get rid of it in the marketplace. You can get some amazing offers as i've just discovered.

 

[Highlandor]

What I find is that the car understeers alot. But i'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed by a little tuning (which I know nothing of unfortunately).

Are you driving it stock or have you modified it in any way, especially the suspension, have you added any of the suspension kits from the tuning section??

If you have one. Get rid of it in the marketplace. You can get some amazing offers as i've just discovered.

I got 4 22B's and 3 Spec C's....maybe I'm sitting on a gold mine 💡

 

[lator-illa]

If you have one. Get rid of it in the marketplace. You can get some amazing offers as i've just discovered.

Such as??

Are you driving it stock or have you modified it in any way, especially the suspension, have you added any of the suspension kits from the tuning section??

it's mildly tuned but I do have the customized suspension.

 

[Highlandor]

Such as??
it's mildly tuned but I do have the customized suspension.

Have you changed the stock rear toe figure that comes with the suspension kit??

The 4500 and 15,000 credit suspension kits come with a standard rear toe figure of +0.20, this can cause horrible understeer in some cars, try changing this to -0.20 and see if that makes a difference. It did for me. 👍

You can change it in settings when your car is in the garage, select car>settings>suspension, bring up the settings, rear toe is on the right middle of screen.

 

[freedomweasel]

probably one of my favourite Subaru's ever, let alone favourite Imprezas.

In terms of GT5, I bought one as soon as I saw it in the UCD. What I find is that the car understeers alot. But i'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed by a little tuning (which I know nothing of unfortunately).

I've noticed a pleasant amount of oversteer on my bone stock one actually. Perhaps we have different driving styles.

 

[Highlandor]

I've noticed a pleasant amount of oversteer on my bone stock one actually. Perhaps we have different driving styles.

Different setups, equiptment, tyres or as you mention driving styles (and skill) can all have an affect. I think the fact that one is stock and one is partially tuned is possibly contributing to there being a reason for the difference.

 

[lator-illa]

I know where to change the settings...it's just that i'm not too versed when it comes to the actual application.

But you're right, it could be driving style. However, I have read another thread from another user that he experienced alot of understeer with his 22B also.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Such as??

I traded mine with a guy in Portugal who kindly gave me an Audi A4 DTM car in return...

 

[dtn23]

One thing to keep in mind with buying a used car, you may want to restore the chassis in GT Auto as this could affect the handling.

 

[TouringBubble]

The 4500 and 15,000 credit suspension kits come with a standard rear toe figure of +0.20, this can cause horrible understeer in some cars, try changing this to -0.20 and see if that makes a difference. It did for me. 👍

I can see how you got that result, but that's honestly not the correct way to manage understeer.

Toe does affect stability and turning. Ideally, you want to toe out the front for better turn in and toe in the rear for stability. The rear at +20 is just for that ... stability. My suggestion to manage understeer would be to lower the rear toe in value by about 5 (+15), add some toe out up front (-15) and lower the front spring rates and the front sway bar value.

This will add grip to the front rather than remove grip from the rear, resulting in a similar handling response, but more overall grip.

Hope this helps.

 

[uncle_hayley_j]

I can see how you got that result, but that's honestly not the correct way to manage understeer.

Toe does affect stability and turning. Ideally, you want to toe out the front for better turn in and toe in the rear for stability. The rear at +20 is just for that ... stability. My suggestion to manage understeer would be to lower the rear toe in value by about 5 (+15), add some toe out up front (-15) and lower the front spring rates and the front sway bar value.

This will add grip to the front rather than remove grip from the rear, resulting in a similar handling response, but more overall grip.

Hope this helps.

^ this.

 

[Highlandor]

I can see how you got that result, but that's honestly not the correct way to manage understeer.

Toe does affect stability and turning. Ideally, you want to toe out the front for better turn in and toe in the rear for stability. The rear at +20 is just for that ... stability. My suggestion to manage understeer would be to lower the rear toe in value by about 5 (+15), add some toe out up front (-15) and lower the front spring rates and the front sway bar value.

This will add grip to the front rather than remove grip from the rear, resulting in a similar handling response, but more overall grip.

Hope this helps.

Cool, no problem, I'll definately give that a go. 👍

I used to run + toe figures front and rear, then a friend of mine told me how many more laps he was getting out of his tyres by running - toe, so I changed all my cars to a - value and found tyre durability was increased and understeer was reduced. But now, I guess I'll have to change my cars again!!

I got bad understeer with alot of my 4wd drive cars after putting the suspension kit on (Gallardo, R34, Impreza Spec C) and they all seemed to turn better and still be stable by getting rid of the +0.20 at the rear, but it's cool that you mentioned that as I'm always open for advice and suggestions, so I'll be busy testing this at the weekend.

I run all my road cars on sports soft, I don't ever put racing tyres on a road car, will it be the same setup theory regardless what tyres I use??

Many thanks 👍

 

[TouringBubble]

In theory, yes. The ideas apply to any tire compound, just in varying degrees.

For toe, these are the basics ...

If the car is lazy on turn in, toe out the front.
If the car is really loose in the rear, add toe in at the rear.

The drivertrain, tires and driver all play a part in how effective this is and how much adjustment you need. For instance, a super light and powerful RWD car would need more toe in at the rear to keep it stable in corners than an AWD car.

Also, if the front pushes too much, try adding some more camber up front. From -2.5º to -3.5º would be a good range on a AWD or FR car. Run less in the rear, but it helps there too ... just keep it around -1º to -2º.

 

[Highlandor]

In theory, yes. The ideas apply to any tire compound, just in varying degrees.

For toe, these are the basics ...

If the car is lazy on turn in, toe out the front.
If the car is really loose in the rear, add toe in at the rear.

The drivertrain, tires and driver all play a part in how effective this is and how much adjustment you need. For instance, a super light and powerful RWD car would need more toe in at the rear to keep it stable in corners than an AWD car.

Also, if the front pushes too much, try adding some more camber up front. From -2.5º to -3.5º would be a good range on a AWD or FR car. Run less in the rear, but it helps there too ... just keep it around -1º to -2º.

Cool, much appreciated for the advice 👍

I have over 60 GT friends and we all have generally the same agreement when it comes to tuning things like ride height, camber, springs and dampers, but the one thing that always causes an arguement is the toe figure. Some people have + toe and swear blind that they are right, when others have - toe and swear blind it's them who are right!! I try and ''sit on the fence'' and do both, but can never make my mind up!! So it's always good to hear an opinion.

I've already swapped once on GT5, but luckily I've kept most of my cars stock, so I won't have to change too many.

Very interested to see how applying this is going to make the cars feel.

Once again, many thanks.

 

[freedomweasel]

In theory, yes. The ideas apply to any tire compound, just in varying degrees.

For toe, these are the basics ...

If the car is lazy on turn in, toe out the front.
If the car is really loose in the rear, add toe in at the rear.

The drivertrain, tires and driver all play a part in how effective this is and how much adjustment you need. For instance, a super light and powerful RWD car would need more toe in at the rear to keep it stable in corners than an AWD car.

Also, if the front pushes too much, try adding some more camber up front. From -2.5º to -3.5º would be a good range on a AWD or FR car. Run less in the rear, but it helps there too ... just keep it around -1º to -2º.

You should consider posting a guide of general guidelines like this. Some real world knowledge works, and some of my experience in Forza carries over, but it's hard to know how things react on the unit-less setups like roll bars and such.

 

[TouringBubble]

I might post something ... I hope you found this useful. =)

 

[freedomweasel]

I might post something ... I hope you found this useful. =)

I did, thanks. It seems that all too often people answer with "you just have to feel the car man" or "there are no standard settings for all cars". Both are of course correct but someone, as you just did, can obviously give some basic tips and ideas.

 

[Planespotting]

Also, that car is very rare to find in the UCD.

Just bought one, and the last Skyline I needed to complete the Midnight Purple collection. Now is there an S204 out there somewhere? I'd love to see one of those as a premium.

 

[Mynock005]

The 22B does have something to do with the hexidecimal thing everyone talks about, it also has to do with it having a ~2200cc engine. The main thing is that the car was a super limited production model in Japan that sold out in something like 30 minutes...

And if you know much about Japan, only like 1 out of every 7 people own a car, so to sell out that fast even if it was a limited production is a big deal in Japan since not every Joe and Sally has a car or can afford one.

 

[GTRedline]

I havn't seen the 22B yet, is it clearly labeled "22b"? There's a 99 sti type r in my UCD now that talks about the 22b but its just a 2.0L

 

[ripping_silk]

I havn't seen the 22B yet, is it clearly labeled "22b"? There's a 99 sti type r in my UCD now that talks about the 22b but its just a 2.0L

its labelled as :

Subaru IMPREZA Coupe 22B-STi Version ‘98

easy to lose it among all the other Sub's for sale,