SUGGESTION BOX: How to structure GTP races for GT5

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We had a good system for Prologue - Now with GT5's new online features it would be nice to hear suggestions on how to structure our GTP races. Obviously as the new online features become clearer, this thread will start to take better shape.

Factors that require thought are the number limit for a specific lounge and whose lounge is used, and how it should be posted etc etc..

Feel free to discuss ideas here.....
 
I have been thinking the same too. I guess many drivers much like the Bronze, Silver Gold method can be divided up, into 16 player championships etc. If we have say 480 registered GTP drivers then we could have 30 championships of 16 drivers, but I guess it would require all people involved to participate as it would mess up the championship with other drivers so may not be workable. Players can be promoted or relegated up or down. That is the kind of system I would like but looking at leagues with other games, like FIFA or ISS pro evo, there are many problems becuase people miss games and mess up the league as a result.


Can you imagine, the entry level league could be like a 1 make series while the top could be an F1 or GT/Protortype series.

I guess the options are almost infinate but for best results requires the participation of all members without fail.

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With the advent of what appears to be a robust online system, I see the tuning houses perhaps becoming more influentual, even becoming teams of there own, with the best tuning houses attracting the best drivers etc.
 
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If we have say 480 registered GTP drivers then we could have 30 championships of 16 drivers, but I guess it would require all people involved to participate as it would mess up the championship with other drivers so may not be workable ...
... That is the kind of system I would like but looking at leagues with other games, like FIFA or ISS pro evo, there are many problems becuase people miss games and mess up the league as a result.

I think this sort of system is perfect for GT5.
While team sports, such as high end football, require every single gamer to participate in every event, racing is centered around one vehicle. When it comes to entry level motorsports and teams run by privateers, participation is often related to funding and/or circumstance. If You crash hard during practice - or the trailer suffers a broken axle just outside Copenhagen the last night before You're supposed to be on Estoril - the team may be forced out of that round.
Considering it is quite a struggle just to appear on track come race day, this system actually adds to the realism. If one player does not participate in one round, assume he had problems getting the car together or maybe just could not afford a lengthy transportation. Perhaps the team even planned to participate in select events only? This is common even among top competitors in high end championships, national and international. It is after all a money sport.
The rest of the field have one competitor less to worry about, and the championship is still alive.
Walkovers like this is expected in all sports without replaceable players, such as: tennis, swimming, marathon, shooting clay, yachting ... or even football teams on a tight budget.
 
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Oh...this is really important to me.

I'd like to see support for people who still prefer to use a DualShock3 to play. I gather, from the TT, wheel users are going to have a healthy advantage so there needs to be something for pad users to enjoy. I'll still play against wheel users but it's going to be mega tough.

Also I'd like to see a series with stock models only.
 
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I think this sort of system is perfect for GT5.
While team sports, such as high end football, require every single gamer to participate in every event, racing is centered around one vehicle. When it comes to entry level motorsports and teams run by privateers, participation is often related to funding and/or circumstance. If You crash hard during practice - or the trailer suffers a broken axle just outside Copenhagen the last night before You're supposed to be on Estoril - the team may be forced out of that round.
Considering it is quite a struggle just to appear on track come race day, this system actually adds to the realism. If one player does not participate in one round, assume he had problems getting the car together or maybe just could not afford a lengthy transportation. Perhaps the team even planned to participate in select events only? This is common even among top competitors in high end championships, national and international. It is after all a money sport.
The rest of the field have one competitor less to worry about, and the championship is still alive.
Walkovers like this is expected in all sports without replaceable players, such as: tennis, swimming, marathon, shooting clay, yachting ... or even football teams on a tight budget.


Very true, I guess if an individual was not able to participate then it is just a DNF/DNS like in real life, and only 15 out of the 16 can start on the grid. Perhaps if somebody is particularly unreliable and misses more races than acceptable then perhaps they can be disqualified etc.

To make it work though I would imagine region specific championships, just like in the USA with Ice hockey, baseball and American football, leagues are split into regions, saves one team having to travel several thousand miles to play another team. In GTP's case with many members being in different times zones it would be hard to maintain a league of 16 players with many people operating out of different time zones.

I am not sure how we could do it, perhaps for official GTP leagues in the way we describe, with multiple championships etc. Each weekend a single race could take place, where a driver would have the opportunity to practice and qualify etc.

As for managing the whole thing, I guess for each race that takes place, we can have allocated people to watch live or review races for any incidents where drivers may have been bumped off etc.

I think GT5 from what we know will let us record the whole race live, so if say I got bumped off the track illegally then I could report the incident to be reviewed by a GTP mod/admin or any other member that has been allocated the job of being referee. Of course with a 32 person lobby, 16 referees can be watching every racer, but if we have 30 leagues running simultaniously then we may be a little short on refs!!


If we did have say 30 leagues from entry level to the top level, split amongs 480 players, if we have more players wanting to join up, then we can either create another league to sit at the bottom, or simply new drivers can wait for the season to end, with the bottom 2 or 3 of the bottom league can be exited out of the championship, giving 2 or 3 new guys the chance. Imagine starting at the bottom of the lowest division and working your way up, would be great!!

Each league could run 10 races over 10 weeks on 10 tracks, for a fast turn around.

Initially, much like the gold bronze and silver divisional system we have in place now, a qualifer will determine what league/class you start in and once that has taken place at the end of the season, new drivers wanting to participate will simply have to start in the bottom leagues and work there way up.

I guess their is a lot to be worked out, but the possibilites are very exciting.:)
 
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OK, after reading all this so far I like the idea of regional leagues. What about progression though? Personally I'd like to be able to work my way up the rankings.

EXAMPLE: We all start off in the same league...racing small cars on tighter tracks in a 12 event championship, for instance. After that championship has been completed the best X amount/percentage of players per region progress to the next level of motor-sports...say to hot hatches like the Golf GTI, Honda Civic Type R, Ford Focus ST etc...

Eventually you'll have the cream of the crop rise to the ultimate Formula events while the rest of us will naturally find our sweet spot and enjoy racing with other like-minded people with the same abilities.

Just to add people can be promoted and demoted per season.
 
Personally, I'm not amazing. Can't Gold every license, can't beat all the driving missions. But I'm certainly good enough to race other people. I have beaten the GT4/3/2 Sim modes.
So I guess I'd find myself in Bronze and possibly silver after I improve my line and finesse.
I think that system sounds great to me!
Also, consider Bspec racing. GT5 has a promising looking BSpec mode and we could get racing directors face off against other teams- imagine if we had pre determined racing teams, identifiable by colour if applicable, and it worked just like Formula 1, where the team score is alongside driver score!
 
I think the first thing people would have to provide is how often they are likely to play (daily, weekly, weekends only etc). There would be nothing worse than going into a league of 30 and only 3 people participating.
Then regional or accepted global time divisions for the races to take place.
Then there would be a qualifier (or qualifiers) to determine which skill division you will be put into.
In the races, points could be allocated for finishing positions, fastest lap and positions gained from starting position to finish.
These points would then be put into a league table, and the league could consist of say 10 or 12 races. The top 3 (depending on the size of the league) would be promoted and from the division above the bottom 3 would be relegated.

Thats my twopenneth anyway!
 
Personally, I'm not amazing. Can't Gold every license, can't beat all the driving missions. But I'm certainly good enough to race other people. I have beaten the GT4/3/2 Sim modes.
So I guess I'd find myself in Bronze and possibly silver after I improve my line and finesse.
I think that system sounds great to me!
Also, consider Bspec racing. GT5 has a promising looking BSpec mode and we could get racing directors face off against other teams- imagine if we had pre determined racing teams, identifiable by colour if applicable, and it worked just like Formula 1, where the team score is alongside driver score!

I'd rather do the 24H races myself, B-SPEC seems like an unfair advantage over A-SPEC, I don't know, but that's my opinion. I feel as if you are fast forwarding that race you are fast forwarding your completion, which is kind of like cheating.

Now going on topic, I think there should be seperation of drivers, and pad users/wheel users. Also knowing when people normally go online at what time.
 
The only thing that matters is that we are in very professional hands 👍 (GTP race admin group). But all the ideas are welcomed nevertheless, I'm sure. :)
 
I'd like to see support for people who still prefer to use a DualShock3 to play. I gather, from the TT, wheel users are going to have a healthy advantage so there needs to be something for pad users to enjoy. I'll still play against pad users but it's going to be mega tough.

snap! i'm a pad user.

Personally, I'm not amazing. Can't Gold every license, can't beat all the driving missions. But I'm certainly good enough to race other people. I have beaten the GT4/3/2 Sim modes.
So I guess I'd find myself in Bronze and possibly silver after I improve my line and finesse

again, snap. An idea is to race against people of the same skill sometimes to make it more of a challenge.
 
Are people with the "GTP" at the start of their PSN name the only ones excepted into it?
Forgive me, but I've never joined an online "clan" on my PS3.
 
Are people with the "GTP" at the start of their PSN name the only ones excepted into it?
Forgive me, but I've never joined an online "clan" on my PS3.

same here actually, i don't have "gtp" infront of my name so...
 
Hello guys!

I know you are discussing how to structure GTP races for GT5, but i have another question, didnt know where to post it.
How do I become GTP racer/member.
Do I just create new account with GTP in front of my name, or do I need to get permission from some of you administrators or something.
 
Hello guys!

I know you are discussing how to structure GTP races for GT5, but i have another question, didnt know where to post it.
How do I become GTP racer/member.
Do I just create new account with GTP in front of my name, or do I need to get permission from some of you administrators or something.

This should answer everything, its the wrs, they have organised online time trials using prologue.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117
 
^Just go for it mate.
Means having to set up another tag on your PS3 that's all.
 
I'm like a lot of others on here. Play when "I" have the time, don't have a GTP tag with my name or any other "Tags". With that being said I'm a clean racer try my best to be if I run someone off the track I slow down and let them back in front of me. I have raced GT5P online with others using "Teamspeak". Now with that history how about a room for "Guest" such as myself. I would even be willing to run some team races to fill in for someone that can't be online. Let me know what you think about "The Crazy:crazy: Opelgt1969's" ideals:idea:
 
I think the first thing people would have to provide is how often they are likely to play (daily, weekly, weekends only etc). There would be nothing worse than going into a league of 30 and only 3 people participating.
Then regional or accepted global time divisions for the races to take place.
Then there would be a qualifier (or qualifiers) to determine which skill division you will be put into.
In the races, points could be allocated for finishing positions, fastest lap and positions gained from starting position to finish.
These points would then be put into a league table, and the league could consist of say 10 or 12 races. The top 3 (depending on the size of the league) would be promoted and from the division above the bottom 3 would be relegated.

Thats my twopenneth anyway!

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Yes, I have the same issues; while there are a number of GTP_ers racing online; most are racing during my workday, and the only time for a good race (full grid; same cars e.g. Amuse 350Z at Fujii 700 pp) is on the weekend.

Plus I appreciate racing with the better racers as well as those with similar abilities.

My loonie's worth:lol:
 
Im very keen to be part of the WRS stuff here at GTP, kudos to those involved in setting it up and managing it all, it seems well organised. I however dont have prologue so havent yet entered my trial time to gain a licence/classification for the races.

I had an idea however about the WRS custodians needing to formulate a new licence test (i.e. car and track combination) within GT5 for the uninitiated (like me) who arent involved yet and get everyone involved in na little game.

Given that we dont yet know the specific details about premium cars or track numbers, we could have a public poll about the exact number of Premium Cars in GT5. The 'prize' for the winner would be the honour of selcting the car/track combination for the licence test to quality for WRS races here at GTP. As a tie breaker, we could also nominate the number of distinct tracks contained within the game (i.e. to avoid confusion on this issue, its the number of discrete selectable options of tarmac/dirt/snow tracks excluding reverse options which im guessing could be selected from a track selction menu within the game or compliled by people here at GTP if no specific menu is available). Hopefully thats a simple process! ;)

Anyway, lets hear people's thoughts on this and if one of the mods wants to take it on and set up the comp/poll it could be a fun buildup to November....
 
Scratch that, I just beat the last Driving Mission (that blasted Skyline Slipstream one).
But yes, I'm completely new to online clans, I understand perfectly how it works and everything, just never been in one.
I am eagerly looking forward to driving against people from GTPlanet...
But you all seem like pros, I hope there are people in Bronze that would match my skill level. It would be great to have eval. runs (maybe a time trial) to decide who makes it in to which league.
Or we could have it like Starcraft II where you do a set of preliminary races with other people who want in and it's decided by ref spectators or something.
 
But you all seem like pros, I hope there are people in Bronze that would match my skill level.

Don't worry bro, there are different classes with different skill levels. When you race against GTPers all it means is that you don't get the guys that use GT as a demolition derby, but you get guys that want to seriously enjoy clean racing - accidents do happen, but you know it's not intentional:tup:
 
i'm certainly not pro mate:tup: i consider myself the average pad user that is occasionally quick. I don't have gtp in my name but... what if i added it to the comment thing underneath the name?? if not i'll make new account.

Just so you know how average i am mate lol i have 34 golds, 2 silver and 4 bronze.:)...standard physics though
 
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I think we will need a new qualifier for the new game (especially physics); and thus establish new divisions for GT5 online.

In GT5 online I would like to race against equally ranked drivers, but also with higher ranked drivers (I hope they are agreeable:)).
 
I love to race a good clean race, but I am really bad at racing. I've tried to improve in every way possible, but I'm still at best a novice. That's why I've been shy to make a GTP tag and race online in Prologue. Once the real thing drops though, I'm be sure to join GTP in last place :D
 
It should be possible to make a world cup style tournament.

Lots of small groups (4-6 players in each), in each of these groups the players will race against only thoses in the group. Points will be awarded to finishing position, the winner and runner up will advance to a knockout type session, these will be a 1v1 race with the winner advancing, and continue until a winner is found.

the groups could be decided by all interested being put into a hat and drawn randomly, this should hopefully mix the groups up a bit or there could be seeds, with the better racers getting byes. Loads of options.
 
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