Suggestion to get more money.

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While im sure the overbearing and uber nazi mods have chased away potential paying premo's, i actually think for the long term that is a good thing. My somewhat decent experience in retail sales have taught me that its far better to please 95% of people and gain their business then try to focus on the 5% that miss out, bending over backwards and changing policies just so you can get their business, only to have a negative effect on the 95% you already have (since the reason you have their business in the 1st place is because of the policies and rules in place).

Some people are more trouble than their business is worth. Ive bent over backwards to help out arrogant and all round ******** customers only to have to deal with them for 2 - 3 weeks or more after the sale with wasting time and unnecessary arguments / exchanges and countless changes to the original deal, more often than not resulting in a total refund a month later.

So while im sure the activity of the mods can cause a few people to leave im almost certain that they arnt the people we would want here anyway and Jordon is better off without them, even IF they were gonna buy premo.. Change the rules to let that small % stay and the massive userbase we already have could be in jeopardy.

That being said I'll be the 1st one to say that its a never ending process on making sure the mods are controlling enough to not have chaos yet lenient enough to have free speech and flowing conversations that sometimes vary to and fro from the thread topic.

So i understand your concerns, however i dont believe its as big an issue as you make out. In order to make this work you really need to find exact examples of what your talking about so that Jordan can deal with it.

In the case of your avator thread, i think dukes post was unnecessary and while you blowing up was also unnecessary and childish i can understand why you did it. That would be the type of moderation i wouldn't agree with, If he made that post before your solution was found then i guess he would have a standing point, but the topic was already done and finished and you had your answer.. no need to come in and call you a failure for reading... especially considering one of your questions was asking if the avator restrictions apply once you become premo, something that to my knowledge wasnt written anywhere.
 
I can't believe that we've got a thread about over-bearing, grumpy mods and I don't even get a mention. :grumpy:

Need to work harder...
 
daan
I can't believe that we've got a thread about over-bearing, grumpy mods and I don't even get a mention. :grumpy:

Need to work harder...
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Was gonna mention you, but im scared of the baanhammer.. i heard if you get a critical strike it can deal out over 30 infraction points in one swing!! So even a fully healed Premo wont survive that...
 
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StigNumbers
I have been at this site for two years. I was here since I was 12, and at the time, I was very annoying, and I'm certain not many people wanted me around. It took me until I am at my current status of "one more strike" to get me to seriously change my behavior. Seriously. I have 25 infraction points out of a total 30 required for a ban, and I'd have to say that one mod in particular didn't ban me merely because he held pity on me.

I would have to say that GTP and it's mods crafted my personality and seriousness into a proper poster, if not at least a kid with good grammar. And while I've been here for a year WITH GTPremium, I am glad to say I bought that myself, with money earned by working. In fact, I would have gotten the lifetime, if it weren't for the fact that I am teetering on the limit of banning. And, as proof, my avatar is a lasting reminder of my subscription, I would change it, except it would have to be smaller.

Needless to say, I still nearly dirty my pants whenever I get a PM due to fear of the banhammer.
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I have been here for almost 4 years now, (since i was 11) most of my first threads were locked. Looking back now, i don't know how i got away with that without any infractions. I got 2 infractions in 2006 for useless posts (which are still there, exactly 3 years on, and will be there forever. :grumpy:)

daan
I can't believe that we've got a thread about over-bearing, grumpy mods and I don't even get a mention. :grumpy:

Need to work harder...
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👍 :lol:
 
Thiele
Looking back now, i don't know how i got away with that without any infractions.
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I dont think we had infractions that long ago? Probably the biggest reason :lol:

Edit: Infractions came in around august 2006 so I'm probably right.
 
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JDigital
But if you can HONESTLY say with a straight face that you've never saw mods being overbearing, really just one in particular... for instance I've never saw Famine do anything like that, then I'll shut up and drop it for good.
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I got lost half way through that sentence, but yes I can say that on the whole the moderation on this site is efficient and well delivered. If I didn't think otherwise I wouldn't have remained here for nearly 5 years.

And again, I can name other large forums that aren't moderated so well. The Student Room, for a start, has a completely over-abused reputation system that they've totally failed to recognise as a problem. When that started happening here, people were warned and eventually it was removed. Much better.
 
Small_Fryz
In the case of your avator thread, i think dukes post was unnecessary and while you blowing up was also unnecessary and childish i can understand why you did it. That would be the type of moderation i wouldn't agree with, If he made that post before your solution was found then i guess he would have a standing point, but the topic was already done and finished and you had your answer.. no need to come in and call you a failure for reading... especially considering one of your questions was asking if the avator restrictions apply once you become premo, something that to my knowledge wasnt written anywhere.
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I'm impressed... someone see's my point (of that thread and my reaction).

This thread had nothing to do with that event really, it was basically I've been seeing these things happened here and there, and always think back to the way I was treated for asking a simple question... Then everything just adds up and I decided to make a post about my concerns. The mob shows up, bands together, jumps to a whole bunch of incorrect conclusions, and everyone speaks for Jordan.

Then a few pages later, people start agreeing with me and seeing my point again... funny how that works.
 
I think you continually miss the point Digital.

I don't think anyone on here will deny that every so often the moderation staff has bad days. Being humans it should only be expected. Nobody, not even duke, thinks that he is god and has "power trip" authority.

After rereading your thread in question, you seemed overly hostile and quick to anger. Those simply trying to help the situation were met with words such as "fail." "How exactly does that answer my question?". Overall rude behaviour and behaviour not befitting this forum. While by the time Duke posted in your thread the ill feelings had boiled over, it did not cause them to go away. Duke, along with the rest of the moderation staff try to make this place as mature and user friendly as possible. Mistakes occur. The most mature thing in this situation would be to file your complaint, which you did, and not attack every person who disagrees. It may be hard to believe but you're human to, and you were definitely in the wrong in your thread.
 
👍 Well said.
 
WVUscion
I think you continually miss the point Digital.

I don't think anyone on here will deny that every so often the moderation staff has bad days. Being humans it should only be expected. Nobody, not even duke, thinks that he is god and has "power trip" authority.

After rereading your thread in question, you seemed overly hostile and quick to anger. Those simply trying to help the situation were met with words such as "fail." "How exactly does that answer my question?". Overall rude behaviour and behaviour not befitting this forum. While by the time Duke posted in your thread the ill feelings had boiled over, it did not cause them to go away. Duke, along with the rest of the moderation staff try to make this place as mature and user friendly as possible. Mistakes occur. The most mature thing in this situation would be to file your complaint, which you did, and not attack every person who disagrees. It may be hard to believe but you're human to, and you were definitely in the wrong in your thread.
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I think you've continually failed to read THIS thread. I've said multiple times, sometimes in caps even, that this is NOT ABOUT THAT THREAD.

AT ALL.

NONE.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THAT EVENT, NOR ANY EVENT THAT EVEN HAS TO DO WITH ME.

And for the record, the still unnamed mod that I am mainly referring to, IS NOT DUKE.
 
Since the original poster's point involves me directly, I will refrain from commenting on it. However, I would like to address this bit:

WVUscion
Threads have been closed in the past due to the information being located on page 185 of the general discussion thread. Threads have also been closed because another thread exists from years in the past on the same subject. This to me is a Catch-22. Members are often chastised for "resurrecting" old threads, even if questions or comments that the member posts in the old thread is valid. At the same time, if the member were to open a new thread on the subject, the opposite effect would occur. The member would be directed towards the older thread.
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The "General Discussion" threads were a somewhat unforeseen outgrowth of our Search First-style policy on new threads. Understand that in the months leading up to a new release, and the months following, we are inundated with new members who appear here full of breathless excitement about some new piece of information that they need to share. Of course, this being the internet, odds are greatly in favor of it being old news, whatever it is.

Unfortunately, some members mistake our thread filtration policy for a general dislike of new threads, and create (or are quick to point to) the general-topic threads. These threads do indeed have limited usefulness and we are trying to gently discourage their creation. Note that a "general discussion" thread is not nearly as useful as a well-maintained FAQ thread.

If you notice, while overzealous members may criticize someone for resurrecting an older thread, the staff does not. In fact, when I encounter someone who has taken the trouble to search up an old thread, I make it a point to thank them for doing so rather than creating a duplicate. I will also take time to point out to those who yell about resurrection that we prefer old threads to be revitalized rather than have a redundant new version created.

Of course, nobody appreciates a user dragging up a 4-year-old thread just to add "lol thats great" at the bottom and nothing else.

Just my thoughts on the matter really.
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Thoughts which we are delighted to hear.

What we are not delighted to hear is a lot of attitude, so it is often returned in kind. Simple ignorance is usually treated with patience for a while, but ignorance coupled with arrogance is not going to find favor with either staff or other users.
 
JDigital
I think you've continually failed to read THIS thread. I've said multiple times, sometimes in caps even, that this is NOT ABOUT THAT THREAD.

AT ALL.

NONE.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THAT EVENT, NOR ANY EVENT THAT EVEN HAS TO DO WITH ME.

And for the record, the still unnamed mod that I am mainly referring to, IS NOT DUKE.
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I suppose that's where I am getting confused. You said that particular issue is what made you decide not to get Premium, yet that's not what this thread is about? Please, please, tell me the event or moderator which is bothering you so much. I cannot work to change someone or something if I do not know who or what it is.
 
daan
I can't believe that we've got a thread about over-bearing, grumpy mods and I don't even get a mention. :grumpy:

Need to work harder...
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lol lol lol
 
Jordan
I suppose that's where I am getting confused. You said that particular issue is what made you decide not to get Premium, yet that's not what this thread is about? Please, please, tell me the event or moderator which is bothering you so much. I cannot work to change someone or something if I do not know who or what it is.
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Ok, I'll try... I'm at work so it must be brief.

My original issue, referenced in this thread, is what made ME decide not to buy premium. This is not the reason I opened THIS thread.

Upon browsing the forums, which I do regularly, I ran across a cool post... as I scroll down to reply, I had saw it had been closed because it was in the wrong section. Usually moderators will simply move the thread and be done with it, this one took the time to write a chastising reply to the OP and closed the thread.

Then a little later I had found another thread that I was interested in... I read to the bottom and... CLOSED. Because it should be in one of those 50+ page threads that are quite old, or just so filled with junk that they really don't even have meaning anymore.

Rinse and repeat the same basic thing about 5 or so times...

So, I was thinking to myself that I wonder how many people have been ticked off by this practice the way I have been. I started thinking about why I didn't buy a subscription and (to me) logic would have it that I'm probably not the only person to ever come to this conclusion. Not my exact same circumstances obviously, but think a little outside the box here. Don't read everything perfectly literally.

So I made this post. I'd imagine most people are scared of being banned so they will never criticize a mod... personally, I enjoy the site (for the most part), but I will never give silent obedience when I feel something isn't right.

There is a certain mod that always seems to be very heavy-handed in their execution of privileges. Granted, they may be technically "right" in a black and white world, but specifically with unreleased games which have nothing more than speculation surrounding them, certainly there can be some exceptions? By the actions of this particular mod, I would assume they would disagree.

Which leads me to my original post in this thread... a certain mod really seems to be just a grumpy old guy, hell-bent on flexing his online forum privileges for any and all reasons. This particular mod goes by the name of Daan.


Now before you jump to conclusions, I would like for you to search for any interactions between me and Daan... I cannot recall any. Which is why I find it funny that everyone in this thread was jumping all over me about being mad about things that have happened to me... when truth be told, my whole issue is that good topics, which are getting replies and sparking interesting discussion, get closed by this mod for pretty lame reasons. Usually the reason falls in the camp of: This should be in another thread... boring.

Now I'm not saying ALL instances of this occurrence are overbearing, just more than a few.
 
This thread is one of the most entertaining I've ever seen on GTP

:D
 
JDigital
This particular mod goes by the name of Daan.
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daan
I can't believe that we've got a thread about over-bearing, grumpy mods and I don't even get a mention.
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I believe the phrase is "Be careful what you wish for."


And the other one is "Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahaha."
 
EDIT: Nvm, Too slow in reading the thread.
 
bergauk
EDIT: Nvm, Too slow in reading the thread.
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Don't feel bad, a lot of people have that problem apparently. At least you can admit it... +1
 
JDigital
Ok, I'll try... I'm at work so it must be brief.
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Thanks for the explanation! Have you considered contacting me, daan, or another moderator when you notice a thread that you think should be allowed to remain open? Or, are you more concerned about daan's attitude? His closing comments can be blunt, though I think that may be intentional to get a young new user's attention. At least he does often provide a link to other topics or forums where they can find more information.

To summarize, I understand your point of view, and hope that my staff members always respond to issues in a professional manner. With that said, there is a fine line between being nice (and ignored), and reinforcing the sense of order and organization that we like to enjoy here. If you find some thread closure that you disagree with, please let me or the moderator know immediately. There is nothing in the AUP which prevents criticism of me or the staff's action, and I encourage you to take a more proactive approach in responding to specific issues in the future.
 
Jordan
Thanks for the explanation! Have you considered contacting me, daan, or another moderator when you notice a thread that you think should be allowed to remain open? Or, are you more concerned about daan's attitude? His closing comments can be blunt, though I think that may be intentional to get a young new user's attention. At least he does often provide a link to other topics or forums where they can find more information.

To summarize, I understand your point of view, and hope that my staff members always respond to issues in a professional manner. With that said, there is a fine line between being nice (and ignored), and reinforcing the sense of order and organization that we like to enjoy here. If you find some thread closure that you disagree with, please let me or the moderator know immediately. There is nothing in the AUP which prevents criticism of me or the staff's action, and I encourage you to take a more proactive approach in responding to specific issues in the future.
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I have considered contacting you... which is why I made this thread. And we see how well that worked out...

And another part of me really doesn't think its a great idea to go PMing a mod that I think they are doing something "wrong"... after all I do have 20 infraction points from my last run-in with a mod... which I still don't agree with. I was out of line after he tried to insult me, but we see who "won" that argument...
 
JDigital
I have considered contacting you... which is why I made this thread. And we see how well that worked out...
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I submit that any perceived problem on that score was largely a result of expecting this thread to be considered only by Jordan personally, when it was posted in a public venue. Perhaps if you desired to speak only with Jordan, it would have worked better to contact him privately.

JDigital
And another part of me really doesn't think its a great idea to go PMing a mod that I think they are doing something "wrong"... after all I do have 20 infraction points from my last run-in with a mod... which I still don't agree with. I was out of line after he tried to insult me, but we see who "won" that argument...
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If there is an issue with any staff member and you are uncomfortable handling it directly with that person, it should be addressed to a higher-level staff person. In the case of a supermoderator, then please contact either an administrator or Jordan. If the problem is with an administrator, please contact Jordan directly. He is the first to invite people to do so in situations regarding staff.

I realize you did that. However, doing so publicly but then not tolerating public response seems a bit (for want of a better word) odd.
 
Duke
I realize you did that. However, doing so publicly but then not tolerating public response seems a bit (for want of a better word) odd.
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It really isn't so much of the public response that bothered me, just the majority of the public responses were either:

Missing the point
Mob mentality "me too" cheerleading
Jumping to wild conclusions of my motives
Expressing opinions that were not relevant to the topic
Referencing a thread which was specifically stated to be not involved
Strawman arguments about premium memberships
 
When this thread was first opened now was attacking or mobbing against you. It's not a mob just because most of us here disagree with you.
 
Danny
Aha, I see where the problem is. You've accidentally stumbled off 4chan and onto GTP.

It's quite easy to fix, actually...
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WTF does this have to do with anything? I've got somewhere you can stumble into if you want. Are you just trying to get me to slay you? I surely will... have you seen what you look like?

Nevermind trying to address any of my actual points, or even staying on topic... Just keep making retarded statements and picking apart little things I said in RESPONSE to other people doing exactly what you are now. Totally what I would expect of someone of a low intelligence. Also, what is 4chan?

Look up mob mentality... that is if you know how to look things up.
 
Duke
If there is an issue with any staff member and you are uncomfortable handling it directly with that person, it should be addressed to a higher-level staff person. In the case of a supermoderator, then please contact either an administrator or Jordan. If the problem is with an administrator, please contact Jordan directly. He is the first to invite people to do so in situations regarding staff.
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This is advice I give to any individual with whom I have contact regarding moderating decisions with which they don't necessarily agree. I have no idea how many actually take up this advice - though I have had one respond to that with "Report you to your friends? What good would that do?". Which I think fundamentally misunderstands how dedicated our admins actually are to this site.
 
Loon
When this thread was first opened now was attacking or mobbing against you. It's not a mob just because most of us here disagree with you.
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Correct, its a mob because you think there is some "clique"...

"most of US here"... mob mentality.

Some real bright ones around here today...
 
Famine
This is advice I give to any individual with whom I have contact regarding moderating decisions with which they don't necessarily agree. I have no idea how many actually take up this advice - though I have had one respond to that with "Report you to your friends? What good would that do?". Which I think fundamentally misunderstands how dedicated our admins actually are to this site.
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This is actually more true than you think... show me one instance of a mod being removed or even disciplined... I don't know if it has ever happened, but I'd be willing to bet it hasn't.

Like when I spoke with Jordan about the last issue I had, where I got 20 points that never expire for a "bad attitude". Jordan claimed he would be checking into the situation and getting back with me...

Well, I never heard from him since regarding that situation and I still have all the points. And he even said himself that the situation really didn't warrant the reaction. Other users here have said the same...

Any results from it? NOPE!
 
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