Surprise Cars

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Good: NSX-R LM Road Car, Lotus Esprit Turbo HC (smoke that Elise right quick), DeLorean DMC-12 S2, Black Toyota GT-1, Camaro LM, W12 Nardo, NSX Type R '92, Jensen Interceptor Mark III, Lancia Stratos (also kills the Elise).
Bad: can't use the Caterham, no old Mini, no Venturi, slow NSX JGTC cars, Puegot 905 (bad transmission, but I still love the looks), 500 million Skylines but no R-33 LM Race Car.
 
Surprise cars : R32 GT-R (sucked ass in Prologue), Lancia Stratos, RUF Yellowbird...
Bad : Cizeta 16V, Caterham...cant race with it, old Mini missing, Escudo...that should be all.
 
Standard
Good:

1970 240Z, lightweight 1, sports suspension, SS tires, big brakes. Dominated the 70's Japan races with it.

Tacoma X-runner. Bought it for the truck races, and it was a heck of a lot better than I thought it would be.


Bad:

'97 MR2. Got tired of trying to tune the oversteer out of it.

Option 350Z. 800hp, but the immense turbo lag makes the thing pretty much undriveable.
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I hate the Option. It's pure crap
 
Suprisingly good:
DB9 - Finally Aston's can handle
SVT Cobra - stick a wing on, and kill everyone
350Z - maxed out w/461 hp, and it slays things w/ double the power
M3 GTR Race car - as the earlier post said, rails

Thankfully good:
FPV GT - its a monster that will rival the German boys with a suspension tune

Predictably bad:
Nothing really

Suprisingly bad:
Ford GT - before you fanboys tell me to read the thread on brakes, I have. Take any other MR car w/similar power to weight, drive it back to back. Notice anything?? No tire scrub, ability to brake, and a lack of that horrible braking oversteer, power down understeer. No other car in the game has resisted tuning as much as this one. I don't think it was deliberate, but this car is either a POS in reality, or Poly screwed the pooch, and Ford. And yes, I have managed to get the other demons, such as the Zonda, F1 LM, and Yellowbird to where I love to drive them.

Engine sounds - I think in most cases they have just made the actual engine sound too quiet. If you really crank up your volume, when the car is not moving, you will hear amazing burbles, crack, pops, and realisting engine idle sounds. Now move off, hear that whine?? Driveline, turbo, and tire noises all drown out the noise of the actual engine and exhaust. Prime examples are the muscle cars, but any large displacement engine will do it. :(
 
Mine would be the Autobliachi Abarth A12. Fully modified I got 199Hp.
Didn't have to race any thing with it I just liked the light blue color, with a set of OZ rims, and the spoiler I added.
 
Good: More Muscle cars, im a big fan and im glad there was a bigger choosing area...

Bad: no Toyota Altezza you can buy stock, or the other.. Lexus IS300 (non-wagon)
no 83 Mitsu Starion, ive always wanted to see one in the game, i have one, and it would have been sweet
i also wasnt amused by the hideous and slow future vehicles, some did,m just not I
 
The Lancia Delta Hf Integralle is amazing in stock can easely beat an evo or a subaru (of the same age ) I bought this car because I saw it in the special conditions hall althought I never tought that it was so good 👍 👍
 
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When you just want wicked, tail-happy, drift ridden drive on GT4 do people in general stick sports tyres on their car (to offer lower grip levels) or use racing tyres? I find I always kit my cars out with racing tyres to win races more easily most of the time, but when I just want to mess about I never change down to sports tyres. Am I missing out? (please name some good cars for fun driving if you have any brilliant ones)
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Cars like the Amuse S2000 R1, BMW 330i, Clio V6, NSX-R, Silvias are great fun on N3s or even S1s. You may need a slight power advantage over the opposition on N tires, but that just means more fun :) For me, FR+N3 is the most fun for semi-grip racing (maybe S1s if the competition is decent). For some cars, throttle steering can improve the cornering speeds considerably as well as add a lot of fun :)
I never use R tires, unless when needed (True racing car series, 206 cup :indiff: ).
 
Good: TVR Tamora. It handles well and can enter many races with some slight modification.
Bad: Like many have said, the Option Stream Z. Sure, it has power, but it just can't keep up with the big boys and their toys.
 
I was looking in the BMW Showroom a while ago and saw the BMW Maclaren F1 i wanted one so bad. When i got it i was landed. I changed the oil and took it for a lap of La Sarthe. I didnt even bother finishing the lap. The Car was a huge dissapointment for me it's now a dust gatherer in my garage.
 
biggest surprise had to be a fully prepped Honda Element... wing... super hard slicks... Nurburgring Family Cup at +10... that 4-banger had some grunt--i was impressed... :drool:
 
GOOD:
Ford Mustang -- If the old Mustang was a decrepit old nag, the new one is Secretariat.
Motul Pitwork Z -- Ugly, but effective.
Trucks -- A lot better-handling than I thought they would be (in retrospect, not surprising, since the only pickup I've ever driven in RL was a heavy-duty Dodge Ram 2500)
Audi R8 -- Worth every dime of the $4,500,000
Le Mans -- Very fun, even if Arnage is a pain (spins out my Skyline all the time)

BAD:
HKS Genki Hyper Silvia -- If it's a 475hp race version of the wonderful S15 Silvia, it has to be good, right? Wrong!
Honda NSX LM Race Car -- A Le Mans GT car that's blown away by JGTC cars? Nonsense!
Real tracks -- Aside from Sarthe and Nurburgring, PD picked some of the worst tracks in the world to include.
Option Stream Z -- The 800 horsepower you are calling are not here right now. Please try your call again later.
Venturis -- I was eagerly anticipating their return. I want them back!
Rallies -- Death to the 5-second penalty!
 
GOOD:
Renault Clio Sport V6 24V Phase 2
Audi R8
Triumph Spitfire 1500
All the Audi Concepts (Nuvolari, Le Mans and Pikes Peak)
Aston Martin DB9
Chrysler Crossfire
Nissan PAO ( very good car for the time it was produced and for the price it was sold)
Ford Model T Tourer (better than many nowadays cars..)
Honda S2000 (very good preformance for a 2.0L engine with 240HP)
Classics Toyotas (Can accelerate worse the the american classics, but handles much better)
BMW M5
AC Cobra 427 (this car has a very good top speed for a 60's/70's car)

BAD:
Daihatsu Midget (both)
All the American Classics (they have average acceleration and low top speed)
Mercedes SL65AMG (i expected more from that power)
Ford GT (i hate that gearbox)
BMW 120d (is not even close from the real model...)
Trucks (awful acceleration)
 
Most of the older cars in the game have somewhat questionable handling at times - but the Merc 300SL Coupe ('54?) was a dream on the Nordschleife - could not believe how much fun it was on N3 tyres with everything else stock. 138mph top speed with only 4 gears is quite impressive too. 👍 A pleasant surprise.

Nissan PAO ( very good car for the time it was produced and for the price it was sold)
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Nissan PAO - great to start with, but have you tried getting 200pts with it at Micra Brothers?? Downgrading tyres, +200kg of weight - and I was offered 3 more pts. For a significantly slower car. :grumpy: the Nissan Be-1 seems to be offered 200 without even trying (well, it can't win with me driving it just yet though). I like the look of the cars, but they are quite dissapointing.
 
I think the BMW McLaren F1 does become a better ( even good) car when you buy the body rigidement increase . I was happily surprised by this.
 
Surprisingly Good:

Renault R5 Turbo
- Great little MR car; not a lot of power, but not a lot of weight, either. Nearly perfect for those narrow courses.

Lotus Europa
- Similar to above, except you can swing out the rear end to impossibly obtuse angles of yaw, and still regain control with out much loss of speed. This car was nearly impossible to control in GT2 if the road wasn't completely flat or straight.

Lexus GS300 '91
- Normally handles a little soft in real-life, but is quite neutral in overall handling. Heavy weight plus 270hp makes for somethign different. Lots of power once fully modded; think of a 4-door Supra.

Alfa Romeo GTA '65
- Not bad for an old, underpowered car. For some reason, I feel quite connected to this car when driving it; you seem to feel as if the wheels and engine are extensions of your body. The 147 GTA you have to buy to attain it isn't half bad (even better if it weren't an FF car).

BMW M3 CSL
- I expected it to be very good after missing out on every GT game...and it is. It's not the easiest car to control, but it's hard to spin it, just the same. That's what I want out of some of these cars.

Nissan Fairlady '68
- Great little car that's hard to find. Throw a Stage 2 turbo on it, and try to control it!

Alpine-Renault A110 '73
- Like an early-production Porsche 911. Except in only comes in blue. Fun to drive, even on the street courses.

Surprisingly Bad:

Peugeot 206 '99
- Lots of understeer compared to its GT2 and GT3 appearances, must buy it for sereis, and it needs one hundred thousand credits in upgrades to make it a viable competitior.

Renault Clio Sport Phase II
- See above; same reasons. (What's with these two French cars I liked using in all those the GT2/3 races?)

Jaguar XJR9 '88
- I worshipped this car in my youth. Can't control the car for life of me in an ess-bend.

Peugeot 905 '92
- You can cook a 4-course meal in the time between upshifts. It's one thing to lose out to another car on the straights because it's faster, or you got distracted, but quite another to make perfect shifts and watch the competition laugh at you.

As expected:
Ford GT
- So you have to brake early, big deal. Otherwise, it mops up races easily.

Nissan Skyline GT-R '73
- Actually, I want to put this with surprises, but PD's known for favoring anything with the word "Skyline" in it. Hard to find, looks like an armadillo, but does the job in the '70s races.

Auto Union V16 Streamliner & Caterham Fireblade
- You had to know these cars were too good to be true.
 
Woolie Wool
BAD:
HKS Genki Hyper Silvia -- If it's a 475hp race version of the wonderful S15 Silvia, it has to be good, right? Wrong!
Option Stream Z -- The 800 horsepower you are calling are not here right now. Please try your call again later.
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The Silvia is a D1 (drifting) car, not a race car.. and a damn good one at that. Read about it here

The Option Z was built for max top speed in a straight line (US highway race) IRL.. so it's not really about response or handling. Read about it here

Some of these cars are actually copies of RL one-offs, I think that's pretty interesting, actually. Not all cars with stickers and a wing are track race cars.
 
The 3400S. When I first got it, I hated it because of its awkward acceleration, but after a quick tune up ( got it to around 515 hp ), it ran like a dream.
 

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