SUGGESTION BOX: How to structure GTP races for GT5

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GT PSP is made better by them. There should be Time Trials and reaching '300mph' clubs once GT5 is out.
 
BlacqueJacques
I think we will need a new qualifier for the new game (especially physics); and thus establish new divisions for GT5 online.
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I PM'd Sphinx awhile back and asked him if all the GTP's would have to requalify to fill up the divisions and he said yes since the physics would be changing. He said they would put together a new qualifier once the game is out.

That was earlier in the summer, for what it's worth.

Fine Print: 'Everything is subject to change'
 
I don't want to make a an Account that is GTP-PSN because first I don't have time for switching through accounts, I have friends on my PS3, I don't get how to do the race with the mazda, I've read the whole thing 3 times, still don't get it, asked about everybody, still don't get it, I'm just racing with my PSN I don't need all the trouble, with the GTP tag thing. And I don't even know how to Copy the game into the new account. And how do I magically get Ghost time laps, turn them into replays, and send them via PM to the user who controls these things, non of this stuff makes sense, but it's probably all my fault :banghead::irked::mad::mad::ouch::ouch:
 
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andy63
Stig, i am more average than you. See you on the Leaderboards mate! LOL
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LOL i aint no leaderboard driver, just like to think i'm quick to average. How are you more average?👍 plus i only use a pad

+ that was in standard physics :P
 
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My guess is that there should be private rooms for each division just to keep the racing close and just schedule a time for the event like :00, :15, :30 and etc. just like the online event. Maybe a freerun event right before and official race weekend event racing for points to add up for the whole season. We can also divide that up to classes of cars like, vintage, cup cars, muscle cars, TT cars, NASCAR, LeMans, Formula or open wheel and Rally. That way we have title events for every style race cars for drivers championship.
 
I would be happy with the ability for users to create online race series not necessarily affilated with leagues and or the ability to create a race tournament. For a simple two round tournament, the following is how I would like it to work.
  • Round one up to (16) races of (16) drivers ran at the same time on the same track
  • Round Two: Winners from round one advance to round two
  • Set check in time (pre-register for round one)
  • this could be days or even a week in advance etc.
  • Set when qualifying starts (could be 24 hours before round one starts) or could be random starting position.
  • Set entry fee for race (there would be pre-defined caps based on skill level or maybe no of events you have organized).
  • Set prizes and how they pay out, again would be pre-defined limits
  • Of course all the usually settings can be set, car restriction, power settings, etc.
  • Round two can even be a differnt track and number of laps and usually would be.

The above could work for (3) round event (4) round event etc., would just allow much larger field of drivers at the very start of round one.
 
Some leagues offer the use of their scoring hardware. You pick the track, date, type of cars, etc.... and after the race you submit the results and they do the rest. You get a link so that the drivers can view the results and point spread. Nothing to join. And if you like, they will also post the event on their calander so others can enter if it is a open event.:)
 
How do other communities arrange racers/championships? I guess with what we already know about GT5's online features allows us some flexibilty in respect to racers that we did not have before with prologue. I guess with private lobbies our only limiting factor is our imagination!

I would personally like a system of championships that reflects real life to a degree. Like in real life a racer would start out in a lower domestic championship, and if good enough would be signed by bigger and better teams with the end possibilty if the said driver is good engouh to be signed for an F1 team at his/hers pinnacle.

To mirror this kind of progression a system of promotion and relegation would be great to achive this, with the top 2-3 drivers in a championship being promoted to the league above them, with the bottom 3 being ejected to division below.

We could split the zones, america could have 3 domestic competition structure representing the different time zones. Europe could also have say 2-3, with west, central and east having there own championships as well as Asia. With in each Zone depending on participants there are multiple divisions, with multiple classes of race/vehicle type. The top guys in each of the number 1 domestic leagues could then compete in a GTP world championship.


An example for USA, split in to 3 time zones of East/West/Central. Each championship has 16 players, with 10 divisons in each time zone made up of different championships with different car classes. What classes are in which divison obviously could be up for debate, below is just an example.

The top 5 in each zone of the top (prototype championship) at the end of the season with say 1 of the fastest 6th places can be entered in a single USA 16 car championship, say like Nascar for instance. The top divers of that championship at the end can then compete with the other top guys of there respective leagues and divisons in europe/asia in a GTP world championship.


West
USA Western Division GTP-USA-Western

1: GTP US-W-Prototype Championship
2: GTP-US-W-GT1 championship
3: GTP-US-W-GT2 championship
4: GTP-US-W-Touring car championship
5: GTP-US-W-Lotus Elis Cup
6: GTP-US-W-250bhp-FWD championship
7: GTP-US-W-Viper Cup
8: GTP-US-W-Muscle car cup
9: GTP-US-W-Yaris cup
10:GTP-US-W-Karting Cup

Central
USA Central Division GTP-USA-Cental

1: GTP US-C-Prototype Championship
2: GTP-US-C-GT1 championship
3: GTP-US-C-GT2 championship
4: GTP-US-C-Touring car championship
5: GTP-US-C-Lotus Elis Cup
6: GTP-US-C-250bhp-FWD championship
7: GTP-US-C-Viper Cup
8: GTP-US-C-Muscle car cup
9: GTP-US-C-Yaris cup
10:GTP-US-C-Karting Cup

East
USA Eastern Division GTP-USA-Easten


1: GTP US-E-Prototype Championship
2: GTP-US-E-GT1 championship
3: GTP-US-E-GT2 championship
4: GTP-US-E-Touring car championship
5: GTP-US-E-Lotus Elis Cup
6: GTP-US-E-250bhp-FWD championship
7: GTP-US-E-Viper Cup
8: GTP-US-E-Muscle car cup
9: GTP-US-E-Yaris cup
10:GTP-US-E-Karting Cup


After season

GTP-US-WCE-Nascar championship


Its all just off the top of my head, but something with this kind of structure would be great.
 
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PAPPACLART
1: GTP US-W-Prototype Championship
2: GTP-US-W-GT1 championship
3: GTP-US-W-GT2 championship
4: GTP-US-W-Touring car championship
5: GTP-US-W-Lotus Elis Cup
6: GTP-US-W-250bhp-FWD championship
7: GTP-US-W-Viper Cup
8: GTP-US-W-Muscle car cup
9: GTP-US-W-Yaris cup
10:GTP-US-W-Karting Cup
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I can't answer your question but I do like the structure. I mean cars and such can be decided and changed per season and, maybe, add a Formula championship above Prototypes.

Generally though it would feel great to work your way up to the top of the tree.
 
Vincent Viceroy
I can't answer your question but I do like the structure. I mean cars and such can be decided and changed per season and, maybe, add a Formula championship above Prototypes.

Generally though it would feel great to work your way up to the top of the tree.
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It would be great, just perhaps a little hard to keep all the admin up todate with regards to who raced or not, results etc. I guess it would be the responsibility of a participant from each league to update mods/admins on the forums on results/points etc.

It is all workable, just needs a reliable and helpfull bunch of GTP'ers to make it work.
 
I like where this is going. Keep the feedbacks going guys, you'll never know we might come up with the best SIM racing ever.

How about a licensing test to qualify who can enter a particular series. It would be a good way of filtering out novice or bad drivers from the good ones. With regards to East, Central and West that would be nice if we got so big that we had so many drivers online. But I'm sure we would have a small lineup of drivers to begin with. I'm sure it will all be sorted out as we learn more of what GT5 has to offer. Also with prize money, I think some sort of Pay Pal system might work.
 
Great, I'm a pad user too. I'm looking in to Logitech wheels for the summer, though.
I should think I'm fairly average, but I can race pretty decently.
There is just one problem... I want to race purpose built racing vehicles. I do not want to race a go-kart or a Yaris. Just because I'm not a amazing driver doesn't mean I need to drive an Elise.
 
Lasdul
Great, I'm a pad user too. I'm looking in to Logitech wheels for the summer, though.
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same, i'm looking into the g25 option myself...never been behind the wheel in real life so i'd love to get an experience and i think gt5 is the game to offer that experience:)
 
Well, I qualified in Div3 Bronze for the WRS with a few laps, even so, I'm more up to par with the Div4 Gold times, so I'm actually slower than a simple test measured and the RX7 is actually quite easy to drive. Dividing the drivers into tiers as is with WRS is the most reasonable approach, but I would like to see some more complex tests to see who's who when it comes to drive fast.

That's why I'm right here and right now proposing:

:: The official GTP license tests ::

For instance, we could perfectly gather the WRS race admins ( Vaxen, Sphinx, Kevin ) to elaborate the license tests, they actually are masters when it comes to elaborate cool and challenging combos for the WRS race series, and I'm sure they would be able to define, say 15 time attack challenges on specific cars, specific tracks and specific tire compounds.

The combined best times of all challenges would then be stored, after we have some samples ( say above 50 entrants with all the 15 challenges submitted ), we could start dividing the best from the worst ( that's were I would be :dopey: ).

So, what do you guys think? I think it's doable. ;)
 
Hmm... But how can we set up these challenges? We can't place cones or anything.
Wait a second, maybe we can incorporate the track editor in to this, and have specially made courses designed to test your skill?
 
That's not what I meant dude, use the tracks in the game, Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Nurburgring, La Sarthe.... just like the original license tests, but comparing each GTP driver to another, and using some nasty combos, like a Ford GT LM on N2 tires around Laguna seca ( You'll be corkscrewed ;) ), or an SLR Mclaren around the nurburgring, or whatever event the admins could possibly think of ( a clever mix of drivetrain layouts, tracks and tires ). The focus is to test the skills within pre defined situations, comparing my laps, to your laps, to Spyrrari laps we could define who will go for which division.
 
I know on this forum there are some AMAZINGLY fast drivers.

I'm not the fastest driver in the world although I'm able to drive consistently against the A.I. and beat them on most occasions.

I know some people would absolutely cream me in races :P

To help make online races fairer, I think matchmaking would be a good idea if players of similar skillsets are pitted against each other. I'm not sure how they would implement this though.
 
Oh, I thought you meant something more... Original. Nevertheless, interesting.
But it might be a good idea to consider using the Track Editor also.
 
snake900
What is this GTP Bronze, Silver and Gold division thing?

Is this some exclusive club for the best drivers on this board?
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It's the three divisions, with the drivers getting more skilled the higher up.
 
snake900
What is this GTP Bronze, Silver and Gold division thing?

Is this some exclusive club for the best drivers on this board?
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Not even close, I'm on it so you can see the Weekly Racing Series accepts even the lamest drivers. :lol:

It's a time attacking competition, there's the racing series and time trials sub-forums, you'll find more info there. But basically people at GTP gather to enter time attack challenges, the only prerequisite is to agree with the clean racing rules, which are explained on that very same subforum too.

Also, there's 5 divisions, composed of three tiers each, totalizing 15 classes of drivers. There's Div 1 Gold, seconded by Div 1 Silver and then Bronze, and then Div 2 Gold, Silver....
 
Dan_
Not even close, I'm on it so you can see the Weekly Racing Series accepts even the lamest drivers. :lol:

It's a time attacking competition, there's the racing series and time trials sub-forums, you'll find more info there. But basically people at GTP gather to enter time attack challenges, the only prerequisite is to agree with the clean racing rules, which are explained on that very same subforum too.

Also, there's 5 divisions, composed of three tiers each, totalizing 15 classes of drivers. There's Div 1 Gold, seconded by Div 1 Silver and then Bronze, and then Div 2 Gold, Silver....
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Ah right.

So I guess with these divisions (if you organise a race that is), you're basically likely to play against people of a similar skillset to you, right?

Sounds pretty cool in that case then.
 
Lasdul
Wait, but there are race events too, right?
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Prologue don't allow private lobbies, the races are previously combined by the racing chat, look at the upper right of the screen, there's a yellow box and the chat link is on it.

snake900
Ah right.

So I guess with these divisions (if you organise a race that is), you're basically likely to play against people of a similar skillset to you, right?

Sounds pretty cool in that case then.
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Yep, I only entered in three events, but I often use the proposed track and car combos to practice by myself, the admins really know what they're doing.

Here's the link for the WRS Forum.

And as I told, usually, you'll be able to match the times of the players on your division, since there's a test to enter the league. I don't want to take the thread way too offtopic mate, but you'll find more details on the link I've provided above.
 
Dan_
Prologue don't allow private lobbies, the races are previously combined by the racing chat, look at the upper right of the screen, there's a yellow box and the chat link is on it.
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Ah, but with GT5's My Lounge, we will be able to organize races once the divisions are set up and it gathers steam.
 
A simple solution.... if your having a race at spa say (hint hint Poly and Kaz), just say when your listing the cars you can use

e.g. 1960's supercars.

also add

you should be able to lap consistantly between 1:50 and 1:56 each lap.


6 seconds is a broad enough category, it means there should be a few who can do that and can race. I don't know how faster 1960's supercars go around spa so my numbers are jsut a guess.


If you enter and muck around or just crash into people or lap hideously slowly then you get chucked out, maybe a mod can put a dot under our avatar here, signalling weather we are good people...


yellow dot means watch out, this user tries to enter categories they can't race in (maybe using controller or whatever0
red dot means this user is an arsehole who delights in fking eveyrone else up

anything else is good


Easy and simple, not many dots have to be given out and so it's not that hard for the mods to maintain, and it gives a clear indication of whos interested.



Personally, I think you either you can drive kind quickly or your **** and keep crashing. The TT tried to show me differently, but if your within a few seconds on that then you can drive, if you can' then you can't.





Championships tend to be a bad idea with ots of people. Becasue youll have people miss them and its hard to find times for everyone and blah blah blah. CHampionships need to be small, but small ones are hard to do because if you miss one race or pretty screwed.



Final idea

New forum for onlne races... each thread has to say



Track/orchampionship - type of cars/ifany - westerneurope/namerica/samerica/easterneurope/asia/africa/australiasia/antartica


THat way people can just see... oh, race at monaco, using any type of car, and people racing will be in australasia, to reduce lag.
 
I would love an organized racing league outside of the 1player mode. The ability to race against real people, and move up in the ranks... Sign me up. Lot's of spread sheets in someone's future I think. 👍
 
Dan_
That's not what I meant dude, use the tracks in the game, Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Nurburgring, La Sarthe.... just like the original license tests, but comparing each GTP driver to another, and using some nasty combos, like a Ford GT LM on N2 tires around Laguna seca ( You'll be corkscrewed ;) ), or an SLR Mclaren around the nurburgring, or whatever event the admins could possibly think of ( a clever mix of drivetrain layouts, tracks and tires ). The focus is to test the skills within pre defined situations, comparing my laps, to your laps, to Spyrrari laps we could define who will go for which division.
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That would be awesome. I can finally see just how completely useless I am on the track in a video game.👍
No, that's not sarcasm.
 
as i don't have gtp in my name, if i put it in the comments would that be alright? because i don't fancy making another psn.
 

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