Suzuki Escudo

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I would like to tune my Suzuki Escudo so that it does a top speed of 235 mph. I can achieve this top speed, but only when the car is drafting. When it pulls out of the draft, the speed drops dramatically. I tried adding weight in the front to counterbalance the weight of the massive rear spoiler, and I have tried tinkering with the downforce. Does anyone have any advice on how to keep the car from loosing momentum outside of the draft or is it just not possible?
 
I don't think it is possible, although I am very bad at tuning. Adding a lot of weight to the front of the car will only slow it down, I presume.
 
GT787B
Have you tried?
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No, as I said I am not a good tuner at all. I don't know how to make effective top-speed transmission setups.

I've experienced with other cars if you keep the back end lowered, but the front end raised up, this might help with keeping the top speed up, for a short time that is.

But GT5 actually gave the ESCUDO proper aerodynamics (or as close as possible) as the large spoilers create massive amounts of downforce. The car was never meant to go 200+ MPH, it was meant to stick to the road at Pike's Peak. The spoilers cause lots of drag, which kills speed.
 
CallmeDan
No, as I said I am not a good tuner at all. I don't know how to make effective top-speed transmission setups.

I've experienced with other cars if you keep the back end lowered, but the front end raised up, this might help with keeping the top speed up, for a short time that is.

But GT5 actually gave the ESCUDO proper aerodynamics (or as close as possible) as the large spoilers create massive amounts of downforce. The car was never meant to go 200+ MPH, it was meant to stick to the road at Pike's Peak. The spoilers cause lots of drag, which kills speed.
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Which is why it is on my list of top 3 most hated cars in the game.
 
GT787B
I would like to tune my Suzuki Escudo so that it does a top speed of 235 mph. I can achieve this top speed, but only when the car is drafting. When it pulls out of the draft, the speed drops dramatically. I tried adding weight in the front to counterbalance the weight of the massive rear spoiler, and I have tried tinkering with the downforce. Does anyone have any advice on how to keep the car from loosing momentum outside of the draft or is it just not possible?
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This may help you or not there is a setup on this link https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4439714
 
GT787B
I would like to tune my Suzuki Escudo so that it does a top speed of 235 mph. I can achieve this top speed, but only when the car is drafting. When it pulls out of the draft, the speed drops dramatically. I tried adding weight in the front to counterbalance the weight of the massive rear spoiler, and I have tried tinkering with the downforce. Does anyone have any advice on how to keep the car from loosing momentum outside of the draft or is it just not possible?
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The car won't go faster than ~213 mph on it's own. (SSRX)

Here's a link to my 10km top speed setup



MadMax
 
GT787B
I tried adding weight in the front to counterbalance the weight of the massive rear spoiler
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Just FYI, there is no reason to do this. That's not how tuning works.

As far as aero and acceleration goes, there is downforce (weight) drag, and mass. Mass makes the car slower and lessens the performance of the tires. Weight does not change the speed of the car but makes the tires perform better. Drag comes from downforce and slows the car down.

Adding the ballast (mass) isn't doing anything for you. You adjust aero by playing with lift and drag. If you want to go faster, lower the downforce (so you lower drag). But note, the Escudo has a very high base drag, so even with low downforce you won't go fast.

Does anyone have any advice on how to keep the car from loosing momentum outside of the draft or is it just not possible?
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All that happens when you go from in draft to out is an increase drag. You don't lose momentum unless the drag is more powerful than your engine. Your only options are to lower drag or increase power. Lower drag by lowering downforce. Increase power by adding HP or by adjusting gear ratios until your engine's peak power RPM coincides with the speed you're trying to reach.
 
Exorcet
Just FYI, there is no reason to do this. That's not how tuning works.

As far as aero and acceleration goes, there is downforce (weight) drag, and mass. Mass makes the car slower and lessens the performance of the tires. Weight does not change the speed of the car but makes the tires perform better. Drag comes from downforce and slows the car down.

Adding the ballast (mass) isn't doing anything for you. You adjust aero by playing with lift and drag. If you want to go faster, lower the downforce (so you lower drag). But note, the Escudo has a very high base drag, so even with low downforce you won't go fast.


All that happens when you go from in draft to out is an increase drag. You don't lose momentum unless the drag is more powerful than your engine. Your only options are to lower drag or increase power. Lower drag by lowering downforce. Increase power by adding HP or by adjusting gear ratios until your engine's peak power RPM coincides with the speed you're trying to reach.
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I get it. So the engine output is lesser than the drag. Well, that is that.
 
The Escudo had his glory days in GT2,GT3, it was time for some other speed machine to take the lead...
 
A little OT...

Does anyone notice the Escudo's lack of low-end grunt? This is not turbo lag but it's rather the car's engine very peak power band. It stays very flat at low to mid RPM ranges and then goes up very high at the high RPM where it becomes very active.

If you try to climb an uphill slope portion of a track (if it has some) with the Escudo at 6th gear that will rev at very low RPM, it won't let you do that due to the lack of power at that range and you will end up moving backwards as you lose momentum.

And torque is what allows you to be able to climb uphill, especially if it peaks at low RPMs like most Turbodiesel engines.
 
I don't remember, it's been a while since I had tested it, but with the way mine is tuned, the top speed on it's own is about 230-235, it was tested on the Circuit de la Sarthe w/o chicanes

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Lowering the downforce will make it more slippery but will allow a higher top speed, and a perfect weight distribution also helps
 
GTV0819
A little OT...

Does anyone notice the Escudo's lack of low-end grunt? This is not turbo lag but it's rather the car's engine very peak power band. It stays very flat at low to mid RPM ranges and then goes up very high at the high RPM where it becomes very active.

If you try to climb an uphill slope portion of a track (if it has some) with the Escudo at 6th gear that will rev at very low RPM, it won't let you do that due to the lack of power at that range and you will end up moving backwards as you lose momentum.

And torque is what allows you to be able to climb uphill, especially if it peaks at low RPMs like most Turbodiesel engines.
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The Escudo isnt a diesel & the reason for its lack of low end torque is because of its HUGE turbo & its setup/tuned to run a hillclimb event where altitude plays a part air density & stuff & also its common for rally/offroad cars to have bad low end torque the driver can cope easily though with correct use of gears, You cant say you never noticed rally drivers hardly ever let off throttle for more than a second or 2 & the change gear a million times a minute, Techniques like this help ensure they are in the optimal torque range in the revs when they get on the throttle.
 
LERK84
The Escudo isnt a diesel & the reason for its lack of low end torque is because of its HUGE turbo & its setup/tuned to run a hillclimb event where altitude plays a part air density & stuff & also its common for rally/offroad cars to have bad low end torque the driver can cope easily though with correct use of gears, You cant say you never noticed rally drivers hardly ever let off throttle for more than a second or 2 & the change gear a million times a minute, Techniques like this help ensure they are in the optimal torque range in the revs when they get on the throttle.
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Yes, I know the machine isn't a diesel but I'm guessing if it's engine is based on heavy boosting so that's why it has that type of very peaky powerband which is why it isn't very responsive at low revs and that's not the case with other rally or offroad cars. That's why I felt that, when the car is at full stop then you suddenly fully accelerate it, it still idles for about more than a second before it shifts to the next gear.
 
GTV0819
Yes, I know the machine isn't a diesel but I'm guessing if it's engine is based on heavy boosting so that's why it has that type of very peaky powerband which is why it isn't very responsive at low revs and that's not the case with other rally or offroad cars. That's why I felt that, when the car is at full stop then you suddenly fully accelerate it, it still idles for about more than a second before it shifts to the next gear.
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Yep. It is turbo lag. The car is a amazing machine though.
 
GTV0819
^^FYI someone proved that there is no turbo lag in the game.
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:lol: Please let's not even get into that one. I don't want to try to explain it again with someone who compares a Turbo to a Windmill again. Also denies the existence of boost threshold. Or a person that claims turbo lag can't be seen on a dyno chart. Hints why I haven't even bothered trying to prove said person wrong.
 
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Put a supercharger in there ( twincharged it ), lower the boost level, map the boost for mid range rpm and remove the downforce front and back, the Escudo will rev faster from down low and reach higher speed than ever before :sly:
 
Lock2Lock
:lol: Please let's not even get into that one. I don't want to try to explain it again with someone who compares a Turbo to a Windmill again. Also denies the existence of boost threshold. Or a person that claims turbo lag can't be seen on a dyno chart. Hints why I haven't even bothered trying to prove said person wrong.
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Exorcet
Nothing has lag in GT5. Every turbo car in GT5 acts like it's NA.

In GT5 this is what happens:

Turbine responds instantly to throttle and achieves max speed/boost for a given RPM instantly. To get around this, all you need to do it place transmission gears close enough so that you're basically always in the powerband. Once you do this the "lag" (it's not lag) disappears.

In reality, when you floored the pedal the turbo would lag in its response, and it would be especially noticeable around peak power. So the blue throttle bar displayed in GT5 would instantly fill up when you hit the gas, but the boost gauge would take a second or two to max out. That is turbo lag.

Summary,

GT5: Turbo reacts as quickly as the blue throttle bar, there is no turbo lag, there is only the power band. Powerband issues can be fixed with transmission. Boost gauge means nothing

Real life: Turbo lags behind throttle/engine, there is turbo lag, and playing with the transmission won't fix it. Boost gauge provides valuable performance information.

There is no turbo lag in this video - watch the boost gauge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjK7ModO8Lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOSF0LfXBlM

No lag, coming out of corners after releasing the throttle is trivial. The boost gauge jump is tied to RPM which is wrong.
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I've wanted one of these since I saw a picture on the forums somewhere. Well, it popped p in the UCD earlier in the week. So far, I don't need it to go faster than 210. And I won't be disappointed if it doesn't because almost everything it does do below the 200MPH is AMAZING! What a machine.

I used to rely on my GTR TC for a lot of races. But the Escudo and the CT230R have also been monsters to drive !
 
Pcaola
I've wanted one of these since I saw a picture on the forums somewhere. Well, it popped p in the UCD earlier in the week. So far, I don't need it to go faster than 210. And I won't be disappointed if it doesn't because almost everything it does do below the 200MPH is AMAZING! What a machine.

I used to rely on my GTR TC for a lot of races. But the Escudo and the CT230R have also been monsters to drive !
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If only the Escudo can climb a steep, uphill of some tracks at it's maximum 6th gear revving below 2000RPM, then I would be satisfied by it's performance. Problem is, the car lugs at that RPM and only becomes responsive at high revs.
 
GTV0819
Then how come...
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:lol:

He's wrong. Just because the guage doesn't duplicate every car accurately doesn't mean something isn't there. Plus if you really want to get into this, tell me something. Does turbo lag show up on a dyno chart? If you say "no it does not" like he said, then there is no point in having this conversation with you either.

Hate to be this blunt and honest about the subject. When I was talking about this in another thread, someone tried posting a dyno chart with the part where the turbo would be spooling cut off. That pretty much ended me even trying to have this discussion.

Pcaola
I've wanted one of these since I saw a picture on the forums somewhere. Well, it popped p in the UCD earlier in the week. So far, I don't need it to go faster than 210. And I won't be disappointed if it doesn't because almost everything it does do below the 200MPH is AMAZING! What a machine.

I used to rely on my GTR TC for a lot of races. But the Escudo and the CT230R have also been monsters to drive !
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I love that car. One of my favorite cars in the game. I always hunt for it every game.
 
Lock2Lock
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He's wrong. Just because the guage doesn't duplicate every car accurately doesn't mean something isn't there. Plus if you really want to get into this, tell me something. Does turbo lag show up on a dyno chart? If you say "no it does not" like he said, then there is no point in having this conversation with you either.

Hate to be this blunt and honest about the subject. When I was talking about this in another thread, someone tried posting a dyno chart with the part where the turbo would be spooling cut off. That pretty much ended me even trying to have this discussion.

I love that car. One of my favorite cars in the game. I always hunt for it every game.
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Lol, I know your beliefs. You classify this as turbo lag. Just because the car is unresponsive at low revs doesn't mean it has turbo lag. Take a look at the Escudo's DYNO graph. When fully tuned, the car pumps out 1000+HP @8000rpm and 930+ft/lbs of torque @6500rpm but it doesn't have these figures below 5000rpm. It's even lower than half of it's peak HP and torque, which explains why it still idles when you fully accelerate the car from a full stop. The only reason for that is because the Escudo has a very high boost threshold, given it's small 2.5L V6 turbo equipped engine that runs on a very high string. So this doesn't mean it has turbo lag. Others are even saying that it doesn't exist in GT5. It's just that the Escudo has a very peaky powerband, get it?
 
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GTV0819
Lol, I know your beliefs. You classify this as turbo lag. Just because the car is unresponsive at low revs doesn't mean it has turbo lag. Take a look at the Escudo's DYNO graph. When fully tuned, the car pumps out 1000+HP @8000rpm and 930+ft/lbs of torque @6500rpm but it doesn't have these figures below 5000rpm. It's even lower than half of it's HP and torque, which explains why it still idles when you fully accelerate the car from a full stop. The only reason for that is because the Escudo has a very high boost threshold, given it's small 2.5L V6 turbo equipped engine that runs on a very high string. So this doesn't mean it has turbo lag. Others are even saying that it doesn't exist in GT5.
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You didn't answer my question. Does turbo lag show up on a dyno chart?

Also, they haven't proved it not existing in GT5. Honestly you do not know my beliefs at all. Not what i classify turbo lag as. So once again no you do not know my beliefs.

Honestly like I said before. If they want to provide false information, so be it. I am done with the subject. I've been done since whoever it was tried to cheat their point in by posting the CUT dyno chart.

Matter of fact. In GT5. I bet if someone took the Option Stream Z turbo and put it onto another car in the game I bet it would create turbo lag on that car. If it did, I would probably get some other dumb excuse to why they claim there isn't turbo lag in GT5.
 
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Lock2Lock
You didn't answer my question. Does turbo lag show up on a dyno chart?

Also, they haven't proved it not existing in GT5. Honestly you do not know my beliefs at all. Not what i classify turbo lag as. So once again no you do not know my beliefs.

Honestly like I said before. If they want to provide false information, so be it. I am done with the subject. I've been done since whoever it was tried to cheat their point in by posting the CUT dyno chart.

Matter of fact. In GT5. I bet if someone took the Option Stream Z turbo and put it onto another car in the game I bet it would create turbo lag on that car. If it did, I would probably get some other dumb excuse to why they claim there isn't turbo lag in GT5.
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Why do you kept on asking if turbo lag shows up in the DYNO chart/graph? Does it even need to show up there if it exists in some cars? I guess you just really don't know that the Escudo has a very high boost threshold, so that's why you keep saying that you are done with the subject. And I don't care if you say that I don't know your beliefs because I already know that you believe the Escudo has turbo lag, yet in actuality, it's just the peaky powerband that makes it rather useless at low revs.
 
GTV0819
Why do you kept on asking if turbo lag shows up in the DYNO chart/graph? Does it even need to show up there if it exists in some cars? I guess you just really don't know that the Escudo has a very high boost threshold, so that's why you keep saying that you are done with the subject. And I don't care if you say that I don't know your beliefs because I already know that you believe the Escudo has turbo lag, yet in actuality, it's just the peaky powerband that makes it rather useless at low revs.
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:lol: Hummm ok then. The Option Stream Z? Does it have a "peaky power curve" or turbo lag?

Anyway lets take this to a proper thread. Say this one since you get all of your facts from it anyway. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=268442

I am up for it I guess. Also the reason I kept mentioning the dyno chart/graph, because the same people you are getting your so called "facts" from are the same people who actually believe that turbo lag doesn't show up on a dyno chart/graph.
 
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